Modern Vespa

Hi all am new to site (joined in April)also first post. Have gotten allot of info. Off site thanks to you all. Just wanted to share how I mounted side cases in hopes of helping others that are interested in doing the same. Ordered the cheapest set of side case mounts I could find they are for a BMW F650GS (2000/2004) PL188-KL188
From Givi purchased off Ebay. Knowing I would be cutting them up anyway but to my surprise very little in fabricating had to be done. Here is a list of materials used.
2- 1" Two piece shaft collars drilled and tapped on one side to 1/4"-20
1-small piece of 1"X 1" x1/16" angle iron (only using two 1" pieces)
2- 10mm dia. X 5/8" long spacers drilled so 6mm bolt to pass thru.
1- piece of 1" X 1/8" flat iron (2' long)
2- 3/8-16 bolts 3/4" long, 2- 3/8" flat washers, 2- 3/8" acorn nuts & 2- 3/8" lock washers
2- 5/16-18 bolts 1/2" long, 2- 5/16" flat washers, 2- 5/16" nuts & 2- 5/16" lock washers
2- 1/4-20 bolts 1/2" long, 2- 1/4" flat washers, & 2- 1/4" lock washers
2- 6mmX 50mm bolts & 2- 6mm flat washers
Will reuse 2- 6mm bolts from body panel
Everything else came with side brackets.


side case mounts as they came





made brackets to fit cross bar to OME top case brackets

next found that long corner on mount crossed right over body panel bolt that is part of frame so removed bolt made a spacer , cut and flattened bracket, drilled hole and installed 6mmX50mm bolt with flat washer

next used 1" collar and angle iron to make top connection

used original body panel bolt at back of bracket to cross bar with spacer that came with side bracket .
just some of parts used note how drilled and tapped collar for angle iron attach point

how they look on scoot

how mounted to body panel

afew pictures after painting & installing both sides then adding GIVI E41 side cases

Fantastic job and pictures!

Thanks. Found site looking for side case mounts and have gained so much information thanks to everyone else for posting there ideas, problems and solutions !

Nice job and pictorial! Many will take advantage of this, I am sure.

STUPENDOUS first post. Please give a little more explanation of the spacers; did you drill out the existig hole in the tupperware and the spacer fits through, or is the body panel being squeezed between the nut underneath and the spacer on top of it?

I bet you could fit one or a pair of Rotopax gas cans in there and still have plenty of room to boot. Great job!

That looks good. It's a much snugger fit to the sides than I've seen on previous attempts. Those side cases are HUGE!

I'd love to hear some longer term reports on how it holds up.

Yes body panel is being squeezed between spacer and nut just like original
bolt was doing made spacer same diam. as bolt head. will give updated report later as just started riding with them on monday.

I am envious. Really phenomenal work. Inspiring, really. If I freed up the funds, I could see doing this as well. Thank you, from a less talented modder!

Nice, very, very nice! Well done effort and pictorial! How is the ride with the extra wind resistance now?

Love how the supports are vertical and parallel. Very clean and tucked in as much as you can go.

Nice work, Minimag123, thanks for sharing.

Where did you source that 1" collar, and how is the bracket bolted to it? Does the collar have some kind of tab on it?

I agree with Jeff. Great first post and very nice job on the install and the write up. Will come in handy if you come down to the gathering in September.

Really a nice job. If you ever want to make this a kit to sell, you should have no problems having a few buyers here.

Cheers,
Tross

It would be great if there was a setup like that for the 400/250's. Has anyone seen one or done that?

Do they interfere with putting bike on the stand?

1. As far as wind resistance I haven't noticed them at all. Will see what effect they have on gas milage?
2. The 1" collars are availible from Fastenal, Grainger ,Mcmaster carr & Enco.
3. I drilled and tapped collars to 1/4-20. Used small piece of 1' X 1" angle iron drilled on one side for 1/4" bolt and other side 5/16" bolt then anle iron goes from collar to bracket.
4. It is alittle more difficult to put scoot on stand but mainly because top bracket connection is where I would normally grab side rails to do it.
Also boxes can be taken off or reinstalled very easily. After testing I will only use them when running around with wife on weekends or traveling.

