Sat Jun 11, 2022 10:55 am

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1980 P200E - "Old Rusty", 1976 ET3 Primavera
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1980 P200E - "Old Rusty", 1976 ET3 Primavera
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Posts: 8868
Location: Atlanta, GA
Sat Jun 11, 2022 10:55 am linkquote
Finally got around to installing an "anti-dive" kit on my et3 (I know Patrick, I know ). I really wish I'd done this sooner - especially riding in stop-and-go traffic around the city all the time, I'm basically in perma-dive mode.

It's amazing what a relatively small change in suspension geometry does for how force is transferred to the shock. My only concern is I'm not sure this would be pleasant with sport suspension - it firms things up a lot on its own, and I feel like I'd probably only want to run it with sport suspension if I was doing a lot of performance riding.

I will say the Carbone instructions, in charmingly poorly-translated English, left a bit to be desired - I actually wound up taking it back apart and putting things together a little differently from the implied procedure in the printed instructions.

I love the cute little briefcase it comes in too


How italian


OG configuration for reference


New configuration, where a new shock support inserts where the rubber cover on the hub used to be


All together


Freaking snoopy is never impressed

Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:01 pm

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VNB vsc o9c VMA vbc VSX
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Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:01 pm linkquote
Cool!
Can you take a pic with the carbon fiber dust cover removed next time you are out and have time? I can visualize it I think from the first pic, but want to confirm as I am a bit thick.
Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:09 pm

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Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:09 pm linkquote
NM... found a install pictorial on SC.

https://www.scooter-center.com/media/image/34/93/45/Einbauanleitung_Instruction_.jpg
Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:16 pm

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1979 P150X, 1983 P200E, 1988 T5, 1995 PX200E, 2011 Yamaha Fazer 600 S2
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Location: Veria, Greece
 
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Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:16 pm linkquote
And here's a video...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2XsSTiaeG4

Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:33 pm

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73 & 74 Rally, 76 ET3, 80 P200, 06 PX150, 61 Ser 2, 65 Silver Special, 86 Elite 80,90 V5N 50, 01 ET2, 2015 HD Road Glide Special, 2011 Ural Tourist
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Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:33 pm linkquote
Xantu- you mentioned you wouldn't want it with a "sport"suspension. Does that mean stiff hard race suspension (Bitubo?) or does that mean everyday soft gentle suspension like YSS/ stock?
Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:40 pm

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1980 P200E - "Old Rusty", 1976 ET3 Primavera
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Location: Atlanta, GA
 
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Posts: 8868
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Sat Jun 11, 2022 1:40 pm linkquote
MJRally wrote:
Xantu- you mentioned you wouldn't want it with a "sport"suspension. Does that mean stiff hard race suspension (Bitubo?) or does that mean everyday soft gentle suspension like YSS/ stock?
Oh I just meant the bitubo-type stuff sorry. I think it would be OK with the slightly stiffened shocks. Obviously I'm still rocking the stock squishy on this so I can't say for sure - just trying to translate my experiences with different shocks on my p2 and how this might feel (the guy in the video above has a bitubo with it so what do I know )
Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:34 pm

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Sat Jun 11, 2022 5:34 pm linkquote
I can attest, anti-dive OR sport shock. Not both.
Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:13 am

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64 V90 survivor '65 Allstate survivor. '75 V90 SOLD. '77 P200 SOLD
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Location: Madison WI
 
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Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:13 am linkquote
On the 64 smalldoor I have both a Crimaz anti dive and a Carbone shock set on lowest setting.
It is a little stiff but acceptable since the rear has PLC urathane bushings and another.
For those of you with closed 4 bolt wheels. Also have BGM iron front drum https://www.scooter-center.com/en/front-brake-hub-9-10-bgm-pro-cast-iron-vespa-smallframe-1963-1984-v50-n-v5a1t-v50-s-v5sa1t-v50-l-v5a1t-sr50-v5ss2t-4515-v50-r-v5a1t-752188-v90-v9a1t-3332266
And Newfren AntiAqua shoes.
Very linear braking for a drum. More than enough stopping power fed the Malossi 136 powered scooter.



Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:58 am

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Mon Jun 13, 2022 5:58 am linkquote
scootermarc69 wrote:
I can attest, anti-dive OR sport shock. Not both.
Sounds like the exact same for a Lambretta. Either use an anti-dive OR stiff springs, but not both.
Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:47 am

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1980 P200E - "Old Rusty", 1976 ET3 Primavera
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Mon Jun 20, 2022 5:47 am linkquote
I just can't get over how much better the scoot rides with this
Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:58 am

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125 GTR 1977, 50S 1975, GTS 125 Supertech 2021
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Tue Jun 21, 2022 11:58 am linkquote
Thanks I didn't know of this mod, huge improvement for the small frames! Jut ordered the BGM - Crimaz, Carbone … functionally all them seem like perfect clones.
Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:44 am

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Wed Jun 22, 2022 2:44 am linkquote
I have a doubt concerning the installation of the anti dive bracket, if anyone can clear it out?

No way to find instructions other than the Carbone version
https://www.scooter-center.com/media/image/34/93/45/Einbauanleitung_Instruction_.jpg

Am I reading correctly as not to install the 2 original spring washers? is this because of the bracket thickness leaves no room to tighten the nuts with the washers, no danger of loosening?

I guess the pin should be lubed no? sorry the basic questions but this seems a simple job that I'm doing myself, the "Italian like" English translation is not optimal...

Thanks!
Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:19 am

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Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:19 am linkquote
PSMA wrote:
Am I reading correctly as not to install the 2 original spring washers? is this because of the bracket thickness leaves no room to tighten the nuts with the washers, no danger of loosening?
Correct.
PSMA wrote:
I guess the pin should be lubed no? sorry the basic questions but this seems a simple job that I'm doing myself, the "Italian like" English translation is not optimal...

Thanks!
I definitely would. Also note I managed to keep the rubber o-ring on the hub (clutch) side of the front hub pin because it flares around the metal but i could not re-use the rubber o-ring on the hub side of the new rear pin (the clutch side of the shock) - it's the wrong size and prevented the thing from tightening down flush. The pin comes with a grease groove instead so I glooped that up before pushing the shock on

The instructions are bad - I was unable to mount the new pin on the bracket and shock first and hub second. I had to mount it on the hub first, then shock, then had my wife push down a bit on the front with the wheel mounted to get it to line up with the bracket hole.
Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:39 am

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Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:39 am linkquote
xantufrog wrote:
I definitely would. Also note I managed to keep the rubber o-ring on the hub (clutch) side of the front hub pin because it flares around the metal but i could not re-use the rubber o-ring on the hub side of the new rear pin (the clutch side of the shock) - it's the wrong size and prevented the thing from tightening down flush. The pin comes with a grease groove instead so I glooped that up before pushing the shock on

The instructions are bad - I was unable to mount the new pin on the bracket and shock first and hub second. I had to mount it on the hub first, then shock, then had my wife push down a bit on the front with the wheel mounted to get it to line up with the bracket hole.
Thanks for feedback! Cheers
Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:59 pm

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Wed Jun 22, 2022 3:59 pm linkquote
Crimaz had a video posted on Facebook IIRC. Try searching his videos.

Or maybe I was thinking of this one
Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:35 pm

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1980 P200E - "Old Rusty", 1976 ET3 Primavera
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Wed Jun 22, 2022 4:35 pm linkquote
His went together too easily. Just cgi

(Naw it was fine, just took a little cognitive flexibility)
Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:42 pm

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Wed Jun 22, 2022 6:42 pm linkquote
xantufrog wrote:
His went together too easily. Just cgi

(Naw it was fine, just took a little cognitive flexibility)
5 minute job max lol
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