Wed Aug 03, 2022 12:05 pm

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Wed Aug 03, 2022 12:05 pm linkquote
This may be a stupid question. I was wondering if it was ok to mix gears from different engines…like taking 1st and second from one Stella engine and putting them on another. Both engines have stock LML gear boxes.
Wed Aug 03, 2022 1:30 pm

Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Wed Aug 03, 2022 1:30 pm linkquote
since they are both stella, it should be fine. you want to watch out for matching incompatible gears like EFL vs. non EFL transmission. as far as worrying about one part mated to another, I wouldn't. (like on a 4s where you want to match valve train parts back with the parts they bedded in with)
Wed Aug 03, 2022 1:36 pm

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Wed Aug 03, 2022 1:36 pm linkquote
sdjohn wrote:
since they are both stella, it should be fine. you want to watch out for matching incompatible gears like EFL vs. non EFL transmission. as far as worrying about one part mated to another, I wouldn't. (like on a 4s where you want to match valve train parts back with the parts they bedded in with)
Thank you!

That's kind of what I thought. You've got my number. I'm forever mind- locked with flat-4-isms.
Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:29 am

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Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:29 am linkquote
On closer inspection, the other gear set was not much better, except for 1st, which is the only one I swapped. It was good to look them over as I realized that even with a few dings, you can't really notice going down the road.

I checked the new crank again with the dial indicator, just in case I had been too gorilla handed driving on the bearing race. It was fine. Cleaned, bagged and tagged all the parts and hardware from the original Stella engine so I wouldn't lose anything. Good to have a couple engines to play with. Having a good supply of spare seals, bearings, piston rings and hardware would also be a good idea. It's frustrating to be stopped in your tracks waiting for parts.
Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:30 am

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Thu Aug 04, 2022 5:30 am linkquote
orwell84 wrote:
Having a good supply of spare seals, bearings, piston rings and hardware would also be a good idea. It's frustrating to be stopped in your tracks waiting for parts.
You've just taken that critical first step toward building your own parts dragon hoard, my friend...
Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:18 am

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Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:18 am linkquote
I'm working on having spare engines, because I have no more room for bikes.
Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:53 am

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Thu Aug 04, 2022 9:53 am linkquote
sdjohn wrote:
I'm working on having spare engines, because I have no more room for bikes.
3 bikes is enough for me. If I had found the P200 first, I would have stopped there. I'm definitely keeping them all; the P200 because I've always wanted one, the Stella because it's just so functional-anything goes and the VBB because it looks so vintage cool.

With my bus, I was more into the welding and body work aspect of it. The engine work came about because it is hard to find a well built type 4 engine. With Vespas, I have enjoyed the engine work more than I thought. It's much less of a time/money/workspace investment and parts are much easier to find.
Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:19 am

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Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:19 am linkquote
Did someone say P200, Stella, and VBB?


The white P200 is in Chris's garage now, and the VBB is an Allstate, but close

Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:58 am

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Thu Aug 04, 2022 10:58 am linkquote
qascooter wrote:
Did someone say P200, Stella, and VBB?
I see I'm in good company.
Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:16 pm

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Thu Aug 04, 2022 4:16 pm linkquote
Got the crank in, but not without some nail biting. Lost track of the conrod for a few turns and realized it had found its way into a recess in the case, so I had to gently tap it out a hair before continuing. Luckily I noticed and didn't put any pressure on the conrod.

Then the bolt broke off my crank puller , so I had to reweld it…I thought it was the crank threads letting go.

The crank looks straight. It turns smoothly throughout its rotation, but not like a crank that's been in a running engine. It takes more effort than that to turn, but not more or less effort in any particular spot. It doesn't seem to be rubbing on the seal or binding. I've never worked on anything with ball bearings, so I'm not sure how it should feel.

Thanks.

Just wondering if that's normal.


Oops







Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:20 am

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:20 am linkquote
Im thinking that the only possibilities with the crank are:

A. It's totally normal for a new crank in a new bearing to not twirl round and round with a finger tip or B.

B. It is somehow caught on the oil seal.

The oil seal spring looks like it's still in place but it's hard to see because there is grease in the way.

I am thinking of using the case splitter to back the crank out so I can look at the oil seal. If all looks good, I will reinstall the crank. I'm assuming I can still use the same bearing.

I know from my VW experience that things like the camshaft often need a little fore and aft tapping to seat it and get it spinning smoothly.

Any thoughts?

Many thank for all the help.
Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:47 am

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:47 am linkquote
You're fine. You can probably tap the crank a mm away from the clutch side and it'll spin more freely. It will seat itself properly once it's installed, too, but it's nice to know it's spinning freely before you seal the cases.

