Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:04 am

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GTS 300, BV250
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Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:04 am linkquote
Results similar to @wbdvt. We kept passing each other on the 2nd half.

BV250 with Malossi BBK. I was not shy about riding hard in the dirt or on potholed mountain goat roads. 70-75 MPH @ WOT. 325-350 lbs on board (rider + gear + tools + fluirds + parts).

32 psi rear, 29 psi front at sea level. Pressure was higher in the mountains. Never had to add air.

Pleasantly surprised at the traction and smoothness. Never got much of a wobble, even after they started squaring off. No slips in the rain or in the dirt, which was a surprise. I was probably a bit cautious and wasn't aware of it. Front seems to have gotten eaten up a little more, which was a bit of a surprise as I expected to burn through the rear much faster. Maybe I should have run a few psi higher?

These may be a budget alternative to the CG2's, but they certainly delivered for me.















Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:59 am

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2018 LIBERTY 150S, 2013 Kymco LIKE200iLX
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Location: Ohio
 
Molto Verboso
2018 LIBERTY 150S, 2013 Kymco LIKE200iLX
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Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:59 am linkquote
Thanks for the report and your photos.
Angels on my Liberty.

O.S.
Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:35 am

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Owned Vespa Rally 200, V90, Li150 series II...now a PX200
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Location: Fukui, Japan From San Diego
 
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Location: Fukui, Japan From San Diego
Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:35 am linkquote
I've had Angels on my bike for a year now. I like them, but are already dead. I only ride maybe twice a week.
Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:47 am

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Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:47 am linkquote
Phangtonpower wrote:
I've had Angels on my bike for a year now. I like them, but are already dead. I only ride maybe twice a week.
How many kms/miles?
Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:55 am

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Location: Fukui, Japan From San Diego
 
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Wed Jul 28, 2021 1:55 am linkquote
steelbytes wrote:
How many kms/miles?
That I can't say. I'm sure it's way less than a cross country trip across America. I have them on a PX. Maybe that could be why they didn't last long.
Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:22 am

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2017 Piaggio BV350
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Wed Jul 28, 2021 5:22 am linkquote
I had Pirelli Angel Scoots installed on my BV350 last October, with just under 11k miles on the scooter.

Had to replace the rear tire in June (approx. 8 months later), at just under 13k miles, due to a nail. Tread was still fine.

Front tire is still in great shape. I really like them, especially compared to the City Grips.
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Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:40 pm

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bv350, Brutale 910
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Location: LA CA
 
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Wed Nov 17, 2021 2:40 pm linkquote
@gotmojo (I mean I could PM you, but ... this is a PSA) rezvilla/cyclegear is still the "b"est place for the angel scooter tires, yes? I'm piling on the miles this Fall, FAST, as traffic gets worse and worse towards Christmas.
Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:01 pm

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18' GTS Super - 18' Sprint
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Location: San Jose CA
 
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18' GTS Super - 18' Sprint
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Location: San Jose CA
Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:01 pm linkquote
tonyc wrote:
@gotmojo (I mean I could PM you, but ... this is a PSA) rezvilla/cyclegear is still the "b"est place for the angel scooter tires, yes? I'm piling on the miles this Fall, FAST, as traffic gets worse and worse towards Christmas.
$155 ($71F, $85R) w/ free delivery to San Jose CA is the best I have seen today

Just ordered Angels front and rear for '18 Sprint and was also the best I could find today.

Steve
Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:18 pm

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2006 Vespa GT (Rocket): 2005 Vespa GT (Razzo): 2007 Vespa GT (Vanessa): 2009 Yamaha Zuma 125 (Zoom): 2018 Yamaha Xmax (Max),
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Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:18 pm linkquote
I put Angels on my Zuma a few months ago, but hadn't ridden it much until last week, when o rode around 100 miles.

I like the grip and ride, but they replaced 12 year old knobbyish tires, so they couldn't help but be better.

In the meantime, I have bought from Revzilla three more fronts and rears for the Vespas.

I will get two fronts and a rear mounted soon to try them out on the faster bikes.

One thing I liked about the tires is that, according to the DOT stamp, they were manufactured in mid 2021, so fresh tires.

Bill
Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:38 pm

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Wed Nov 17, 2021 3:38 pm linkquote
thanks for the quick response @g8r @WLeuthold, ordered from revzilla.

