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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 13:52:23 +0000 quote
Here i will post the build story of the mp3/Fuoco 500 with 1000cc

Going to buy a Secondhand Gilera GP800 use the back-end of it
Refurbishing the engine and fit 2 492cc Cylinders and pistons

Ordered the Following parts

A new Frame (i can cut, i need the neck to fit to the GP800 frame)
front swingarms
Wheel hubs
front Legs from the Fuoco RL
13" front Wheels (Will fit 120/70/13 tyres or if i can find them 100 110/90/13)
2 New nising 4 piston front caliper (CBR600rr)
NG Wave brakedisk
bearings

Other stuff i've got plenty in stock


Going to try to build it

Wil be continuted

Fri, 22 Jun 2018 15:13:11 +0000

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Fri, 22 Jun 2018 15:13:11 +0000 quote
Ooo - fun!
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Sat, 23 Jun 2018 18:54:06 +0000 quote
Following with great intent been wanting to do this for long time now!!
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Sun, 24 Jun 2018 03:00:24 +0000 quote
That sounds like fun! Good luck with the build.
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Sun, 24 Jun 2018 21:08:18 +0000 quote
You're insane! I love it!
Mon, 25 Jun 2018 01:16:31 +0000

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Mon, 25 Jun 2018 01:16:31 +0000 quote
Going to be a bad ass ride! Piaggio needs to produce a 650 or 750cc twin parallel. Even a 500 isn't really enough to push this much weight around.
Thu, 28 Jun 2018 13:50:25 +0000

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Thu, 28 Jun 2018 13:50:25 +0000 quote
Great stuff, although the mash up I'd really like to see is a Fuoco front end on the engine and rear end of a Yamaha t-max

That lovely inboard twin with great sound coupled with the two wheel front end.
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Thu, 28 Jun 2018 20:09:51 +0000 quote
won't be legal you can do it with a tricity and Tmax both Yamaha
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Thu, 28 Jun 2018 21:03:35 +0000 quote
MarshalDan wrote:
You're insane! I love it!
+ 1000
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Fri, 29 Jun 2018 04:07:28 +0000 quote
desq wrote:
Great stuff, although the mash up I'd really like to see is a Fuoco front end on the engine and rear end of a Yamaha t-max

That lovely inboard twin with great sound coupled with the two wheel front end.
So you want the same size motor that is already on the MP3 as apposed to an 800cc that has been bumped up to a 1000cc? I don't understand that.
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Fri, 29 Jun 2018 04:56:15 +0000 quote
no a GP800 is a 830cc 2 cylinder that i will bumb to 986cc

We all ready done that there are 4 build now

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Fri, 29 Jun 2018 04:57:32 +0000 quote
Maksor wrote:
no a GP800 is a 830cc 2 cylinder that i will bumb to 986cc
He's replying to desq who said he wanted the back on of a t-max, which is only 500 ccs.
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Fri, 29 Jun 2018 05:02:19 +0000 quote
the T-max 530 is a 2 cylinder with enough power but maybe there will fit other cylinder to it also never looked in to it
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Sun, 08 Jul 2018 08:04:54 +0000 quote
Adjusting the cylinders



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Sat, 21 Jul 2018 04:29:48 +0000 quote
Maksor...
I wouldn't mind doing the 492 conversion to my Mana.

Can you give details of what is involved as you go along?

What do the cylinders come off?

What work needs to be done to the heads?

What injector body are they using - the same?

Thanks

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Sat, 21 Jul 2018 05:12:56 +0000 quote
this size motor is something the MP3 really needed to begin with. Should be an interesting build. Post pictures and keep it up to date.
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Sun, 22 Jul 2018 08:23:09 +0000 quote
the are of the mp3 but need some adjustments

Left one stock 492cc middle adjusted 492cc right oem 430cc
Tue, 24 Jul 2018 04:59:49 +0000

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Tue, 24 Jul 2018 04:59:49 +0000 quote
Have you compared the weight of the two different piston, ring, gudgeon pin assemblies?
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Wed, 25 Jul 2018 19:22:31 +0000 quote
nope not the weight

the 430cc cylinder is a lot heavier then the 492
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Thu, 21 May 2020 19:00:40 +0000 quote
Finaly bought a wrecked gp800 in french

Now waiting on the shipping company to bring it over

allready have a parted out 125 hybride for the front-end

Used my newly bought Fuoco frame for my Fuoco 500 HPE project that will be a brandnew Gilera Fuoco with 44bhp and maybe a reverse





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finaly it got delivered





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Sat, 20 Jun 2020 10:02:35 +0000 quote
Very great plan!
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Sun, 21 Jun 2020 18:01:56 +0000 quote
Nice, lets get this started fellow Dutchman!
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awesome project. very jealous
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its bin a while but finaly started





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Looking forward to see this project completed!!
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frame work





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Fri, 27 Nov 2020 22:18:35 +0000 quote
its moveable again





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Fri, 27 Nov 2020 22:21:43 +0000 quote
Front brakes i'm thinking about 260mm size rotors with 14" 3.5" wheels


the Front wheels will be made out of rear rims narrowed down to 3.5" wide


these are 4.5 wide

Tyres will be Michelin Pilot Power 3 Scooter 120/70/14 55H

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..



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Maksor wrote:
Front brakes i'm thinking about 260mm size rotors with 14" 3.5" wheels

the Front wheels will be made out of rear rims narrowed down to 3.5" wide
Nice project overall!

How will you narrow down the rims?
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found a company that will do that for me they will take out 1" in the center and weld it together again



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Mon, 30 Nov 2020 23:28:36 +0000 quote
Wow.

Super impressive commitment.

The MP3 500 definitely could use a boost in very low end torque to get off the line a bit faster. I nearly wish it had a manual mode, but everything comes at a price and is a balancing act.

One of the clear balancing acts in the MP3 500 design is in user-friendliness. I wish it was a tad more aggressive and a 300 or so was the vehicle for ultimate approachability and the 500 was a bit edgier.

I am amazed at the commitment to such an ambitious project! I wish there was something as crazy as a turbo or supercharger kit, but of course that'd come at the prize of frying your clutch every 2k miles or something
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as posted earlier a turbo or supercharger will blow the head it will do this also with out a supercharger just a powercommander or rapif bike tuned to 48 HP
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Good progress so far!

How is the process in the Netherlands to get your project street-legal?
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Juxus wrote:
Good progress so far!

How is the process in the Netherlands to get your project street-legal?
Not easy, bud it is possible.
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jerryd wrote:
awesome project. very jealous
You could do your own Jerry. You have the power! 8)
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Maksor wrote:
its moveable again
Now that is cool!
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i m going to export it and get a tuf in germany l5e lots cheaper en easier then in the Netherlands



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Maksor wrote:
i m going to export it and get a tuf in germany l5e lots cheaper en easier then in the Netherlands
You could try Maksor, but they can be pretty picky over here when it comes to TÜV. Make double sure that everything is in tip top working order before you try to get it done over here .
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