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Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:09 am

Petty Tyrant
GTS250 GTS300 MP3 500
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 31442
Location: Bay Area, California
 
Petty Tyrant
GTS250 GTS300 MP3 500
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Posts: 31442
Location: Bay Area, California
Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:09 am linkquote
My crack legal team (consisting of the firm Dewey, Cheatem, and Howe) have advised me that allowing attachments in an unmonitored environment -- namely, private messages -- is a liability. And I grudgingly must concur. Anything could be uploaded to MV’s servers, and we would never know it.

Effective immediately, attachments can no longer be added to private messages. If you need to exchange data with another MV member out of public view, I would encourage you to exchange email addresses via PM and then exchange data via email.

Furthermore, in about 60 days time, I am going to fire up a script that will delete ALL attachments in ALL private messages. During the next 60 days, I strongly encourage you to download any images or other attachments in private messages that you want to keep. After that, they will all be dispatched to the Great Bitbucket in the Sky.

The private messages themselves -- that is, the textual portion -- will be unaffected. And attachments are still active (and encouraged) in public-facing posts.

Sorry for the inconvenience. I don’t like removing functionality, but in this case the risk is more than I can stomach.
Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:00 pm

Ossessionato
'06 Vespa LX150, '07 Suzuki Burgman 400, '05 Honda Metropolitan
Joined: 17 Oct 2005
Posts: 3108
Location: Avon, Ohio (25 miles west of Cleveland)
 
Ossessionato
'06 Vespa LX150, '07 Suzuki Burgman 400, '05 Honda Metropolitan
Joined: 17 Oct 2005
Posts: 3108
Location: Avon, Ohio (25 miles west of Cleveland)
Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:00 pm linkquote
Thanks for the notice! There doesn't apparent to be a way to tell if a PM has an attachment, so I just went through every Sent, Received, and Saved PM from the past nearly 16 years. Shoulda done that long ago! I deleted the vast majority, while only finding one attachment. :shrug:

It was an interesting trip down memory lane, with some chuckles, sadness, and a few reminders I'd rather forget... Best one was one of the earliest where you sent the instructions on how to access my smorris@modernvespa.com email address. I clicked on the webmail link, and found the expected 404 error.
Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:08 pm

Petty Tyrant
GTS250 GTS300 MP3 500
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 31442
Location: Bay Area, California
 
Petty Tyrant
GTS250 GTS300 MP3 500
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 31442
Location: Bay Area, California
Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:08 pm linkquote
Steve wrote:
Thanks for the notice! There doesn't apparent to be a way to tell if a PM has an attachment, so I just went through every Sent, Received, and Saved PM from the past nearly 16 years.
For PMs, the clippy icon is appended to the message title. We removed the icon from posts recently (there seemed little point in distinguishing posts with attachments vs ones without) but for PMs it remains.
Steve wrote:
Best one was one of the earliest where you sent the instructions on how to access my smorris@modernvespa.com email address. I clicked on the webmail link, and found the expected 404 error.
Hah! I forgot about that.



Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:23 pm

Ossessionato
'06 Vespa LX150, '07 Suzuki Burgman 400, '05 Honda Metropolitan
Joined: 17 Oct 2005
Posts: 3108
Location: Avon, Ohio (25 miles west of Cleveland)
 
Ossessionato
'06 Vespa LX150, '07 Suzuki Burgman 400, '05 Honda Metropolitan
Joined: 17 Oct 2005
Posts: 3108
Location: Avon, Ohio (25 miles west of Cleveland)
Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:23 pm linkquote
jess wrote:
For PMs, the clippy icon is appended to the message title.
Weird, I don’t remember seeing it. But I was clicking through them pretty quick, so likely just missed it. I deleted that one, anyway. Thanks, I’ll remember that in the future. 😉
Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:25 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
Posts: 7358

 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
Joined: 30 Jan 2007
Posts: 7358

Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:25 pm linkquote
A slightly annoying, but honestly reasonable update, given how humans can (unfortunately) act these days.

