Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:55 pm

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'64 V90 survivor, '75 V90 graffiti girl SOLD, '77 P200
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:55 pm linkquote
Turning 75 in April so decided to do one more smallframe project.
Found a solid complete frame in St Louis at a great price an that started it all.
Over the last 6 months I had Gickspeed build the motor. That took on a life of its own. New SIP. rotary intake cases. All new everything. Gears, bearings clutch. Pinasco crank, Zuera 145 top end and flytech. 24 carb and ceramic coated PM Tuning Evolution pipe.
After the little bodywork issues are sorted will have a local graffiti/street artist paint it.
It will ultimately go to my younger son along with the 64 so any value for money considerations don't really come into consideration.
This is one time when being old works to my advantage.
I'll do occasional updates as it progresses.
Here are some pics to begin with.

























Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:00 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
'15 GTS300, '86 PX125EFL, '66 VBB, '04 Ninja 250
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Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:00 pm linkquote
Those cases are dead sexy
Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:16 pm

bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x2), 74 Primavera (x2), 79 P200, 06 Fly 150
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bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x2), 74 Primavera (x2), 79 P200, 06 Fly 150
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:16 pm linkquote
I see speed.
Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:20 pm

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VNB VSC VBC VSX*2
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:20 pm linkquote
Holy crap.... that Piston! Helluva build. Bet that will go like a scalded cat!
Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:27 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
'80 P200E, '76 Primavera 125 ET3. '59 Vespa 150
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Veni, Vidi, Posti
'80 P200E, '76 Primavera 125 ET3. '59 Vespa 150
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:27 pm linkquote
Nice lump!
Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:51 pm

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Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:51 pm linkquote
I hope you updated the brakes as well.
Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:36 pm

Ossessionato
79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
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Location: Florence, OR
 
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79 P200E (Ruby), 62 Allstate (B-62), 2008 Stella (Olive)
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:36 pm linkquote
Tierney wrote:
I hope you updated the brakes as well.
Words of wisdom....

I was talking with my nephew the other day, and he says to me "everyone wants to hotrod their engines....me, I beef up the brakes".

Looks great Ex! Thanks for posting!
Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:54 am

Addicted
Too Many piles of Junk that need too much work and too much money
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:54 am linkquote
very cool project. Drooling over that motor and anxious to see your custom street art paint job.
Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:48 am

Hooked
'63 VBB2T - '76 Sprint V. - '86 PX200E (SOLD) - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Location: Belgium
 
Hooked
'63 VBB2T - '76 Sprint V. - '86 PX200E (SOLD) - '18 300 GTS Super Notte
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Location: Belgium
Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:48 am linkquote
That motor looks stunning! I am following this thread!
Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:01 pm

Hooked
GTS 300
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Location: lewisville , nc. 27023
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:01 pm linkquote
Looks like a fun time and a sweet build.
I plan to follow along and learn all I can, and then maybe jump in with both feet and do a build myself.
Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:36 pm

Ossessionato
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:36 pm linkquote
qascooter wrote:
Tierney wrote:
I hope you updated the brakes as well.
Words of wisdom....

I was talking with my nephew the other day, and he says to me "everyone wants to hotrod their engines....me, I beef up the brakes".
x2!!!
Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:39 pm

Ossessionato
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:39 pm linkquote
Wow, that engine is so clean and tidy! Form and function all in one lump!
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Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:27 am

Hooked
'64 V90 survivor, '75 V90 graffiti girl SOLD, '77 P200
Joined: 30 May 2018
Posts: 298
Location: Madison WI
 
Hooked
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Posts: 298
Location: Madison WI
Thu Mar 19, 2020 8:27 am linkquote
Decided on a base color for the graffiti. Gallio Cromo 933. Only having graffiti on fender, front of leggy and rear section. Chassis is down at Gickspeed having the holes welded up some body work and a clean title. Will have it shot with color when it comes back.


Just an example of color


Like this (drawn with finger)



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Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:12 am

Veni, Vidi, Posti
'15 GTS300, '86 PX125EFL, '66 VBB, '04 Ninja 250
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Veni, Vidi, Posti
'15 GTS300, '86 PX125EFL, '66 VBB, '04 Ninja 250
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Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:12 am linkquote
sweet color
Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:18 am

Enthusiast
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Location: NY
 
Enthusiast
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Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:18 am linkquote
Looking forward to following this thread!
Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:44 am

Molto Verboso
Vespa
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Posts: 1376
Location: California
 
Molto Verboso
Vespa
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Location: California
Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:44 am linkquote
Nice base color never seen it.
Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:00 pm

Hooked
GTS 300, Malaguti 150
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Posts: 287
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
 
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Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:00 pm linkquote
that pea soup color is unique
Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:49 am

Hooked
'64 V90 survivor, '75 V90 graffiti girl SOLD, '77 P200
Joined: 30 May 2018
Posts: 298
Location: Madison WI
 
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Location: Madison WI
Wed Apr 15, 2020 4:49 am linkquote
Found just the right seat for her. From SIP it's a really nice product at an outstanding price. Set it on the 64 to check fit. Particularly like that it doesn't overhang the rear and sits high enough to show all of the chassis detail.
https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/sport+seat+cora+mkii+for+vespa+_75905400



Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:53 am

Molto Verboso
Vespa
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Posts: 1376
Location: California
 
Molto Verboso
Vespa
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Location: California
Wed Apr 15, 2020 6:53 am linkquote
seat looks amazing
Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:27 am

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Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:27 am linkquote
I just noticed that the SIP cases still have the oil galley that goes to the fly side crank bearing in the same location as all the pre-PK engines. I wonder how the oiling efficiency compairs to the PK oil galley?
Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:43 am

Hooked
'64 V90 survivor, '75 V90 graffiti girl SOLD, '77 P200
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Posts: 298
Location: Madison WI
 
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Posts: 298
Location: Madison WI
Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:43 am linkquote
whodatschrome
I left all of the component matching to Jonathan at Gickspeed since I just know enough about these motors to be dangerous. Over the years that I was working as an account manager in the tech world I realized that I only needed to know that a solution would work and that there were people on the team with in-depth knowledge of how it worked. That has become a life long approach. Bottom line is I only take on the things I know are within my capabilities.
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Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:28 pm

Hooked
'64 V90 survivor, '75 V90 graffiti girl SOLD, '77 P200
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Location: Madison WI
 
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Location: Madison WI
Wed Jul 22, 2020 1:28 pm linkquote
Back from media blasting. All holes being welded up. No badging, using early style taillight with painted housing. Then off to panel beater and for paint.
Front end back together. Crazy Monkey anti dive. SIP shock. Just waiting on Newfren brake shoes.













Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:22 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
a not so normal vbb2 '64, a weirdo vbx '86, a not so normal pts100 '82 and a red lipstick '74 sprint
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Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Wed Jul 22, 2020 4:22 pm linkquote
Looks nice with the hole filled, whats the final plan for paint colour? And yes antidive is a must as when we drive a smallie even a twitch touch to front brake lever and the front get dive like a submarine even with a standar brake shoes.. Thats or a stiffer spring

Good luck with the paint and cheer
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:52 pm

Molto Verboso
bare metal cafe racer
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Location: Aotearoa (New Zealand)
 
Molto Verboso
bare metal cafe racer
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Location: Aotearoa (New Zealand)
Wed Jul 22, 2020 6:52 pm linkquote
This is one sexy build. Nice unique style. Can't wait to see this graffiti paint job.
Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:49 am

Hooked
'64 V90 survivor, '75 V90 graffiti girl SOLD, '77 P200
Joined: 30 May 2018
Posts: 298
Location: Madison WI
 
Hooked
'64 V90 survivor, '75 V90 graffiti girl SOLD, '77 P200
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Posts: 298
Location: Madison WI
Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:49 am linkquote
Having serious second thoughts on graffiti paint. Chassis is going out to Gickspeed's paint and body man. Here is an example of his work on a Rally 180.
Hadn't initially planned on this level of finish. There will be some old school hand lettered signage on the left side door.


Can’t paint over this kind of work.
Can’t wait to see my chassis in Gaillo Cromo 933

Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:00 am

Style Maven
'74 50s x3 '78 P200 E '84 Cosa '91 PK50XL2 '58 AllState '68 Sprint '80 50special and a '66(?) Super125
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Location: seattle/athens
 
Style Maven
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:00 am linkquote
Nice paint there!

I can see why you woudn't want to ruin it. But please get a little adventurous with that old school hand lettered signage and make it really your own. Left side door only? .

And this Gaillo Cromo 933, got a scooter pic or something you could share for a little preview?
Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:08 pm

Hooked
'64 V90 survivor, '75 V90 graffiti girl SOLD, '77 P200
Joined: 30 May 2018
Posts: 298
Location: Madison WI
 
Hooked
'64 V90 survivor, '75 V90 graffiti girl SOLD, '77 P200
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Posts: 298
Location: Madison WI
Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:08 pm linkquote
V oodoo
Here is the color. Somewhere between pea soup and chartreuse.




Chartreuse


Pea soup



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Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:37 pm

Molto Verboso
bare metal cafe racer
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Posts: 1355
Location: Aotearoa (New Zealand)
 
Molto Verboso
bare metal cafe racer
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Location: Aotearoa (New Zealand)
Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:37 pm linkquote
Could you not use decals for the graffiti? Then if you change your mind the paint will still be sweet underneath.
Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:27 am

Style Maven
'74 50s x3 '78 P200 E '84 Cosa '91 PK50XL2 '58 AllState '68 Sprint '80 50special and a '66(?) Super125
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Style Maven
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Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:27 am linkquote
Here's another option. When I wanted to add a bit of flair to my exPrimavera, I decided try flat black on the bottom portion of both doors. I picked up another engine side door from ScootNet and had at it to see how it would look. I liked it fine at the time, but would probably just stay stock today given the good original paint. So on the rare battery side door I applied a couple of coats of good paste wax, masked well and sprayed the flat black over the wax. Seems to work well and you can see here a small area where the black was scraped off.

Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:14 pm

Ossessionato
1963 VBB2T
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Ossessionato
1963 VBB2T
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Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:14 pm linkquote
Exmayor your scoot is going to be so cool, I have a GickSpeed motor as well he did up for me back in 2012, I'm getting close to running it for the first time. Does that huge flat piston change the compression ratio at all?
Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:09 pm

Hooked
'64 V90 survivor, '75 V90 graffiti girl SOLD, '77 P200
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Location: Madison WI
 
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Location: Madison WI
Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:09 pm linkquote
Lynnb

I'll have to check with Jonathan to see what the compression ratio is. I do know that when I had both motors in the engine stands it took about twice the effort to push the 145 thru by hand as it does to do the same on the just broken in 100Sport motor in the '64


100Sport


Zuera 145

Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:33 pm

Ossessionato
1963 VBB2T
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Ossessionato
1963 VBB2T
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Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:33 pm linkquote
Wholy crap Jonathan's built a monster.
Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:45 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
Posts: 8110
Location: Victoria, Australia
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
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Posts: 8110
Location: Victoria, Australia
Sat Jul 25, 2020 4:45 pm linkquote
exmayor wrote:
Lynnb

I'll have to check with Jonathan to see what the compression ratio is. I do know that when I had both motors in the engine stands it took about twice the effort to push the 145 thru by hand as it does to do the same on the just broken in 100Sport motor in the '64
Exmayor - great project! I'd be very interested to know what jetting you have in the PHBH? I have a Zuera 144 that has not been run yet except for about 20 seconds when it was first built.
Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:11 pm

Hooked
'64 V90 survivor, '75 V90 graffiti girl SOLD, '77 P200
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Posts: 298
Location: Madison WI
 
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Location: Madison WI
Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:11 pm linkquote
Ginch

My PHBL24 is jetted as follows
1. Boiler (jet drum). 40
2. Needle D22 clip in center
3. Main. 100
4. Needle jet. AQ265
5. Idle jet. 64
6. Choke jet. 60
Air correction screw out 2 turns.
My motor is rotary intake not reed valve
Exhaust is PMTuning Evolution
The jetting is what Gickspeed received from his Pinasco rep. Ran perfectly on test stand.
I may not have it in the chassis until over winter here is Wisconsin.
Have had a couple of medical setbacks that have kept me from riding and need to do the last few things to get the 64 back on the road.
Hope this helps.




Cable choke conversion


Throttle cable with lead end shorten do fit into choke piston. Double crimped electrical connector to fit over choke pull. This one is on the 64 with 100Sport motor and Polini CP19 carb

Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:27 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
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Posts: 8110
Location: Victoria, Australia
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and new to 2018, '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
Joined: 30 Nov 2011
Posts: 8110
Location: Victoria, Australia
Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:27 pm linkquote
exmayor wrote:
Ginch

My PHBL24 is jetted as follows...
Cheers! I'll give it a try. Mine is a 28, might be too big but we'll see when it gets actually on the road.
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Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:55 am

Hooked
'64 V90 survivor, '75 V90 graffiti girl SOLD, '77 P200
Joined: 30 May 2018
Posts: 298
Location: Madison WI
 
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Posts: 298
Location: Madison WI
Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:55 am linkquote
Front end now all together.
Blasted and painted
All new spindle, bearings, SIP shock with Clauss Studio urathane top bush modified to fit, new drum, Newfren shoes, crazy monkey anti dive and tapered roller steering bearings.


Before









Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:00 am

Ossessionato
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Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:00 am linkquote
That fork looks VERY nice! I like the tapered bearing too!
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:27 am

bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x2), 74 Primavera (x2), 79 P200, 06 Fly 150
Joined: 26 Sep 2013
Posts: 6219
Location: So Cal
 
bodgemaster
63 GL, 76 Super (x2), 74 Primavera (x2), 79 P200, 06 Fly 150
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Location: So Cal
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:27 am linkquote
Beautiful, should be a sweet ride.
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:32 am

Hooked
'64 V90 survivor, '75 V90 graffiti girl SOLD, '77 P200
Joined: 30 May 2018
Posts: 298
Location: Madison WI
 
Hooked
'64 V90 survivor, '75 V90 graffiti girl SOLD, '77 P200
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Posts: 298
Location: Madison WI
Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:32 am linkquote
whodatschrome

They are beyond being reasonably prices but I started using tapered bearings 25 years ago when I rebuilt the '66 Triumph 500. Changed them out on my Monster and used them in the little Honda 100. Those all came from all balls and were relatively reasonable.
Have a set installed on the '64 V90 and they are glass smooth.
Since this build has stretched over time and will go thru winter, costs are now being totally ignored. It will go to my younger son along with the '64 when I can no longer ride. Hopefully will be a while.
https://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/steering+head+bearing+set+_90126000
Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:06 pm

Ossessionato
1963 VBB2T
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Ossessionato
1963 VBB2T
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Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:06 pm linkquote
That is one good looking front end, nice idea for the bracket for vise as well.
When I started running my bike with the new front end I was getting alot of bouncing from the brake pads wearing to the new drum, much better all ready. At first I thought I had a loose bearing but quickly realized it was just the front damper and spring action.
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