Banshee and Stebel installed on Sunday
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Moderatus Rana
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Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:09 am quote
Finally had a chance to get my Stebel and Banshee modulator installed. Took me about 5 hours on Sunday. I am pretty slow at this stuff so it could be much shorter for someone more competent. I also installed a 12 volt socket on a separate wire from the battery while I was there. Both protected by separate 20 amp fuses.

Here is the result



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Location of Stebel. I raised the right wheel to make sure I had clearance. Used a 1 1/8 inch u bolt and the plate from a 3 inch u bolt and drilled an extra hole. I also bent the plate slightly to move it a little more forward.

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In place and tightened. Also put a zip tie around the horn to make sure it doesn't move if the mounting bolt comes loose.

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Used a coat hanger to fish the wires through.

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Location of the Banshee modulator. East to get to if I want to change jumpers positions or the fuse blows.

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New relay for the 12 volt socket on right. Came off the horn wire for the Banshee.

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Wires coming up from the Banshee modulator. The orange one goes over to the Stebel. The blue one goes to the horn relay. The Yellow goes forward to the purple wire on the left side high beam bulb and the red is actually the ground as I ran out of black wi

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Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:37 am quote
thank you for sharing

i also need to install a 12v port on my dash
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Mon Apr 16, 2012 10:36 am quote
That's great! That's the first time I saw any pictures of just how anybody "snaked" the wires from the battery to the front.
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Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:04 pm quote
One of the hardest things was finding a good ground.
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Mon Apr 16, 2012 1:41 pm quote
awesome vid and pics
the sound&light show is totally worth it.
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Mon Apr 16, 2012 3:58 pm quote
Yep it should definitely attract attention.
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Mon Apr 16, 2012 5:00 pm quote
Here are some pics of the 12 volt socket and the gps mount.

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Only had a hard time seeing it when the sun was to my back.

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Mount held on by 2 stainless screws. Only time it vibrates is at idle. Cruising it is steady.

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Tue Apr 17, 2012 5:49 am quote
Sticky, can you actually read the GPS in the daylight with it mounted there??

Does want to bounce out of the bracket with the vibration?

How many miles do you have on the darkside tire now and what tire pressure have you found that you like? I ended up with 30 psi!
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Tue Apr 17, 2012 6:00 am quote
1. Yeah the only time I can't is when the sun is coming over my shoulder from behind.

2. The only time it is effected by vibration is at idle and I can still see it. Once I start moving it is very steady. Can't hear it though.

3. I guess a little over 200 miles. I actually forget at what mile I installed it. Seems to work best for me at 41 psi.
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:34 am quote
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Moderatus Rana
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:45 am quote
Good write up.

One thing I found though is to make sure that you mount the modulator so water does not pool on the jumpers if it rains. On the way home from the gathering this happened and until it dried out it would not pulse the sound or lights.
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 10:03 am quote
This looks well thought out...
Of course with the MP3, you sure have too, not much room for that horn.
Then all the wires, the relay, is another matter.

Just wanted to add to this thread another option.
Scooter West has a horn that is almost as loud, and requires no rewire.
It's input specs can use the same wiring as your stock horn.

On the GTS its a easy fit.
On the MP3 (My case the 250) you do have to mount it elsewhere.

I have heard both, and they are dam close in loudness.
The link is: http://www.scooterwest.com/items/?_pageCCS=t#page=/item_details/Horn-Steger-136-Decibel-136/1910

Scooter West needs to record it, and put the WAV file on there Website so you can here it, I was very impressed, and its not that expensive to get rid of the "Road Runner" sound.
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 11:15 am quote
It would interesting to measure the current draw of the stock horn and the Scooterwest non-air option. I would still put a relay on to extend the life of the horn switch contacts.
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:58 pm quote
Re: Banshee and Stebel installed on Sunday
stickyfrog wrote:
Finally had a chance to get my Stebel and Banshee modulator installed. Took me about 5 hours on Sunday. I am pretty slow at this stuff so it could be much shorter for someone more competent. I also installed a 12 volt socket on a separate wire from the battery while I was there. Both protected by separate 20 amp fuses.
So you just installed the Banshee control unit to modulate your Stebel horn (rather than buy the Banshee horn too)? Cool.

I did notice that Banshee also offers a split horn option where the compressor is separate from the trumpet/fins...might be useful on the MP3 where space is at a premium...
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:18 pm quote
Yeah I just bought the modulator. I may be wrong but I think the banshee horn is a rebranded stebil. Looks the same. And you can separate compressor from the horn on the stebil if needed. I didn't and so far I have had no problems on where it is mounted.
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:58 pm quote
Be careful when comparing the level of noise generated by "similar" horns. I have seen a lot of horns with a 136 db output. The problem is that vendors are not required to meet a common set of standards in their sales brochures.

