Is this a good restoration?
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Vespa
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 11:19 am quote
Hello, I am wondering if this is a good restoration, or an Asian restoration that I should run, not walk, away from.

Any pointers or first impressions are welcomed!

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Sat Apr 03, 2021 12:42 pm quote
Lack of pics makes it hard to say.
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:10 pm quote
Looks pretty slap dash.

My gut says avoid... the flathead screws on the floor rail endcaps and some ill fitting screws on the outside rail, one sticking out like a herpes canker on a first date??? Cable routing looks suspect. Nope. If they were that careless with easy to manage cosmetics I'd be very worried about the mechanicals of the engine. It's nice and shiny, but unless you have a good idea on the history and the build, save your bucks and something more reliable.

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Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:35 pm quote
why is it that I can't see the pics ?
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:42 pm quote
Moto64 wrote:
why is it that I can't see the pics ?
Are you using chrome?
Maybe try a different browser?
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'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 1:56 pm quote
I got them by right clicking the boxes and viewing the images. I don't normally have to do that...
As for the bike, there's no telling what is under that shiny paint. I'd go for something a bit more honest.
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:07 pm quote
Wow, never seen such staging!
Ask for the documented history of the bike.
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:23 pm quote
I like the tail light but it looks like it fits a flatter ass.
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 2:54 pm quote
Lots of details wrong. Itís not really a restoration, more like a representation. Itís like the movie, ďThe FlyĒ ... as if they put a VBA in the machine with some shiny paint and parts from some other models and this is what came out.
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 3:51 pm quote
Wow, the paint and pics make it look great. But agree with everyone else that it is a bunch of parts incorrect.

That does not appear to be a 1958 VNA like seller describes. No VIN listed in the auction. Auction description reads word for word of some of his past sales.

I don't think I could even build one for $4k stateside (outsourcing paint, body, metal, and engine work).
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 4:13 pm quote
It's hard to tell.

The photos are nice. Like the lighting. Flattering.

There are a few things that are off:
- They used screws for the floor rails
- The legshield trim is strange. It's too short
- That weird black rubber tank seal
- The wires kind of hanging out at the motor junction
- The 10" wheel conversion

It's not really a restoration, per se. More of a rebuild. Probably mostly aftermarket parts. If I were to guess, the only things left of the original bike are the frame, headset, maybe the engine case/some engine parts.

It looks pretty. Very classy. Close to original look.
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 4:24 pm quote
"good restoration" no.

bad bike, no idea. looks like a bitza at best.

things that are not right:
* the tail light and fender trim would indicate a '58-'60 ish bike, but the fender is later.
* 10 in wheels
* legshield trim should extend down and under the floor runners
* tail light looks a bit like a sand cast re-pop but can't be sure
* headlight rim is a cheap re-pop
* I don't see a hole in the frame for the peg at the back of the engine side cowl to latch into
* chrome choke
* fuel tap is left on, so it's going to be flooded (if there is even any fuel in it)

things that look right (and are often wrong on bodges)
* rear seat pan look like it started as the correct thing
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 5:25 pm quote
oopsclunkthud wrote:
* I don't see a hole in the frame for the peg at the back of the engine side cowl to latch into
Oh yeah! What happened there?

Shiny paint will hide a lot.



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Vespa
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 5:34 pm quote
You guys are amazing. Thanks so much for the feedback. Where do I get a true quality restoration?
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 5:52 pm quote
No.
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Sat Apr 03, 2021 6:19 pm quote
funoldcarguy wrote:
You guys are amazing. Thanks so much for the feedback. Where do I get a true quality restoration?
Honestly? Do it yourself?

Then you know what the original condition is.

Bar Italia in Los Angeles does nice restorations.
https://www.baritaliaclassics.com/
Molto Verboso
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Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:54 am quote
hjo wrote:
oopsclunkthud wrote:
* I don't see a hole in the frame for the peg at the back of the engine side cowl to latch into
Oh yeah! What happened there?

Shiny paint will hide a lot.
Thatís interesting. Maybe they thought it was a superfluous rear rack hole so welded it up. Ha!
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