Also, don't forget that normally, you have a fair amount of leverage when you manually turn a crank using the clutch or flywheel, so it's going to seem stiffer in this scenario as a result.
Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:51 am

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:51 am linkquote
It's a good idea to rotate the crank frequently as you pull it in. That being said, I forgot to do it on my current engine I'm building. But the crank turns freely and the seal is on the outside on the old engines (easy to see), so I think I made it. I did, however, do the classic pull the con rod into interference with the case and then back it off thing. It's a good idea to secure the small end to a case stud so you don't do that.

Time to watch the Sausage engine rebuild videos again for a refresher
Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:57 am

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 5:57 am linkquote
sdjohn wrote:
I did, however, do the classic pull the con rod into interference with the case and then back it off thing.
I'm pretty sure that's a step in the Haynes manual, though. Yup...found it...page 97:
Quote:
17. refresh crank and seals.
18. draw crank into clutch side crankcase with the connecting rod hanging in a near-vertical position.
19. Curse creatively in the language(s) of your choice
20. Press crank back until connecting rod swings freely
21. Stress as to whether the crank was damaged
22. Repeat step 19 while holding the connecting rod at or near horizontal using Factory Tool #297u992 (3x27mm rubber securing ring).
sdjohn wrote:
It's a good idea to secure the small end to a case stud so you don't do that.
Step 22. Right there!
Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:12 am

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:12 am linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
I'm pretty sure that's a step in the Haynes manual, though. Yup...found it...page 97:





Step 22. Right there!
OOOPS, I used a zip tie.
Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:18 am

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:18 am linkquote
Christopher_55934 wrote:
OOOPS, I used a zip tie.
aaand its ruined
Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:29 am

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:29 am linkquote
Thank you!

I really appreciate the reassurance.

I knew about the conrod thing but I had the usual brain surgery, disarming a land mine jitters I get with a first engine build. I'm glad I'm not the only one who has made this mistake.

Just to quiet the OCD demon within, I put the dial indicator on the fly side bearing race and it was dead nuts.

Onward.
Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:53 am

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:53 am linkquote
It's always hard on the nerves when working on an engine you have no experience on. Lots of pictures from disassembly, helpful advice from the internet and parts diagrams get you a long way though.
Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:56 am

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:56 am linkquote
FINYoshi wrote:
aaand its ruined
Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:12 am

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:12 am linkquote
FINYoshi wrote:
It's always hard on the nerves when working on an engine you have no experience on. Lots of pictures from disassembly, helpful advice from the internet and parts diagrams get you a long way though.
Nice helpful community here for sure. I have really appreciated all the hand holding.

As much as I want to get on the road, I am mostly enjoying this part of it. Nothing like going down the road with something that was once a pile of parts on your coffee table knowing that everything is right.
Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:19 am

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 7:19 am linkquote
FINYoshi wrote:
aaand its ruined
Lost some coffee on that one!
Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:13 pm

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 4:13 pm linkquote
orwell84 wrote:
Im thinking that the only possibilities with the crank are:

A. It's totally normal for a new crank in a new bearing to not twirl round and round with a finger tip or B.

B. It is somehow caught on the oil seal.

The oil seal spring looks like it's still in place but it's hard to see because there is grease in the way.

I am thinking of using the case splitter to back the crank out so I can look at the oil seal. If all looks good, I will reinstall the crank. I'm assuming I can still use the same bearing.

I know from my VW experience that things like the camshaft often need a little fore and aft tapping to seat it and get it spinning smoothly.

Any thoughts?

Many thank for all the help.
New grease will create the friction you're feeling by finger. It's normal.
If the crank were rubbing the seal it would not be a smooth-yet-heavy spin.

Probably wouldn't spin at all.
Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:05 pm

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Fri Aug 05, 2022 6:05 pm linkquote
Ray8 wrote:
New grease will create the friction you're feeling by finger. It's normal.
If the crank were rubbing the seal it would not be a smooth-yet-heavy spin.

Probably wouldn't spin at all.
Thanks. That's good to know. Makes sense. An auto crank with oil turns smoothly, with assembly lube it turns heavy. Grease would make it feel even more like that.

I will leave it in place and keep going.
Sun Aug 07, 2022 9:23 am

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Sun Aug 07, 2022 9:23 am linkquote
Just about ready to seal/close the cases. I am going to use grease except for that lip between the gearbox and crank area which supposedly is a weak spot for sealing accordingly to the FMP videos I watched. In that area I will use permatex aviation or loctite flange sealant or whatever.

