Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:26 pm

Molto Verboso
Black 2007 PX200, Dark green 1986 PX225 Pinasco, "1972"(yeah rite) Tangerine px200, several TRIUMPH TIGRESS SCOOTERS
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Molto Verboso
Black 2007 PX200, Dark green 1986 PX225 Pinasco, "1972"(yeah rite) Tangerine px200, several TRIUMPH TIGRESS SCOOTERS
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Mon Jan 27, 2014 10:26 pm linkquote
Hi guys,

my friend is considering putting a px200 engine into his 150 frame and thats all well and good... except i was talking to some guys at a bike show and they said he needs to reinforce the main tube and area around the headset to stop it from flexing.

Is this true?
... and whos actually put one into an older bike?

(i have tried the search function but didnt get anything substantial)

Thanks heaps
Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:22 am

Ossessionato
a lambretta or two
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Location: San Francisco
 
Ossessionato
a lambretta or two
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Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:22 am linkquote
That's the goofiest shit I've ever heard. P200 engines have gone into those frames a thousand times.
Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:37 am

nothing at all
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nothing at all
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Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:37 am linkquote
Re: px200 engine into a 150 super VBC frame advice for a mat
TrumpyScooter wrote:
... except i was talking to some guys at a bike show and they said
Typical....folks that don't know scoots projecting their thoughts on scoots.

Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.........
Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:41 am

Banned
62vnb , 71 sprint ,1974 vespa90
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Banned
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Tue Jan 28, 2014 8:41 am linkquote
No ! It's the same as putting in a good kit when it comes torque . It would be great for a racer if your kitting the hell out of the 200 , but no need for stock . He would be better off selling his P motor and getting a mallossi 166 for his super , keeping the resale value .
Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:15 am

Molto Verboso
Black 2007 PX200, Dark green 1986 PX225 Pinasco, "1972"(yeah rite) Tangerine px200, several TRIUMPH TIGRESS SCOOTERS
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Molto Verboso
Black 2007 PX200, Dark green 1986 PX225 Pinasco, "1972"(yeah rite) Tangerine px200, several TRIUMPH TIGRESS SCOOTERS
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Tue Jan 28, 2014 10:15 am linkquote
px200 engine into a 150 super VBC frame advice for a mate
Thankyou for your thoughts
Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:53 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
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Location: Victoria, Australia
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
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Tue Jan 28, 2014 11:53 pm linkquote
Yeah I've done it. No problems at all... except then you need some real brakes... the front brake drum on a Super simply keeps the rain off the brake shoes.
Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:28 am

Evil
p2, jet2, lml166
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Evil
p2, jet2, lml166
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Wed Jan 29, 2014 8:28 am linkquote
some guys are all about putting a brace between the main channel just below the headset and the frame arch, it seems to be mainly a uk/nz thing though, i dont think ive ever seen a state-side bike do it.

its supposed to be a popular idea in the cutdown community, the implication is that after removing all the extra metal, you need extra support - which is sort of a silly idea even then.
Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:16 pm

Ossessionato
2 matching N.Z. '69 VBC Super, 177cc Racer, VespaCross Bodge, Puch SRA150, Piaggio Zip 100! & others
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Wed Jan 29, 2014 11:16 pm linkquote
I found th starter motor hits th frame on BIG BUMPS, but nothing a BIG HAMMER could not fix
Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:38 am

Molto Verboso
Black 2007 PX200, Dark green 1986 PX225 Pinasco, "1972"(yeah rite) Tangerine px200, several TRIUMPH TIGRESS SCOOTERS
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Molto Verboso
Black 2007 PX200, Dark green 1986 PX225 Pinasco, "1972"(yeah rite) Tangerine px200, several TRIUMPH TIGRESS SCOOTERS
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Thu Jan 30, 2014 12:38 am linkquote
SubEtherBASS wrote:
I found th starter motor hits th frame on BIG BUMPS, but nothing a BIG HAMMER could not fix
Or we'll just rip that little bad boy off and he can kick at it.

Keep em coming team, i require all practicle thoughts on this kind of transfusion, the more experienced are offering up some good stuff.

Im not really interested in whether it should be kept stock though, talk about that in the general discussions area cos this job is going through regardless.
Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:01 am

Veni, Vidi, Posti
px200 cutdown,px180,px150. Puch SR. Puch scooterette
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Veni, Vidi, Posti
px200 cutdown,px180,px150. Puch SR. Puch scooterette
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Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:01 am linkquote
<snigger>
Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:41 am

Addicted
Vespa PX200
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Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:41 am linkquote
Why would you even enquire of "some guys at a bike show" about such a thing.