Seriously, you are the most on-top-of-stuff admin I've ever encountered. In a good way, that is.
Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:42 pm

Petty Tyrant
GTS250 GTS300 MP3 500
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 31442
Location: Bay Area, California
 
Petty Tyrant
GTS250 GTS300 MP3 500
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 31442
Location: Bay Area, California
Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:42 pm linkquote
Witch wrote:
A slightly annoying, but honestly reasonable update, given how humans can (unfortunately) act these days.
This, unfortunately.
Witch wrote:
Seriously, you are the most on-top-of-stuff admin I've ever encountered. In a good way, that is.
I’m trying to make up for literally years of neglect.
Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:46 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190, Primavera
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Posts: 7228
Location: New Zealand
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190, Primavera
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Posts: 7228
Location: New Zealand
Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:46 pm linkquote
No more swapping photos of Vietnamese bodges then?
Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:48 pm

Petty Tyrant
GTS250 GTS300 MP3 500
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 31442
Location: Bay Area, California
 
Petty Tyrant
GTS250 GTS300 MP3 500
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 31442
Location: Bay Area, California
Thu Jul 15, 2021 12:48 pm linkquote
znomit wrote:
No more swapping photos of Vietnamese bodges then?
Nope, sorry. Unless it’s in a public post.
Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:43 pm

Ossessionato
2006 Vespa GT (Rocket): 2005 Vespa GT (Razzo): 2007 Vespa GT (Vanessa): 2009 Yamaha Zuma 125 (Zoom): 2018 Yamaha Xmax (Max),
Joined: 26 Sep 2006
Posts: 4532
Location: Jacksonville, Florida
 
Ossessionato
2006 Vespa GT (Rocket): 2005 Vespa GT (Razzo): 2007 Vespa GT (Vanessa): 2009 Yamaha Zuma 125 (Zoom): 2018 Yamaha Xmax (Max),
Joined: 26 Sep 2006
Posts: 4532
Location: Jacksonville, Florida
Thu Jul 15, 2021 2:43 pm linkquote
Witch wrote:
Seriously, you are the most on-top-of-stuff admin I've ever encountered. In a good way, that is.
Jess,

I don’t see a toaster under your name.

Certainly being the “most on-top-of-stuff admin I’ve ever encountered” deserves one.

Bill
Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:54 pm

Petty Tyrant
GTS250 GTS300 MP3 500
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 31442
Location: Bay Area, California
 
Petty Tyrant
GTS250 GTS300 MP3 500
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 31442
Location: Bay Area, California
Thu Jul 15, 2021 3:54 pm linkquote
WLeuthold wrote:
I don’t see a toaster under your name.
I’m very much opposed to awarding myself anything subjective. I gave in when OAD insisted I have a Cannonball award, but only because I objectively met the qualifications. Even then, I would be happier to have no awards under my name whatsoever.

I guess it’s a GenX thing.
Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:29 pm

Moto Giro Titan
2009 GTS 250 Super Lucrezia Borgia, 2013 Ducati Hyperstrada, Little Big Red,2020 Zero SR/S, Zeus, Electric Dragon
Joined: 04 Feb 2009
Posts: 2629
Location: Carrollton, Kentucky
 
Moto Giro Titan
2009 GTS 250 Super Lucrezia Borgia, 2013 Ducati Hyperstrada, Little Big Red,2020 Zero SR/S, Zeus, Electric Dragon
Joined: 04 Feb 2009
Posts: 2629
Location: Carrollton, Kentucky
Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:29 pm linkquote
WLeuthold wrote:
Jess,

I don’t see a toaster under your name.

Certainly being the “most on-top-of-stuff admin I’ve ever encountered” deserves one.