I had the angels on the previous bv350 and they lasted hella miles. the CG's on the current bike is looking scary at ~7K mi.

more Q: has any one used cyclegear's tire changing serviec recently? I know not all of their tire centers do 14"/scooters, I found one that does, but I'm WEARY. That said, my local indy didn't balance last time and I was super annoyed considering how much they charged...
Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:57 pm

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Wed Nov 17, 2021 4:57 pm linkquote
I asked Cycle Gear about mounting tires when I bring them to them.

They don't do 12" wheels.

I found a local shop, Favre Motorcycle Repair.

They have a professional tire changer and change them out quickly without ever touching the rim.

And they balance front wheels and fill them with nitrogen.

All for $25.00

Look for something like this near you.

Bill
Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:06 pm

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Medley 150
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Location: Adelaide
 
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Medley 150
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Wed Nov 17, 2021 5:06 pm linkquote
My new Medley came with Maxxis. Last week , after 11000 km s they were replaced with Angels. $ 85 each, $50 each to fit.
Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:10 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
2009 GTV250 (Gone), 2003 Inder trailer, 2001 BMW R1100RT
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Location: Santa Cruz California
 
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Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:10 pm linkquote
I have the Pirelli Angel GT on my BMW 1100cc touring bike. They are obviously a bigger tire then scooter tires but have the same tread pattern. I've put about 2K miles on them. I like them. I had a local shop mount and balance the new tires. $28/wheel including old tire county disposal fee ($5) and new stem ($3). They told me to pump the rear up a bit more because the old tire had squared off a bit much.

Miguel
Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:51 pm

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Location: Norfolk, VA
 
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Wed Nov 17, 2021 6:51 pm linkquote
I have a Angel on the rear tire for my Liberty, waiting for the front to come in this month. Just having the rear for now I can't say anything bad about it. My front Maxxis OEM tire is now on the wear strips at 20,000 miles so I'm curious to see how a front Angel will handle.
Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:31 pm

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Piaggio Bevery 300 ie - 2012
Joined: 08 Aug 2021
Posts: 225
Location: Belgium
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:31 pm linkquote
I will need a new rear tyre next spring. On a BV 300.

The present rear tyre is now 9 years old and has done 21000km but has come close to the wear knobs. It is a Michelin City Grip. Original tyre. Not bad.

But I would like a bit more grip when weather conditions are not optimal: rain, wet surface.
I read the City Grip 2 is quite an improvement on the City Grip, but I also have found good comments on the Angel, so that is also an option.

Anyone that can compare?
Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:42 pm

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ET4 "Mona"
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Location: South Jersey
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2021 12:42 pm linkquote
PeterCC wrote:
Anyone that can compare?
I certainly can NOT compare, but I'm very interested in whatever answers you get. I'm in a similar situation with my rear tire. I'm looking at / saving for a set of CG2s but if a supply shortage makes them too hard to get I might need to go with the Angels.

I was wondering if there is any reason to expect a tire supply problem in the near future? If so, I better buy new tires now!
Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:12 pm

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Location: LA CA
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:12 pm linkquote
WLeuthold wrote:
I asked Cycle Gear about mounting tires when I bring them to them.

They don't do 12" wheels.

I found a local shop, Favre Motorcycle Repair.
Like I'd written, a Cycle Gear nearby does tires down to 14", which serves my needs. 2 of my local moto indies can't even balance 14", hence I'm going with CG.
Sledge wrote:
My new Medley came with Maxxis. Last week , after 11000 km s they were replaced with Angels.
Oddly, Maxxis USA does not carry 14" scooter tires, otherwise, I'd totally support Maxxis first, over any other brand, cause #TaiwanCanHelp
PeterCC wrote:
The present rear tyre is now 9 years old and has done 21000km but has come close to the wear knobs. It is a Michelin City Grip. Original tyre. Not bad.

But I would like a bit more grip when weather conditions are not optimal: rain, wet surface.
I read the City Grip 2 is quite an improvement on the City Grip, but I also have found good comments on the Angel, so that is also an option.
21000km is incredible, not just "not bad" . The previous CG I had to change at 10k mi; they were basically square slicks by then.

CG2 costs 30% MORE than the Angels locally. I can't imagine it performs 30% better, based on 4000k+ mi experience I've had with Angels.

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Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:32 pm

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Piaggio Bevery 300 ie - 2012
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Location: Belgium
 
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Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:32 pm linkquote
tonyc wrote:
(...)
21000km is incredible, not just "not bad" . The previous CG I had to change at 10k mi; they were basically square slicks by then.

CG2 costs 30% than the Angels locally. I can't imagine it performs 30% better, based on 4000k+ mi experience I've had with Angels.
You mean CG2's cost 30% less than Angels? I have to check that out.
Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:47 pm

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Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:47 pm linkquote
I just tried to do a comparison on tire prices between City Grip 2 and Angels.