A better view of collar to bracket connection

I like your work, as it looks factory. One side note I haven't seen brought up is, this looks like it would do pretty well in a slow/no speed tip over to help protect the tupperware.

I wish there was more protection available for the scooter in the event that gravity takes over, and perhaps an exoskeleton of tubing and spacers may be feasible afterall.

Congrats on such a remarkable entry into the group. I only had jokes..

Steve

Recommend replacing that nut with a nylock nut.

thanks for posting this MOD, look forward to how it holds up after a few months of hard riding.

And gas mileage you had before and after the cases were added.

FM

Wasn't enough room for nylock nut so used locktite to keep it tight but thanks for suggestion.

There is enough room if you put the bolt up from the bottom and have the nylock on top. You can cap it off with an acorn nut for a smooth finish. Great job either way.

mjm50cal.you are 100% right. had not thought about putting bolt up through. I may do that wife would like cup holders on both side about that location. Im working on pillion foot rest now like you made for yours thanks alot.

Last edited by Minimag123 on Fri, 08 Jun 2012 03:05:14 +0000; edited 2 times

Do they interfere with putting down the stand??

It is alittle more difficult to put scoot on stand but mainly because top bracket connection is where I would normally grab side rails to do it.
Also boxes can be taken off or reinstalled very easily. After testing I will only use them when running around with wife on weekends or traveling.

I instaled Firstgear Silver stream? bags to my 500 and I have to use put mine up pullingfro the rear!!

My small cases will drop about 5 mpg, but low speeds I cannot vouche for. Would guess below 40 mph they are not as bad ? Gratz on the nice mod !

Can you take a trip up to 100 miles with them on riding highways and see what your gas mileage is?

thx

Very well done. Though I whiteline enough here in CA that side
cases like yours would put a end to that. I don't know if that's legal in PA.
Keep up the good work.

Will be taking a trip in July and I'll Pm you with results.

First full tank of gas with side cases. A mix of driving back and forth to work, two up riding with wife with a mix of in town & highway. Speeds ranging between 25-60mph but vast majority between 45-55mph. Before cases was getting between 52-55mpg most being close to 55mpg. with cases I got 53mpg I know you cant tell from first tank but looking promising! Just finished second tank 6-9-2012 same driving conditions but all of tank two up riding with wife 53.3mpg.
6-11-2012 finished third tank with about 2/3rds of tank in 55-70 mph range all two up riding at 56mpg. so far not noticing any drawback to cases at all.6-17-2012 Final tank of fuel for testing 54.8 mpg will now only use cases when with wife or traveling.

Over half a year now. How are those mounts working?

nice job, The side bag mounts look great.

how did I miss this when it first got posted ?

Minimag123 kinda slid in here, had his say, and hasn't been heard from since last August. I thought this was quite an addition to MP3 styling and mods.

Here is the PL 188 mount. Not sure what the KL 188 is. Givi shows nothing with KL prefix.


http://www.giviusa.com/attachfile/content/prodotti_regionali_usa_com/20924/0.0.1.man_pl188.pdf

Shaft collars

http://www.partsreplacementstore.com/product/Double_Split_Shaft_Collars?MTAG=280408&gclid=CObVlrCt47QCFeGDQgodyH0Axg

I still visit now and then sorry I havent posted for some. After half a years riding they have been by far the best mod. I have done to scoot wife loves them. they havent had any real effect on my gas milage but i dont do much highway riding. You can carry quite a load with them. I have done more mods to scoot borrowing a few ideas from the sight right now just looking for any chance to ride during winter months.

Nice Job!

I wonder if these marine grade pipe clamps might work well for a job like this? And look very nice in polished stainless steel too!

25mm Sliding Clamp Over with Fork
To take End with Eye except the HD
Made to clamp around without the need to slide-on.
Polished 316 Stainless Tube Fitting

(Reference #4697810)

https://www.seascrew.com/browse.cfm?25MM-STAINLESS-TUBE-FITTINGS--MARINE-GRADE&l=0000000175

so is this all there is of the saddlebag bracket mounts?

I got some nice large saddlebags, which I need to fabricate some brackets. But some of these links have died.

How did that gas mileage work over time with the saddlebags?

FM

Me too !!!
What a great project and Awesome pictures WITHOUT "Photobucket" watermarks !!!