Bill
The wrench clutched firmly in the grasp of his avatar should serve as his award, LOL
Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:57 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190, Primavera
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Posts: 7228
Location: New Zealand
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190, Primavera
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Posts: 7228
Location: New Zealand
Thu Jul 15, 2021 5:57 pm linkquote
I think a gallery view of uploaded photos would be a great enhancement to the forum.
So you would be able to see all the photos uploaded on a timeline.
Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:35 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
In garage: Yamaha Tricity 155 Urban 2019 - MV Agusta 125 RS 1956
Joined: 21 Jul 2007
Posts: 6606
Location: Latina (Italy)
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
In garage: Yamaha Tricity 155 Urban 2019 - MV Agusta 125 RS 1956
Joined: 21 Jul 2007
Posts: 6606
Location: Latina (Italy)
Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:35 pm linkquote
No, no ... He's right about the attachments, even on my 500X club Italia forum ( https://500x.forumfree.it ) i invite not to publish attachments in private messages even if, even if we can't see it, we administrators know it's there and delete it immediately. Same invitation to use emails to exchange them.
Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:57 pm

Molto Verboso
GTS 300ie Touring, AKA Gigi
Joined: 26 Mar 2018
Posts: 1566
Location: Phoenix, AZ.
 
Molto Verboso
GTS 300ie Touring, AKA Gigi
Joined: 26 Mar 2018
Posts: 1566
Location: Phoenix, AZ.
Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:57 pm linkquote
IMHO, perfectly reasonable, ya know 'cause people.
Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:50 pm

Petty Tyrant
GTS250 GTS300 MP3 500
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 31442
Location: Bay Area, California
 
Petty Tyrant
GTS250 GTS300 MP3 500
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 31442
Location: Bay Area, California
Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:50 pm linkquote
znomit wrote:
I think a gallery view of uploaded photos would be a great enhancement to the forum.
So you would be able to see all the photos uploaded on a timeline.
It’s on my list. Doing it well is a challenge, though. That’s probably why it hasn’t happened yet.

Perfect is the enemy of good, I guess.
Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:56 pm

Ossessionato
2016 Vespa GTS300ie abs/asr/ess Settantesimo '70'
Joined: 11 Jun 2011
Posts: 3435
Location: East Anglia, a dryer region of the UK than Israel
 
Ossessionato
2016 Vespa GTS300ie abs/asr/ess Settantesimo '70'
Joined: 11 Jun 2011
Posts: 3435
Location: East Anglia, a dryer region of the UK than Israel
Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:56 pm linkquote
Yeah, this seems like a brilliant idea considering how some folks could or might behave. You have to protect yourself and the site.

I mod on a University technical engineering site here in the UK, same rules exist there too. I have to say it's great to see the site undergoing this and other stuff and I definitely think you should award yourself a gold star of some kind jess. Thanks for everything you do.
Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:26 am

Veni, Vidi, Posti
2021 Vespa GTS300 HPE Racing 60's, 2019 BMW K1600GT Sport, 2019 Ural Gear Up
Joined: 21 May 2017
Posts: 8232
Location: Toronto
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
2021 Vespa GTS300 HPE Racing 60's, 2019 BMW K1600GT Sport, 2019 Ural Gear Up
Joined: 21 May 2017
Posts: 8232
Location: Toronto
Fri Jul 16, 2021 2:26 am linkquote
jess wrote:
It’s on my list. Doing it well is a challenge, though. That’s probably why it hasn’t happened yet.

Perfect is the enemy of good, I guess.
I've always used better is the enemy of good enough but that makes sense as well. Perfect is an unobtainable goal. Even a 1955 Vespa 150 GS is not perfect. Still I'd be happy to own one.

This makes sense if the messages are stored locally and not monitored. Any time I've had a PM that gets to the point attachments are need I've just gone to email as it's way easier, quicker and likely more private not that it really mattered anyway.
Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:29 am

Molto Verboso
Vespa ET3 & Vespa PX150 & Vespa GTS 300 & NIU NQi Sport
Joined: 05 Apr 2009
Posts: 1561
Location: Berlin
 
Molto Verboso
Vespa ET3 & Vespa PX150 & Vespa GTS 300 & NIU NQi Sport
Joined: 05 Apr 2009
Posts: 1561
Location: Berlin
Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:29 am linkquote
An email more private? Are you that one guy that still uses PGP?
Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:40 am

Veni, Vidi, Posti
2021 Vespa GTS300 HPE Racing 60's, 2019 BMW K1600GT Sport, 2019 Ural Gear Up
Joined: 21 May 2017
Posts: 8232
Location: Toronto
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
2021 Vespa GTS300 HPE Racing 60's, 2019 BMW K1600GT Sport, 2019 Ural Gear Up
Joined: 21 May 2017
Posts: 8232
Location: Toronto
Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:40 am linkquote
Der Blechfahrer wrote:
An email more private? Are you that one guy that still uses PGP?
The key word is likely. For the most part I don't think Google or Microsoft have any interest in what I'm doing at all. Now if you are talking something like a criminal investigation then with the right forms filled out they will hand it over.