136 db(A) @ 6 inches is not nearly as loud as 136 db(A) @36 inches and almost quiet compared to 136db(A) @10 ft. Yet they are all listed as producing 136 db of noise

For what it's worth, every increase in level of 3 db doubles the power required to produce and is generally considered the point at which human hearing will discern a noticeable change in loudness.
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Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:49 pm quote
The banshee horn shown when it was offered months ago was a re-tagged Stebel.
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Fri May 03, 2013 1:58 pm quote
So many ways to connect the Stebel horn.
I'm a wiring novice and trying to do the job solo.
I have a question...I'm using posi-tap connections so I will have old horn still in place and new horn on the right side like I've seen in numerous posts.
Here's my question ... I see two yellow wires with pink stripe coming out of the stock relay. I'm assuming one goes to horn button and one goes to the horn itself. Correct?
So I need to tap into the one going to the horn. Any suggestion on how to test which wire is which (aside from tracing one wire all the way to the switch?)
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Fri May 03, 2013 6:32 pm quote
Gilera Fuoco Master wrote:
So many ways to connect the Stebel horn.
I'm a wiring novice and trying to do the job solo.
I have a question...I'm using posi-tap connections so I will have old horn still in place and new horn on the right side like I've seen in numerous posts.
Here's my question ... I see two yellow wires with pink stripe coming out of the stock relay. I'm assuming one goes to horn button and one goes to the horn itself. Correct?
So I need to tap into the one going to the horn. Any suggestion on how to test which wire is which (aside from tracing one wire all the way to the switch?)
Disconnect one wire. Then try the horn. If it beeps, then take off the other wire and reconnect the first one you took off. Extend the remaining (disconnected) wire to your new relay.
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Fri May 03, 2013 7:33 pm quote
Gilera Fuoco Master wrote:
So many ways to connect the Stebel horn.
I'm a wiring novice and trying to do the job solo.
I have a question...I'm using posi-tap connections so I will have old horn still in place and new horn on the right side like I've seen in numerous posts.
Here's my question ... I see two yellow wires with pink stripe coming out of the stock relay. I'm assuming one goes to horn button and one goes to the horn itself. Correct?
So I need to tap into the one going to the horn. Any suggestion on how to test which wire is which (aside from tracing one wire all the way to the switch?)
Hey, how many times are you going to copy&paste the same post in different threads?

You already got an answer here...
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Sat May 04, 2013 12:54 pm quote
Just a rookie trying to get answers. I was not emailed this post reply. Why so angry?
Trying to do the job right is all.
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Sat May 04, 2013 5:08 pm quote
canopus has a point. looks like you posted the same text in 4 or 5 threads. no need for all of that and it does get annoying. but now worries. you are new so canopus and I are just pointing it out in a non angry constructive way. right canopus?

no worries.
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Sat May 04, 2013 5:54 pm quote
stickyfrog wrote:
canopus has a point. looks like you posted the same text in 4 or 5 threads. no need for all of that and it does get annoying. but now worries. you are new so canopus and I are just pointing it out in a non angry constructive way. right canopus?

no worries.
The funny thing here is that I am one of the interested in getting the most information possible on a new horn install, because I'm planning to add a banshee myself...

But having so many different threads asking for the same (and it's just a copy&paste) doesn't help. Now the people with answers don't know where to answer.

And you opened a new one: MP3 500 Stebel Horn Install--Questions from a novice



You need to have patience. There are a lot of people here with a huge knowledge about mp3, let's don't annoy them
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Sat May 04, 2013 6:09 pm quote
Yes having so many identical posts does make it confusing. I have deleted most of the duplicate posts in threads where it makes sense. Answer questions for Gilera Fuoco Master here. http://modernvespa.com/forum/post1610317 If you are so inclined.

Gilera Fuoco Master you see the effect your shotgun approach has had. Let's not do it again ok?
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Sat May 04, 2013 6:42 pm quote
stickyfrog wrote:
I have deleted most of the duplicate posts in threads where it makes sense.
Wow, I just noticed you are moderator here... is this recent or am I a total disaster and missed it all this time?

If the first, congrats and glad to have you around!
If the second, blame on me
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Sat May 04, 2013 7:30 pm quote
Thanks Sticky for cleaning it up but damm you deleted my post that answered all his questions.

This should fill in nicely

http://modernvespa.com/forum/post1604865?highlight=#1604865
Just sub another relay for the Banshee module.

If he has more questions he can PM me.
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Sat May 04, 2013 7:34 pm quote
14perry wrote:
Thanks Sticky for cleaning it up but damm you deleted my post that answered all his questions.


Sorry, couldn't resist
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Sat May 04, 2013 7:53 pm quote
canopus wrote:
14perry wrote:
Thanks Sticky for cleaning it up but damm you deleted my post that answered all his questions.


Sorry, couldn't resist
400 riders are sooo much nicer than 500 riders!
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Sat May 04, 2013 8:09 pm quote
Again, the funniest is that your info was great for me
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Sat May 04, 2013 8:13 pm quote
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Sat May 04, 2013 8:47 pm quote
I apologize for my rash posting. And I don't want to annoy any of the smart guys who help us lesser folk.

I suppose I should have waited to start project until I had all answers.

Once again, apologies.

On the bright side-- I think I only have about 2 more hours of install before horn is working. (Fingers crossed.)
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Mon May 06, 2013 6:21 am quote
canopus wrote:
stickyfrog wrote:
I have deleted most of the duplicate posts in threads where it makes sense.
Wow, I just noticed you are moderator here... is this recent or am I a total disaster and missed it all this time?

If the first, congrats and glad to have you around!
If the second, blame on me
Just about 10 days ago.

@14perry see above for the explanation of my mistake. Rookie mod.


@Gilera Fuoco Master No worries. Hope you get it working.
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