The Vespa is hardly a precision handling single track vehicle at its best. Lots of fun sure, but a scalpel it aint and never will be no matter how many Clauss bushings, Bitubo shocks, race tyres and frame reinforcements you throw at it.
Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:29 am

Molto Verboso
Black 2007 PX200, Dark green 1986 PX225 Pinasco, "1972"(yeah rite) Tangerine px200, several TRIUMPH TIGRESS SCOOTERS
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Molto Verboso
Black 2007 PX200, Dark green 1986 PX225 Pinasco, "1972"(yeah rite) Tangerine px200, several TRIUMPH TIGRESS SCOOTERS
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Location: New Zealand
Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:29 am linkquote
Advice
TCC wrote:
Why would you even enquire of "some guys at a bike show" about such a thing.
Same reason youd ask randoms off the internet.


It was a classic bike show.
The classic anything scene here is small, theres generally overlap in places, with many bikers cutting their teeth on scooters.

There was a stand with about 1/2 a dozen vespas and lambrettas showing. I was talking scoots and paint work with the guys who are interested in having some custom work done and one of them had an angle on my mates conversion after i mentioned him having the same scooter.

Sweet
Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:10 pm

Addicted
Vespa PX200
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Addicted
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Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:10 pm linkquote
Fairynuff
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Tue May 20, 2014 4:12 am

Molto Verboso
One or two fun scoots....nothing too precious
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Molto Verboso
One or two fun scoots....nothing too precious
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Posts: 1841
Location: UK (South East)
Tue May 20, 2014 4:12 am linkquote
@Trumpy Please let me know what you and your mate decide to do. My next project is a Cafe Racer using my 1976 150 Super as the base. I thought about leaving it as is, or restoring it as stock in it's original colour, but Supers are not rare enough for me to bother about patina and 100% originality. Besides, I would not be cutting the frame anywhere so it could be returned to stock in years to come. Likewise, the 8" wheels could go straight back on.

The choices for the engine are:

1. original engine + Parmakit or Quattrini 177/187. It's the later Super casing with three ports and is immaculate. Not sure the thinner input shaft and weaker gearbox would be suitable.

2. PX150 engine (EFL gearbox etc.) + a kit as per above

3. PX200 engine + some fettling TBD

Cheers.
Tue May 20, 2014 10:16 pm

Molto Verboso
Black 2007 PX200, Dark green 1986 PX225 Pinasco, "1972"(yeah rite) Tangerine px200, several TRIUMPH TIGRESS SCOOTERS
Joined: 16 Jul 2010
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Location: New Zealand
 
Molto Verboso
Black 2007 PX200, Dark green 1986 PX225 Pinasco, "1972"(yeah rite) Tangerine px200, several TRIUMPH TIGRESS SCOOTERS
Joined: 16 Jul 2010
Posts: 1082
Location: New Zealand
Tue May 20, 2014 10:16 pm linkquote
Hi dude. That sounds like a fun project, but dont get too wrapped up in keeping it stock, get a disc cutter to her and rip into it.

Na, just take your time and plan your build out so you dont have to do the big jobs twice. There'll be lots of ideas and opinions from the forum im sure.

For him it was down to money and ease really. He's a mechanic and for this project wanted quick results and was happy to get an engine that didnt require any work.

For cheaper than a 177 cylinder kit, I found my mate a Stella 150 motor with 200 k's on the clock. So that was a no brainer straight swap.
Im pretty sure he just put 10" wheels on it for the ease. It looks like what you think its going to look like. A killer paint job and slightly too larger wheels, but he dont care. And it rides well. You have to muck around with wiring but the loom came with the engine in this case, and he made a go of it. Its all doable.

1/2 decent running 150 engines are everywhere, new parts are so cheap and available, and on small wheels that's plenty of power. It also means you can either save your old motor and fettle away with it or sell it, and overall the whole thing can cost you less.
PX200 motors aren't cheap or necessarily available in decent condition, so something to bear in mind if looking at lump in a box. it does cost a bit more to rebuild than a Stella 150 motor too.

Just do whatever you feel like spending time and money on, the wheel size is a limiting factor.
With whatever choice you make, there is leeway. you can always sell the engine on if you're not happy with your choice and go from there.
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