I think the idea is to keep that section of gasket from shifting when the cases are mated.

The sealant I use on bus cases is some spendy stuff Porsche guys use. It's a bitch to get off when you are like: Did I install the/measure the thingie? Where's that washer? which is pretty much every engine build. It doesn't use a gasket.

I have read that hand sanitizer is great for getting off old sealant. Many are alcohol based, but liquid alcohol evaporates before it gets much off.


Studs look like they are in the wrong way? Should be long threads towards head?

Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:23 am

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Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:23 am linkquote
Short threads go into case, long threads are for head.
Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:31 am

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Sun Aug 07, 2022 10:31 am linkquote
SoCalGuy wrote:
Short threads go into case, long threads are for head.
Thanks.
Mon Aug 08, 2022 4:20 am

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Mon Aug 08, 2022 4:20 am linkquote
Got the case together and everything turns smoothly. The usual shenanigans of scrambling with the whatever that wouldn't let it go together. Was the kickstart quadrant needing a little wiggle to find it's home.

So I guess my next thing is to mock up the piston and cylinder to see how it ends up and how much squish I get. I'm sure there is more to it than that. I have gone through a similar process with setting the compression ratio on 4 stroke engines, but I know on 2 strokes, this also adjusts port timing.

I'm also going to find TDC and make timing marks.


Just about to pop my Vespa cherry…I'm a late bloomer.

Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:30 am

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Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:30 am linkquote
Got the studs out and messed up 2 of them. The double nutting thing doesn't work that well on such small hardware. I have some good ones in the parts bin.

I have been sidetracked by a bad bus alternator…expensive rebuilt Bosch unit that started rumbling after only 5000 miles in service. At first I thought it was the engine making all that noise, so it's a relief it's just the alternator. DIY-ing it because rebuilt units suck and I need the bus for moving.


Fun!


Found a local bearing house. That will come in handy for the scooter too.


Separating and drifting bearings is a new and useful skill set. It's all ball bearings these days, as the saying goes.

Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:33 am

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Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:33 am linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
You've just taken that critical first step toward building your own parts dragon hoard, my friend...
it gets dangerous quickly. don't fall for buying parts lots! you'll be stuck with crash bars and odd stuff for ages! then 20 yrs later, you'll sell it or wish you still had it...
Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:34 am

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Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:34 am linkquote
sdjohn wrote:
I'm working on having spare engines, because I have no more room for bikes.
kajiit has his best guys working on your order full time!

the tech line is always available!
Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:43 am

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Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:43 am linkquote
orwell84 wrote:
Got the studs out and messed up 2 of them. The double nutting thing doesn't work that well on such small hardware. I have some good ones in the parts bin.

I have been sidetracked by a bad bus alternator…expensive rebuilt Bosch unit that started rumbling after only 5000 miles in service. At first I thought it was the engine making all that noise, so it's a relief it's just the alternator. DIY-ing it because rebuilt units suck and I need the bus for moving.
aw man, that sucks! but at least you were able to find the bearings local!

a good bearing/seal shop is great to have. the guy I deal with is awesome, but he gets a little pedantic sometimes so I always come armed with exactly the size, and to what specification I need, which he appreciates. because in his words: you work on some weird ass shit man.
Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:51 am

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Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:51 am linkquote
greasy125 wrote:
aw man, that sucks! but at least you were able to find the bearings local!

a good bearing/seal shop is great to have. the guy I deal with is awesome, but he gets a little pedantic sometimes so I always come armed with exactly the size, and to what specification I need, which he appreciates. because in his words: you work on some weird ass shit man.
This was a woman on the phone and same one working the counter. She knew that shit cold. Quoted me a mid range and I said I wanted the thing to be smooth as buttah…so she pointed me toward SKF. Anything to quiet down that old crate is worth it.
Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:54 am

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Sat Aug 13, 2022 11:54 am linkquote
orwell84 wrote:
This was a woman on the phone and same one working the counter. She knew that shit cold. Quoted me a mid range and I said I wanted the thing to be smooth as buttah…so she pointed me toward SKF. Anything to quiet down that old crate is worth it.
that's awesome. take her a cold 6er of choice brew!
Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:04 pm

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Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:04 pm linkquote
greasy125 wrote:
that's awesome. take her a cold 6er of choice brew!
Agreed. I have to figure out her beverage of choice. The local machinist here can't do much for me with the weird stuff I bring him but sometimes will measure something and does a first rate cylinder hone. He fixed some buggered threads on a VBC lay shaft and didn't charge me so I gave him a $20 as he does not drink.
Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:43 pm

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Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:43 pm linkquote
orwell84 wrote:
Agreed. I have to figure out her beverage of choice. The local machinist here can't do much for me with the weird stuff I bring him but sometimes will measure something and does a first rate cylinder hone. He fixed some buggered threads on a VBC lay shaft and didn't charge me so I gave him a $20 as he does not drink.
for friends that don't drink, buying lunch or even a gift card to a restaurant is a solid move. you can never go wrong with a 12 rack of Topo Chico or some fancy bubbly water!

