Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:48 am

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Sat Oct 28, 2017 7:48 am linkquote
will a M22 washer work. 23mm inter d x 39mm od x 3mm thick. found it at fastenal.com
    Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:12 am

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    Sat Oct 28, 2017 8:12 am linkquote
    Re: fuzzy washer size
    Once a Wing wrote:
    will a M22 washer work. 23mm inter d x 39mm od x 3mm thick. found it at fastenal.com
      Fuzzy washer optimal dimensions are an outside diameter of 36mm and an inside diameter of 22.05mm. Member BubbaJon may still have some for sale.
      Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:07 am

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      Sat Oct 28, 2017 9:07 am linkquote
      3mm thickness is WAY too thick.
      Normally for this application an additional ~1mm is sufficient.
      Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:17 pm

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      Sat Oct 28, 2017 12:17 pm linkquote
      was going to remove the 2mm washer and replace with a 3mm for a total of 3mm
      Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:34 pm

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      Sat Oct 28, 2017 2:34 pm linkquote
      Once a Wing wrote:
      was going to remove the 2mm washer and replace with a 3mm for a total of 3mm
      That will work as long as it's actually 3mm. Make sure the washer is centered if the inner diameter is larger.
      Otherwise PM me - the original Fuzzy Washer is a machined part - not stamped as is a regular washer. I have a very few left.
      Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:10 am

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      Sun Oct 29, 2017 9:10 am linkquote
      fuzzy washer size
      I would love to have one of your fuzzy washers. sent a pm
      Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:01 am

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      Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:01 am linkquote
      Bubbajon, will a 37mm OD Washer still fit?
      Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:15 am

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      Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:15 am linkquote
      Hate ask a dumb question here and I will say I only happened on this somewhat by mistake on ModernVespa.

      What is a fuzzy washer? I spent 40+ years working as a heavy equipment on all kinds of different machines and never came across that term.
      Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:30 am

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      Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:30 am linkquote
      kshansen wrote:
      Hate ask a dumb question here and I will say I only happened on this somewhat by mistake on ModernVespa.

      What is a fuzzy washer? I spent 40+ years working as a heavy equipment on all kinds of different machines and never came across that term.
      this will help...http://modernvespa.com/forum/topic104015
      Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:14 pm

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      Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:14 pm linkquote
      roy.santiago wrote:
      kshansen wrote:
      Hate ask a dumb question here and I will say I only happened on this somewhat by mistake on ModernVespa.

      What is a fuzzy washer? I spent 40+ years working as a heavy equipment on all kinds of different machines and never came across that term.
      this will help...http://modernvespa.com/forum/topic104015
      OKAY! Now I think I know what washer is being talked about but not sure the reason for the terminology!
      Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:50 pm

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      Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:50 pm linkquote
      kshansen wrote:
      OKAY! Now I think I know what washer is being talked about but not sure the reason for the terminology!
      The user name of the MV member who developed the use of this washer was 'Fuzzy'. Thus the name 'Fuzzy Washer'! They tend to name things around here after the user who discovered the process (or part in this case).
      Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:59 pm

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      Mon Oct 30, 2017 4:59 pm linkquote
      FrogmanDave wrote:
      kshansen wrote:
      OKAY! Now I think I know what washer is being talked about but not sure the reason for the terminology!
      The user name of the MV member who developed the use of this washer was 'Fuzzy'. Thus the name 'Fuzzy Washer'! They tend to name things around here after the user who discovered the process (or part in this case).
      Not entirely accurate. Several of us were discussing a new French racing variator. Analysis revealed a different profile but also that it was wider apart by 1mm. So this started speculation on whether if you doubled the original washer if it would do the same thing. Fuzzy volunteered to find out on his 400. It did work to a point but also brought a few other issues like belt rubbing and such. We opined the French engineers must have settled on that 1mm extra for good reason. I had a buddy in a machine shop so we all chipped in and had the first batch of Fuzzy Washers machined. They were named after Fuzzy because he had the balls to risk his scooter for science.
      The few Fuzzy Washers I have remaining are from batch #3 which I paid for. I won't be ordering any more because they now have a minimum order amount and a setup fee.
      Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:38 pm

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      Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:38 pm linkquote
      BubbaJon wrote:
      Several of us were discussing a new French racing variator.
      Was that FR4 or maybe they are Italian?
      BubbaJon wrote:
      Make sure the washer is centered if the inner diameter is larger.
      Yo can fettle the washer a bit by using a ceramic tile of a piece of glass as backing and some super fine emery paper to ensure the washer is constant thickness.

      Hat off to Fuzzy for being inquisitive, and following his curiosity. Too many simply follow the crowd.
      Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:37 am

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      Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:37 am linkquote
      BubbaJon wrote:
      FrogmanDave wrote:
      kshansen wrote:
      OKAY! Now I think I know what washer is being talked about but not sure the reason for the terminology!
      The user name of the MV member who developed the use of this washer was 'Fuzzy'. Thus the name 'Fuzzy Washer'! They tend to name things around here after the user who discovered the process (or part in this case).
      Not entirely accurate. Several of us were discussing a new French racing variator. Analysis revealed a different profile but also that it was wider apart by 1mm. So this started speculation on whether if you doubled the original washer if it would do the same thing. Fuzzy volunteered to find out on his 400. It did work to a point but also brought a few other issues like belt rubbing and such. We opined the French engineers must have settled on that 1mm extra for good reason. I had a buddy in a machine shop so we all chipped in and had the first batch of Fuzzy Washers machined. They were named after Fuzzy because he had the balls to risk his scooter for science.
      The few Fuzzy Washers I have remaining are from batch #3 which I paid for. I won't be ordering any more because they now have a minimum order amount and a setup fee.
      Thanks for humoring me on this question! I was trying to understand what was "fuzzy" about a washer, now it all makes sense!
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      Tue Apr 26, 2022 4:37 pm

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      Tue Apr 26, 2022 4:37 pm linkquote
      BubbaJon wrote:
      Not entirely accurate. Several of us were discussing a new French racing variator. Analysis revealed a different profile but also that it was wider apart by 1mm. So this started speculation on whether if you doubled the original washer if it would do the same thing. Fuzzy volunteered to find out on his 400. It did work to a point but also brought a few other issues like belt rubbing and such. We opined the French engineers must have settled on that 1mm extra for good reason. I had a buddy in a machine shop so we all chipped in and had the first batch of Fuzzy Washers machined. They were named after Fuzzy because he had the balls to risk his scooter for science.
      The few Fuzzy Washers I have remaining are from batch #3 which I paid for. I won't be ordering any more because they now have a minimum order amount and a setup fee.
      BubbaJon, I just tried to send you a PM but, do you have anymore "fuzzy washers"?
      Please reach out to me through PM if it works for you.
      Thnx,BW
      Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:36 am

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      Thu Apr 28, 2022 3:36 am linkquote
      I just used a shim bought on eBay, works fine.
      22mm Id important, od should be similar and 1mm thickness is perfect, gives just the right revs.



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