Now as far as packet sniffing, spoofing blah blah blah I try and not do dumb things.
Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:41 am

Petty Tyrant
GTS250 GTS300 MP3 500
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 31442
Location: Bay Area, California
 
Petty Tyrant
GTS250 GTS300 MP3 500
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 31442
Location: Bay Area, California
Fri Jul 16, 2021 7:41 am linkquote
Der Blechfahrer wrote:
An email more private? Are you that one guy that still uses PGP?
I’m not making any claims or statements about privacy. This is about liability. I don’t really want unknown content on MV’s servers.
Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:34 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190, Primavera
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Posts: 7228
Location: New Zealand
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190, Primavera
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Posts: 7228
Location: New Zealand
Fri Jul 16, 2021 4:34 pm linkquote
Are you going to send out an email informing users of this, which won't avoid the inevitable "where the hell are my PM attachments, you've stolen them and that was the only photo of yada yada yada" trickle of whinging from non regular users that will flow in for the next decade, but at least you can say "I told ya so piss off".
Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:05 pm

Petty Tyrant
GTS250 GTS300 MP3 500
Joined: 11 Oct 2005
Posts: 31442
Location: Bay Area, California
 
Petty Tyrant
GTS250 GTS300 MP3 500
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Posts: 31442
Location: Bay Area, California
Fri Jul 16, 2021 5:05 pm linkquote
znomit wrote:
Are you going to send out an email informing users of this, which won't avoid the inevitable "where the hell are my PM attachments, you've stolen them and that was the only photo of yada yada yada" trickle of whinging from non regular users that will flow in for the next decade, but at least you can say "I told ya so piss off".
Nope.
Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:03 am

Molto Verboso
2013 GTS300ie
Joined: 12 Dec 2017
Posts: 1321
Location: Pretoria, South Africa
 
Molto Verboso
2013 GTS300ie
Joined: 12 Dec 2017
Posts: 1321
Location: Pretoria, South Africa
Sat Jul 17, 2021 9:03 am linkquote
On the other fora that I am a member, attachments on PM have never been allowed.
I am surprised that MV had the facility.
I won't miss it.
Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:38 pm

Ossessionato
2020 MP3 Sport 500 HPE ABS ASR
Joined: 25 Aug 2007
Posts: 4213
Location: El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora Reina de los Ángeles sobre el Río Porciúncula
 
Ossessionato
2020 MP3 Sport 500 HPE ABS ASR
Joined: 25 Aug 2007
Posts: 4213
Location: El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora Reina de los Ángeles sobre el Río Porciúncula
Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:38 pm linkquote
jess wrote:
It’s on my list. Doing it well is a challenge, though. That’s probably why it hasn’t happened yet.

Perfect is the enemy of good, I guess.
I always quote it as "Perfection is the enemy of excellence".

BTW, Jess, I think you at least deserve a participation award.
Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:41 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190, Primavera
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Posts: 7228
Location: New Zealand
 
Veni, Vidi, Posti
LX190, Primavera
Joined: 12 Oct 2007
Posts: 7228
Location: New Zealand
Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:41 pm linkquote
mpfrank wrote:
I always quote it as "Perfection is the enemy of excellence".
If it's worth doing, it's worth doing badly. Sometimes.
Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:24 am

Member
Looking
Joined: 29 May 2021
Posts: 13
Location: Chanhassen, MN
 
Member
Looking
Joined: 29 May 2021
Posts: 13
Location: Chanhassen, MN
Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:24 am linkquote
I used to be a moderator for a good sized Facebook group, and the attachments people would try to hide in the “Files” section would astound me. Doesn't seem like anybody here is that disgusting, but you never know what kind of newbie could crawl in under the radar (says the newest of the new), and cause no end of problems. Very wise call to make!!
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