Thu May 26, 2022 6:41 pm

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Thu May 26, 2022 6:41 pm linkquote
The manual details quite a bit to be done? I see a kit on Scooterwest for the belt. How many owners do these themselves?


Kit for part of the 6k maintenance.

Thu May 26, 2022 7:00 pm

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Thu May 26, 2022 7:00 pm linkquote
I don't but I bring the kit to my trusted service place.
Thu May 26, 2022 9:30 pm

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Thu May 26, 2022 9:30 pm linkquote
I replace the belt myself every 6K miles/10K km, but I do have the tools and knowledge.

You don't want to skip the belt service. Nothing worse than the belt breaking and locking up the rear wheel
Fri May 27, 2022 2:33 am

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Fri May 27, 2022 2:33 am linkquote
Belt and rollers is easy enough. You're also going to need a big socket for the axle nut and the variator nut, a decent size breaker bar to get it loose, a torque wrench to put it back, and a variator holder tool so you don't break anything.
Fri May 27, 2022 5:19 am

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Fri May 27, 2022 5:19 am linkquote
I will have to source the tools, thanks for the heads up.
Fri May 27, 2022 7:31 am

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Fri May 27, 2022 7:31 am linkquote
Easyparts.nl has the required Buzetti tools and the Piaggio belt kits.

Kinda shocking how crazy expensive Piaggio parts are in the US. Probably explains why they are just a boutique brand.
Fri May 27, 2022 8:39 am

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Fri May 27, 2022 8:39 am linkquote
https://www.scooterwest.com/piaggio-500-variator-holding-tool-toolp500v.html

https://www.af1racing.com/Buzzetti-Variator-Locking-Tool-For-400-500cc

For some reason the scooterwest "kit" is way more expensive than just buying the parts individually.
Fri May 27, 2022 8:43 am

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Fri May 27, 2022 8:43 am linkquote
Mitch already has you covered. Do be careful how you jam the rear wheel. Have seen a couple instances of the brake caliper mounting points breaking off. I can almost do mine with the just the rear brake and parking brake grabbing tight. If you have an air impact wrench the nut will come of easily, but you still need to torque it down properly when you're done.

Fri May 27, 2022 8:58 am

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Fri May 27, 2022 8:58 am linkquote
I would note use his technic to remove the bolt. This is how I broke something on my scooter back in the time:

https://modernvespa.com/forum/topic154997
Disaster...I broke few parts on my MP3 500
Fri May 27, 2022 11:13 am

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Fri May 27, 2022 11:13 am linkquote
I found the best way to break the rear axle nut loose is to have the scoot sitting on its wheels with a helper sitting on the seat.

The combined weight of the scoot and helper should be more than enough to break that nut loose without having to force or break anything.

IF you don't have a torque wrench handy, mark the nut and spindle (prior to removal) with a sharpie so you can get the nut back to roughly the same spot as it was before. However, this method is not a replacement for the torque wrench and should only be used as a temporary measure.
Mon May 30, 2022 6:19 pm

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Mon May 30, 2022 6:19 pm linkquote
Wow, great detail and support, Thanks. This is my 1st 6k overhaul and I am still under warranty. I was thinking that I should have a dealership do it while under warranty. Any thoughts?

This is also my first Piaggio or CVT. It seems like a high maintenance cost to have to do this type of repair every 6,000 mi. I haven't had my bike a year yet. Does that mean I have to spend $500 a year to keep my bike running?
Mon May 30, 2022 9:59 pm

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Mon May 30, 2022 9:59 pm linkquote
Well, European vehicles come with European prices. Piaggio is not alone in this. BMW is the same. Heard the same about KTM, Triumph, etc.

In the US, Piaggio is not a major player and they treat the US as a outlet market for bikes they can no longer sell in their home market.

They are a niche player making parts and availability more difficult resulting in higher prices. I suggest you use easyparts.nl if you plan to wrench yourself, which is the only way to make these bikes easier on the wallet.

Either way, these bikes do require very regular maintenance. There is simply no escaping that other than running it until something blows up.

If you wanted outright reliability and lowest running costs then you should have bought a Honda.

The belt is a critical service item you cannot ignore. Either do it yourself or have a knowledgeable shop perform it.
Tue May 31, 2022 2:17 pm

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Tue May 31, 2022 2:17 pm linkquote
maseratij wrote:
Wow, great detail and support, Thanks. This is my 1st 6k overhaul and I am still under warranty. I was thinking that I should have a dealership do it while under warranty. Any thoughts?

