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Tue, 20 Sep 2022 11:49:23 +0000

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Tue, 20 Sep 2022 11:49:23 +0000 quote
Hi,

I've seen replacement chassis in eBay and from SIP. I wanted to know how to go about legitimately getting the VIN number stamped into the frame.

Cheers
Tue, 20 Sep 2022 12:35:22 +0000

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Tue, 20 Sep 2022 12:35:22 +0000 quote
I'm really not sure how that is done and I guess it depends on where you are located. I considered this briefly as it's possible to buy a new Stella chassis in North America. If you have a really rusty bike, the cost can be a no brainer. The Stella chassis are quite sturdy and I wouldn't hesitate to use one.

I would either buy a set of stamps and hammer in the VIN or cut the numbered section out of the old chassis and weld it in. I think you can buy stamps in the correct font.
Where I live, they wouldn't notice or care, but I guess in some places they'd through you in jail.
Tue, 20 Sep 2022 14:14:06 +0000

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Tue, 20 Sep 2022 14:14:06 +0000 quote
Forgery? Felony? Everything about this is illegal, at least in the US.

https://nyccriminalattorney.com/forgery-and-possession-of-an-unlawful-vehicle-identification-number-vin-in-new-york/
Tue, 20 Sep 2022 14:21:49 +0000

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Tue, 20 Sep 2022 14:21:49 +0000 quote
When I bought a new motorcycle frame in the UK the frame comes already stamped with a frame number so you have to re-register the machine as far as I know.
Tue, 20 Sep 2022 22:39:20 +0000

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Tue, 20 Sep 2022 22:39:20 +0000 quote
I'm sure there is a legal way to do it.
Tue, 20 Sep 2022 22:50:44 +0000

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Tue, 20 Sep 2022 22:50:44 +0000 quote
I'd stamp VIN from rusty frame onto new frame, cut number panel out of old frame and destroy old cutout piece.
Tue, 20 Sep 2022 22:57:38 +0000

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Tue, 20 Sep 2022 22:57:38 +0000 quote
While you are at it, stamp the vin from a really rare scooter into the new frame. I mean, what the hell right? That way, when you get arrested at least you'll have made a few dollars.

If I bought that scooter, with the doctored serial number, I don't know who I call first, my attorney or the police. Probably the police.
Tue, 20 Sep 2022 23:12:16 +0000

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Tue, 20 Sep 2022 23:12:16 +0000 quote
garncarz wrote:
While you are at it, stamp the vin from a really rare scooter into the new frame. I mean, what the hell right? That way, when you get arrested at least you'll have made a few dollars.

If I bought that scooter, with the doctored serial number, I don't know who I call first, my attorney or the police. Probably the police.
What do you think happens when a bent frame on a motorcycle is replaced? Harley provided a frame with same VIN already stamped, when I went to dealer, I surrendered old section of frame in neck with VIN stamped in it. Nothing illegal about it, this is common practice on rebuilt motorcycles.
Tue, 20 Sep 2022 23:58:24 +0000

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Tue, 20 Sep 2022 23:58:24 +0000 quote
Correct, the factory provided you a replacement frame with their Vin number on it. You can't just get a blank frame and transfer a Vin number to it.
Wed, 21 Sep 2022 00:39:01 +0000

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Wed, 21 Sep 2022 00:39:01 +0000 quote
garncarz wrote:
While you are at it, stamp the vin from a really rare scooter into the new frame. I mean, what the hell right? That way, when you get arrested at least you'll have made a few dollars.

If I bought that scooter, with the doctored serial number, I don't know who I call first, my attorney or the police. Probably the police.
Lucky for me then that you don't know where i live...
Wed, 21 Sep 2022 01:08:21 +0000

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Wed, 21 Sep 2022 01:08:21 +0000 quote
https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registration

Seems doable easily enough.

In the end the government agency just want somebody to be responsible for ownership and pay the taxes.
Wed, 21 Sep 2022 15:23:21 +0000

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Wed, 21 Sep 2022 15:23:21 +0000 quote
Motorcycles and scooters are probably the only vehicles that you would/could replace an entire chassis or frame.

It's kind of like the old story about the axe. If you replace the handle and later replace the head, is it still the same axe? If you rebuild all the rusty sheet metal around a VIN plate, is it still the same scooter? How much of the original chassis do you have to keep for it to be considered the same machine?

I think it's very different if you are trying to pass off something as something else. If I rebadge my Stella and tell everyone it's a Vespa…no big deal. If I try to sell it as such, that is clearly illegal and unethical.
Wed, 21 Sep 2022 16:01:16 +0000

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Wed, 21 Sep 2022 16:01:16 +0000 quote
I have the case with my last purchase, rust came on the VIN number, at the point that it was impossible to save it. This part has been cut and replaced with new metal, I bought at SIP some punches + the star punch. I kept pictures of the original number in case of problems
Wed, 21 Sep 2022 17:41:00 +0000

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Wed, 21 Sep 2022 17:41:00 +0000 quote
Always depends on the country and laws. Here, you can register a new frame only if the bike is up to 10 years old. It can be done only through an official dealership. They first make a report on why you need a frame replacement, then get all paperwork, including an invoice of the new frame to our "DMV" along with the old VIN cut off the old frame and then you have 30 days to present the whole bike to be inspected. After it passes inspection, they stamp the new frame with the bike's plate number and issue the new papers...

If it's older than 10 years, forget it. No legit way to do it...
Wed, 21 Sep 2022 17:41:58 +0000

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Wed, 21 Sep 2022 17:41:58 +0000 quote
garncarz wrote:
It's not illegal if you legitimately purchase a new frame and make sure you get the manufacturers statement of origin with it. And you have a valid proof of ownership on the engine number you are putting into it. Each state has different rules with a similar process of applying for a new VIN number as a custom built motorcycle. It's a lot of showing records of purchases with proof of legitimate ownership for the parts used, plus an inspection from the local police and the nearest DMV field investigation location (for NYS) prior to getting an official VIN.

https://dmv.ny.gov/forms/vs100.pdf

So you would stamp the newly issued VIN number into your new frame, not the old VIN number.
Thu, 22 Sep 2022 00:09:43 +0000

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OP is in England. Armchair enforcer is stateside.
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