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Fri, 05 Aug 2022 15:07:14 +0000 quote
The competition is getting hot in the 3 wheeler world.

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Fri, 05 Aug 2022 15:59:02 +0000 quote
I ride my 2016 MP3 500ie sport for touring and racing around the local mountains; not so much for commuting.

Looking at the on-paper specifications I would take the Kymco CV3 due to the better parallel twin engine, better electrical reliability, and less complicated tilt lock system. Though I would miss the storage space of the Mp3, its offset by the superior performance and reliability of the Kymco.

But I do wonder about the exposed belt that drives the rear wheel. On the CV3 the belt is exposed to the elements while on the Mp3 the belt is somewhat (if not fully) covered. Its not really any different than dirt-bikes or other motos that have an exposed metal chain driving the rear wheel and those get along just fine. But on those chain driven bikes, the expectation is that the owner would be regularly cleaning and lubricating the drive chain.

Would the exposed drive belt of the Kymco CV3 wear out faster than the covered belt on the Mp3? Would we have to do more maintenance and inspections of the belt due to increased direct accumulation of dust and grit?

I do not ride off-road or on especially terrible roads (its a scooter, not an ADV) but I do go on long 1,000+ mile trips through the mountains which is where the superior engine of the CV3 would be a huge improvement.

PS: Yes, I'm aware I could just get a regular traditional motorcycle, but the wife fully believes a 3-wheeler is safer, etc so in deference to her I stay on 3-wheel fun. Also; I've noted that people tend to smile and wave when they see the Mp3 vs other bikes, so thats nice
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Fri, 05 Aug 2022 16:38:41 +0000 quote
Belt drives are essentially maintenance free, other than the prescribed replacement intervals. Thing along the lines of a timing belt on a car. Long lived and replaced seldomly.

No cleaning, lubing, greasing.

A few examples: Suzuki's Burgman 650 call for a replacement interval of 60Kmi/100K km. Can Am Spyder is listed at 50K mi/75K km. Compare that to Piaggio which calls for replacement at only 1/10th the interval and the reduced running cost is a no brainer.

However, just like tires a old belt needs replacement even if it has seen very low use.
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Fri, 05 Aug 2022 17:55:19 +0000 quote
sbaert wrote:
Belt drives are essentially maintenance free, other than the prescribed replacement intervals. Thing along the lines of a timing belt on a car. Long lived and replaced seldomly.

No cleaning, lubing, greasing.

A few examples: Suzuki's Burgman 650 call for a replacement interval of 60Kmi/100K km. Can Am Spyder is listed at 50K mi/75K km. Compare that to Piaggio which calls for replacement at only 1/10th the interval and the reduced running cost is a no brainer.

However, just like tires a old belt needs replacement even if it has seen very low use.
And for our American friends must add in all the harleys I have had in the past all had belts, and never once did I have a problem, for the moment going to stick with my new to me 2020 hpe 500 sport, and let all the rich people be test pilots for the first batch of Piaggio 530,s and Kymcos
Fri, 05 Aug 2022 19:31:25 +0000

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Fri, 05 Aug 2022 19:31:25 +0000 quote
You guys are confusing V-belts in a CVT (Piaggio) and toothed drive belts (final drive belts / timing belts etc).
The wear characteristics are completely different.
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But the Burgman uses a CVT, and yes I was aware about the toothed aspect.
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Fri, 05 Aug 2022 21:28:36 +0000 quote
sbaert wrote:
But the Burgman uses a CVT, and yes I was aware about the toothed aspect.
It's a different type of belt in the Burgman.

The GP800 and Aprilia RSV850 had CVTs but a final chain drive. That was the death of them - if it had been a low maintenance belt drive many more might have been bought.
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Fri, 05 Aug 2022 21:35:10 +0000 quote
jimc wrote:
You guys are confusing V-belts in a CVT (Piaggio) and toothed drive belts (final drive belts / timing belts etc).
The wear characteristics are completely different.
So could you give a few examples of these different belts and address the difference in reliability and efficiency?
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Fri, 05 Aug 2022 21:40:11 +0000 quote
Have you tried Google and/or Wikipedia???
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Fri, 05 Aug 2022 23:12:00 +0000 quote
YaYaDave wrote:
So could you give a few examples of these different belts and address the difference in reliability and efficiency?
V-belt in a CVT - the sides are continually sliding across the metal of the variator/clutch pulleys. This wears the belt down fairly quickly, in a matter of a hundred hours or so.

Serpentine timing belts just have the teeth engaging with very little friction even on those tooth surfaces, and they are often steel reinforced.. They last for a thousand hours or so. Same with final drive belts in HDs etc.

As above, a little googling might help here...
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Sat, 06 Aug 2022 00:25:32 +0000 quote
sbaert wrote:
But the Burgman uses a CVT, and yes I was aware about the toothed aspect.
WTF does a burgman have anything to do with the comparison between the MP3 and the Kymco 3 wheeler?
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Sat, 06 Aug 2022 00:47:22 +0000 quote
The exposed toothed belt is the final drive, the cvt is enclosed, swing arm, motor bolted to the frame, mounted further forward
The steering angle can be a bit tighter before the shakes set in

One of the limits of the scooter wheel/motor/transmission as unit design is as the motor gets bigger the weight bias moves further back or the unit gets longer

The extra weight of the CV3 is in spite of no tilt lock

Here's the parts fiche
https://www.bike-parts-kymco.uk/kymco-motorcycle/550-SCOOTER/CV3/CV3_550_4T_EURO_5/VARIATOR/246/33/0/246
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old as dirt wrote:
WTF does a burgman have anything to do with the comparison between the MP3 and the Kymco 3 wheeler?
Read post #2. Because somebody raised a concern about belt durability.
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Sat, 06 Aug 2022 07:34:53 +0000 quote
jimc wrote:
V-belt in a CVT - the sides are continually sliding across the metal of the variator/clutch pulleys. This wears the belt down fairly quickly, in a matter of a hundred hours or so.

Serpentine timing belts just have the teeth engaging with very little friction even on those tooth surfaces, and they are often steel reinforced.. They last for a thousand hours or so. Same with final drive belts in HDs etc.

As above, a little googling might help here...
Well thank you for that simple explanation, every day is a learning day, I was under the impression a belt was a belt
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