I had a buddy of mine weld up a cast iron exhaust manifold-- A) that's one thing I'm acutely aware of that I cannot do no matter how hard I try. B) it was extremely rare and valuable.

then he refused to take any money from me, the jerk! he's been sober 20+ years, so I took him a vintage right of way running lamp for his old 40's truck and left it on his desk when he wasn't looking. dude hasn't charged me for little basic work since.

sometimes it's just a little gesture that makes it all work right!
Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:48 pm

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Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:48 pm linkquote
greasy125 wrote:
for friends that don't drink, buying lunch or even a gift card to a restaurant is a solid move. you can never go wrong with a 12 rack of Topo Chico or some fancy bubbly water!

I had a buddy of mine weld up a cast iron exhaust manifold-- A) that's one thing I'm acutely aware of that I cannot do no matter how hard I try. B) it was extremely rare and valuable.

then he refused to take any money from me, the jerk! he's been sober 20+ years, so I took him a vintage right of way running lamp for his old 40's truck and left it on his desk when he wasn't looking. dude hasn't charged me for little basic work since.

sometimes it's just a little gesture that makes it all work right!
Yes! It's important to show appreciation and never be a cheap ass. Sincere appreciation goes a long way, in all things. Helping a stranger with a missing part to complete a project is also one of the best feelings ever.
Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:56 pm

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Sat Aug 13, 2022 12:56 pm linkquote
chandlerman wrote:
You've just taken that critical first step toward building your own parts dragon hoard, my friend...
I'm kind of surprised, really. I have only been at this a year. As I was boxing up bus and Vespa parts for moving, I was shocked to see how much of them were scooter parts. It's really the only way to keep old transportation like this running. Especially when you need a part of a part that is NLA.
Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:16 am

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Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:16 am linkquote
greasy125 wrote:
because in his words: you work on some weird ass shit man.
If it wasn't weird, it wouldn't be interesting enough to be a good hobby.
orwell84 wrote:
I'm kind of surprised, really. I have only been at this a year. As I was boxing up bus and Vespa parts for moving, I was shocked to see how much of them were scooter parts.
It's amazing how fast the accumulate, but once you get to the point that you can do pretty much any normal maintenance task on no notice and then refill stock by throwing extras in the next go-fast parts order, it's pretty handy.

I need to sort out organizing, because I've definitely outgrown my "top drawer is seals & gaskets, next drawer is clutch & brakes, next drawer is regulators" and so on. And I'm not ready to face my shelves. Or the baskets of used parts from various projects that just need sorting.
Sun Aug 14, 2022 3:01 pm

Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
Joined: 21 Oct 2005
Posts: 11843
Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
 
Sergeant at Arms
Weird 80's Vespas & Cool Vintage Lambrettas
Joined: 21 Oct 2005
Posts: 11843
Location: The state of insanity, SoCal
Sun Aug 14, 2022 3:01 pm linkquote
when you get to that point where friends call/text on Friday nights and long weekends with the: hey do you have this: seal, gasket, carb part, jet, cable or an extra [blank] you know that the drawer system has long been abandoned and you are now in shelving, bins and boxes territory.

but nothing delights me more than when somebody asks something like: hey I need a clutch pressure plate, you have one? and I say yeah, which one do you need? and you want a clip and plunger and o-ring to go with? need some plates? what else? yeah, I'm just listening to the game, I'll be here till at least 10 or come on by tomorrow.
Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:41 am

Molto Verboso
Joined: 14 Oct 2016
Posts: 1169
Location: northern New York
 
Molto Verboso
Joined: 14 Oct 2016
Posts: 1169
Location: northern New York
Thu Aug 18, 2022 10:41 am linkquote
Got the alternator fixed and it's working great. I had to take the rotor out of an old one I had and file the slip rings smooth because the shaft on the rebuilt one was too worn. A lesson in never throwing anything away.

I will get back the to Stella engine soon. I began moving my parts hoard to the new place. Mostly bus stuff. 4 piston and cylinder sets in there at least.







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