RevZilla only had three sizes on the City Grips available. No 12" at all.

They had many more Angel sizes, including 120/70/12 and 130/70/12.
Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:52 pm

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Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:52 pm linkquote
WLeuthold wrote:
I just tried to do a comparison on tire prices between City Grip 2 and Angels.

RevZilla only had three sizes on the City Grips available. No 12" at all.

They had many more Angel sizes, including 120/70/12 and 130/70/12.
On my BV 300 my rear tyre is a 14" 140/70 tubeless. They are available in City Grip 2 and in Pirelli Angel.
Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:57 pm

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Thu Nov 18, 2021 2:57 pm linkquote
I had City Grips on my SYM CityCom 300. How did they do? No idea, the SYM got serious end play on the crank end about 50 miles into the new tires. Junked the SYM after that.
Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:02 pm

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Thu Nov 18, 2021 3:02 pm linkquote
PeterCC wrote:
You mean CG2's cost 30% less than Angels? I have to check that out.
MORE. CG2s cost 30% MORE than Angeles, that was the entire purpose of the original post in this thread. Michi's are expensive, Pirelli scoot tires cheaper, and lasts a long ways.
Fri Nov 19, 2021 6:31 am

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Fri Nov 19, 2021 6:31 am linkquote
PeterCC wrote:
I will need a new rear tyre next spring. On a BV 300.

The present rear tyre is now 9 years old and has done 21000km but has come close to the wear knobs. It is a Michelin City Grip. Original tyre. Not bad.

But I would like a bit more grip when weather conditions are not optimal: rain, wet surface.
I read the City Grip 2 is quite an improvement on the City Grip, but I also have found good comments on the Angel, so that is also an option.

Anyone that can compare?
I can't compare the City Grip 2 with the Pirelli Angel.

But I can compare the City Grip with the Pirelli Angel.

I rode City Grip tires for 3+ years. It was the only model in the size needed for the BCV350 that the Vespa dealer stocked. When the dealership was sold to another shop, my options became the City Grip 2 and the Angel. The Angel was cheaper, and was what the shop recommended, so I went with it.

The Pirelli Angel has, in my experience, better wet traction than the Michelin City Grip. The City Grip always felt "sketchy" on slicker surfaces, while the Angel grips perfectly.

I hope this helps.
Fri Nov 19, 2021 1:59 pm

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Fri Nov 19, 2021 1:59 pm linkquote
tonyc wrote:
(...)
21000km is incredible, not just "not bad" . The previous CG I had to change at 10k mi; they were basically square slicks by then.
(...)
It is a 140/70 14", on a BV300, not on a GTS. Larger wheel.
Fri Nov 19, 2021 2:01 pm

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Fri Nov 19, 2021 2:01 pm linkquote
sc00ter wrote:
I had City Grips on my SYM CityCom 300. How did they do? No idea, the SYM got serious end play on the crank end about 50 miles into the new tires. Junked the SYM after that.
Not such a good job done by SYM.
It is unusual that the tyres live longer than the engine.
Fri Nov 19, 2021 2:24 pm

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Location: Belgium
 
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Fri Nov 19, 2021 2:24 pm linkquote
tonyc wrote:
MORE. CG2s cost 30% MORE than Angeles, that was the entire purpose of the original post in this thread. Michi's are expensive, Pirelli scoot tires cheaper, and lasts a long ways.
I see I misundertood.

I checked the prices over here in BE on a popular tyre site.
In the size I want, so 140/70 on a 14" rim and load/speed 68S.

Michelin City Grip 2: 63,43€ or 71,68$.
Pirelli Angel Scooter: 62,02€ or 70,08$.

Let us call that same price.

I think I go for the City Grip 2.

I am quite satisfied with the City Grip (1) that I have now on the scooter and if the City Grip 2 would offer a bit more confidence on wet roads then that is what I am looking for and that is precisely what Michelin claims.

I plan to check out if their claim holds.
Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:02 am

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Location: Orange County, CA
 
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Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:02 am linkquote
tonyc wrote:
@gotmojo (I mean I could PM you, but ... this is a PSA) rezvilla/cyclegear is still the "b"est place for the angel scooter tires, yes? I'm piling on the miles this Fall, FAST, as traffic gets worse and worse towards Christmas.
No clue. I imagine these days that the 'best' place to get anything is going to default to whoever has them in stock.
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