This is also my first Piaggio or CVT. It seems like a high maintenance cost to have to do this type of repair every 6,000 mi. I haven't had my bike a year yet. Does that mean I have to spend $500 a year to keep my bike running?
if your not will to do your own normal maintenance then you pay someone else to. don't care if its a car, motorcycle, lawnmower, ice cream machine, cabinet installer, what ever those labor costs are high PERIOD.
Tue May 31, 2022 4:45 pm

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Tue May 31, 2022 4:45 pm linkquote
maseratij wrote:
Does that mean I have to spend $500 a year to keep my bike running?
Am I the only one who finds your member name a bit ironic given this comment?
The short answer is yes, unless you DIY.
Tue May 31, 2022 4:48 pm

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Tue May 31, 2022 4:48 pm linkquote
By the way, I replace my belt and rollers every 10,000 miles.
Wed Jun 01, 2022 8:09 am

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Wed Jun 01, 2022 8:09 am linkquote
@madison sully there is some irony in the username more about speed than luxury btw. I understand the costs of maintenance, thank you to the members who reminded me that things break and require preventative maintenance. My observation was only in that I lurked here for a year or two before I purchased an MP3 and never came across a conversation regarding Total Cost of Ownership.

If I wanted two wheels there were more options! That said the technology and the power make the MP3 something very unique on the road.

Paying to play!
Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:03 pm

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Wed Jun 01, 2022 5:03 pm linkquote
CVT maintenance is similar to chain & sprockets
I'd rather clean up rubber dust contained by a cover, than chain lube slinging off everywhere, no matter how carefully it's applied
Nothing quite like cleaning a fine patina of chain lube & brake dust off a spoked rim
Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:39 pm

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Thu Jun 02, 2022 5:39 pm linkquote
Garthhh wrote:
...
Nothing quite like cleaning a fine patina of chain lube & brake dust off a spoked rim
Never ever understood how spoked rims became desirable again...
Fri Jun 03, 2022 11:50 am

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Fri Jun 03, 2022 11:50 am linkquote
On a rigid bicycle, spokes are slightly more comfortable
Spokes mostly means inner tubes another joyous blast from the past
Sat Jun 04, 2022 3:06 pm

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Sat Jun 04, 2022 3:06 pm linkquote
Garthhh wrote:
On a rigid bicycle, spokes are slightly more comfortable
Spokes mostly means inner tubes another joyous blast from the past
Also, on a bike (I like street bicycles too), alternatives can be super expensive, especially if you consider carbon stuff. I should know because I got a Colnago with those, and I never ride it, I just ride my Trek.

On the motorcycle front, I have long been a proponent of cardan driveshafts, and belts also rank high... but chains have come a very long way (unless you ride them on snowy and salty or muddy streets, I guess).
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Mon Aug 29, 2022 5:21 pm

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Mon Aug 29, 2022 5:21 pm linkquote
Update, the belt replacement was easier to do than the rear wheel tire change (btw I went up to a 70/150). I had to purchase the torque wrenches ($$$) and some of the larger metric sockets. Well it feels different for sure, the rollers were black and had a flat spot on half of them. Does this say anything about the clutch or my driving? Why were the replacements a different color? They feel a little smoother on the bottom end.

Now the belt is pictured here after removal at 10k mi. I was expecting to see a rodents nest of shredded fibers when I opened up the case. I was 4k overdue, but there isn't that much wear on this belt. How long can they actually go?





Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:14 am

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Tue Aug 30, 2022 12:14 am linkquote
maseratij wrote:
Wow, great detail and support, Thanks. This is my 1st 6k overhaul and I am still under warranty. I was thinking that I should have a dealership do it while under warranty. Any thoughts?

This is also my first Piaggio or CVT. It seems like a high maintenance cost to have to do this type of repair every 6,000 mi. I haven't had my bike a year yet. Does that mean I have to spend $500 a year to keep my bike running?
If you have not done the brake recall, good time to do it if needed, personally I always let the dealers do services on any bike or scooter under warranty, after that out come the tools when possible.
Tue Aug 30, 2022 5:33 am

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Tue Aug 30, 2022 5:33 am linkquote
The lighter color rollers indicate a lighter weight. Light blue = 21gram while the stock black rollers are 25gram each. I find the best combo to be 4 blacks and 4 light blue ones in a staggered pattern (8 rollers total) which nets you a average weight of 23 gram per roller.

The flat spots are signs of wear for sure, but the Piaggio ones last the longest. FWIW, I've got about 40K miles on mine without any obvious signs of flat spots. I guess you can call me captain slow.

"How long do they actually go" is a question for the ages. IF this were a timing belt from a car engine, would you only be satisfied if the belt physically broke along with major damage or would you just change the belt per the subscribed factory interval to "play it safe"???
Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:21 pm

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Wed Aug 31, 2022 5:21 pm linkquote
So lighter rollers would be less torque? They move out quicker and increase the dimension of the flywheel? It feels a bit slower off the start, and smoother in general with the light blue replacements.
Sat Sep 03, 2022 9:57 am

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Sat Sep 03, 2022 9:57 am linkquote
my 6k miles maintenance is coming and I am thinking to replace stock rollers with DR. Pulley. Can someone recommend Dr. Pulley roller weights to replace stock rollers? I have Piaggio MP3 500ie Sport 2016
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