Tue, 19 Jul 2022 21:34:45 +0000

Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
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Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
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Tue, 19 Jul 2022 21:34:45 +0000 linkquote
He has lived in VN part time for many years and knows exactly what this is and it has sentimental value to him so we're contemplating putting an LML in it. I'll let you know how it all turns out.
The only part of any value in the motor is the brand new, probably Taiwanese clutch. FWIW...
Wed, 20 Jul 2022 00:02:07 +0000

Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
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Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
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Wed, 20 Jul 2022 00:02:07 +0000 linkquote
This guy definitely has a sense of humor and is excited about riding this bike. He wants to take me to a bunch of VN restaurants and can't wait to show it off.
The 10" fork is in great shape, obviously not from the original bike. The frame with all the reinforcing filler applied seems to be solid enough for the job. I told him the filler will crack and fall off and he told me the then I'd just fix it.
Aside from the worn pedal post and the loose handle bar tubes, with a new motor and shocks it should be a fine I figure. An oxymoron.
Wed, 20 Jul 2022 00:37:19 +0000

Addicted
1968 VBB150
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Wed, 20 Jul 2022 00:37:19 +0000 linkquote
If you could maybe remove the tank and get a GoPro shot of the inside of the tunnel that would be sweet.
Wed, 20 Jul 2022 00:45:16 +0000

Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
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Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
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Wed, 20 Jul 2022 00:45:16 +0000 linkquote
I will. I'm putting it on hold for a bit.
Wed, 20 Jul 2022 12:08:59 +0000

Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
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Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
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Wed, 20 Jul 2022 12:08:59 +0000 linkquote
Definitely patched, and by what appears to be a seam at the front and the condition of the underside ( pretty clean metal where paint has chipped off) it looks like the floor was replaced . I judge it to be sound enough. They might have used some longer screws to hold the mat trim down...



Wed, 20 Jul 2022 19:07:15 +0000

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Wed, 20 Jul 2022 19:07:15 +0000 linkquote
That doesn't look bad. The patches look like they were welded flush with the surrounding metal with complete beads. Nothing wrong with that.
Wed, 20 Jul 2022 19:52:21 +0000

Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
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Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
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Wed, 20 Jul 2022 19:52:21 +0000 linkquote
orwell84 wrote:
That doesn't look bad. The patches look like they were welded flush with the surrounding metal with complete beads. Nothing wrong with that.
Yeah, it almost looks more mig than the usual schtick. I'll spray down the inside with Ospho at least.
It will never again be subjected to living outside in the tropical environment of VN.
Sun, 07 Aug 2022 15:52:44 +0000

Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
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Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
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Sun, 07 Aug 2022 15:52:44 +0000 linkquote
I figured the coil on the SS was acting up so I swapped in this gray one ( " WATYONG" ) that was on the Bodgy 150. It ran beautifully and then became hard to start and loss of spark. Turned out the plug clip was crimped onto the HT wire with the end of the core wire cut off flush ( not stripped and folded under the clip ) and no little tab to pierce the insulation. ( I am not sure if that's there just to keep the clip from pulling off or to also contact the core wire) It was just arcing to the clip until it got all burned up and lost contact. I properly installed a new clip and the SS is good to go.
I am planning on a really long ride at the end of the week and I am glad this came up before I left. I am taking another coil with me.





Thu, 18 Aug 2022 22:07:05 +0000

Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
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Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
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Thu, 18 Aug 2022 22:07:05 +0000 linkquote
One month later and the LML motor I ordered from India is apparently still there , unshipped and the expected delivery time has elapsed so I am requesting a refund and Ebay/Paypal should come through.
So the options are :
Put the old funky motor back together with a new axle/output shaft and a few other things and hope for the best This thing did run ( with noise) and was ridden briefly before I opened it up to replace the worn out axle.
Or, find a large frame 4-speed 150 I can just pop in and fiddle with or do a basic overhaul to run. Maybe one of you has one sitting around ? Also, if anyone knows a good source for an LML non-auto I'd be interested.
Thu, 18 Aug 2022 22:38:55 +0000

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Thu, 18 Aug 2022 22:38:55 +0000 linkquote
I have a lo mile electric start autolube LML motor in good condition If you feel like doing a bit more work...
Thu, 18 Aug 2022 22:48:44 +0000

Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
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Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
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Thu, 18 Aug 2022 22:48:44 +0000 linkquote
Thanks. I'll keep that in mind. It would be no big deal to delete both of those features.
Thu, 18 Aug 2022 23:09:44 +0000

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Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
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Thu, 18 Aug 2022 23:09:44 +0000 linkquote
I'd say maybe put some feelers out locally and see if you can't turn up a 3 or 4spd lump that needs a quick and dirty rebuild. there's gotta a east coast version of kajiit lurking about!
Thu, 18 Aug 2022 23:35:52 +0000

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Thu, 18 Aug 2022 23:35:52 +0000 linkquote
greasy125 wrote:
I'd say maybe put some feelers out locally and see if you can't turn up a 3 or 4spd lump that needs a quick and dirty rebuild. there's gotta a east coast version of kajiit lurking about!
Swiss?
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Mon, 19 Sep 2022 20:48:25 +0000

Style Maven
'74 50s x3 '78 P200 E '84 Cosa '91 PK50XL2 '58 AllState '68 Sprint '80 50special and a '66(?) Super125
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Mon, 19 Sep 2022 20:48:25 +0000 linkquote
How is this poor sad project coming along? I wish you were local & I could let you pick out an old engine in slightly better shape
Moto64 wrote:
....

The bonus score for me are the four sets of NOS yellow boots !!! I bet you can't get those from Scooter Mercato....
But a big THANK YOU for the yellow booties , it is exactly what I need make it official and to warn off any excited wanna be prospective buyers for my bodged 125 Super with LML motor and now on 10" wheels front and rear .


NO! Stay away.

Mon, 26 Sep 2022 17:58:08 +0000

Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
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Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
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Mon, 26 Sep 2022 17:58:08 +0000 linkquote
So...I am building new VLB motor. I have a DR so I am using that. He had a new 20/20 Spaco so I am using that as well. Should be fine for break in or maybe longer. This thing also came with a snazzy pipe which I assume is less restricting than stock.
The carb has a 38-120 idle, 160/E3/92 stack. The main is surely too small. Any suggestions on a starting point ? 105? 115?



Mon, 26 Sep 2022 18:20:45 +0000

Molto Verboso
1958 Allstate 177VMC, 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Mon, 26 Sep 2022 18:20:45 +0000 linkquote
Moto64 wrote:
Definitely patched, and by what appears to be a seam at the front and the condition of the underside ( pretty clean metal where paint has chipped off) it looks like the floor was replaced . I judge it to be sound enough. They might have used some longer screws to hold the mat trim down...
Where's that reinforcing bridge that goes in the tunnel at? This bike would be a breeze to rewire or recable with that thing missing!
Mon, 26 Sep 2022 18:25:17 +0000

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'74 50s x3 '78 P200 E '84 Cosa '91 PK50XL2 '58 AllState '68 Sprint '80 50special and a '66(?) Super125
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Mon, 26 Sep 2022 18:25:17 +0000 linkquote
I think your guess is in the ballpark. The Sprint I just shipped had a 20/20 carb, 110 main jet and seemed to run well though I did not try any WOT speed runs. Here's a stock jetting chart to give you some ideas.



Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:54:25 +0000

Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
Joined: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 02:39:40 +0000
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Molto Verboso
'64 Motovespa 150S (177) , '66 Allstate SF, '65 VBB, '66 180SS
Joined: Thu, 28 Mar 2013 02:39:40 +0000
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Location: S.Salem, NY
Wed, 28 Sep 2022 09:54:25 +0000 linkquote
Thanks, V. The Rally 180 with a 20/20 looks like a good comp.
Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:19:44 +0000

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Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:19:44 +0000 linkquote
I think anything you put together will go much better than trying to work with the engine that came with it.

Some of these bikes are really interesting. The people who do them have some good skills and are obviously capable of putting together a safe and serviceable bike…but they don't. They get them together as quickly as possible.

Stick welding sheet metal takes a delicate touch and there is nothing really wrong with welding in new sections, if it is done properly. Unfortunately, they don't, even though they could.

I would ride a generic composite vintage looking bike if the metal work were properly and it was safe…as long as it were sold as such rather than some rare vintage unicorn.
   

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