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Tue, 15 Nov 2022 11:51:28 +0000 quote
Great job !!
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Thu, 17 Nov 2022 15:01:08 +0000 quote
Cable and wire routing inside the headset:
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Fri, 18 Nov 2022 00:25:09 +0000 quote
Push in that throttle cable end
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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 04:10:00 +0000 quote
Having a cable trunnion on the throttle cable on that end is weird. I've never seen that before.
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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 04:23:43 +0000 quote
"Having a cable trunnion on the throttle cable on that end is weird. I've never seen that before."

https://www.scootermercato.com/Scooter-Parts/Cable-Bits/TH-PB
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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 07:08:33 +0000 quote
nomadinsiam wrote:
Having a cable trunnion on the throttle cable on that end is weird. I've never seen that before.
Large carb setups will most likely use that cable setup…

I feel it's the easiest to adjust and get the exact length and tension you want.
Sat, 19 Nov 2022 07:10:19 +0000

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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 07:10:19 +0000 quote
Wouldn't that go at the carb end and not in the hole of the throttle pulley? I've always only seen a round cast head with the cable end embedded in it.



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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 07:26:25 +0000 quote
nomadinsiam wrote:
Wouldn't that go at the carb end and not in the hole of the throttle pulley? I've always only seen a round cast head with the cable end embedded in it.
Goes on the throttle end.

With the cast cable, you can't cut to length (well you can, but it's a bit of work…)

With the cable in your image, the inner and outer are fixed pretty much.

With the trunnion, some folks solder the cable too for extra strength.
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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 07:40:03 +0000 quote
Interesting. On my small frame, I use a gear cable with a small trunnion at the carb. The cast end goes in the pulley hole in the headset.

The GS/SS are fixed length inner and outer with a larger cast end for the pulley and a small cast end for the carb end.
Sat, 19 Nov 2022 23:07:52 +0000

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Sat, 19 Nov 2022 23:07:52 +0000 quote
I use a pinch nut in the same basic setup, but with a larger pulley on both my smallie and my GL. You need the larger radius to get enough throw for the big carbs, and as others noted, it's the only way to get any meaningful adjustment.

Also, on the largeframe, it's an extra-long throttle cable so it'll reach.
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Mon, 21 Nov 2022 22:34:54 +0000 quote
I just prefer to use the cables that have a cast small nipple on the carb side. On a smallie SHB it's ok to use big clamp nipple, but on "real" carbs there is no room for it.

But boy oh boy. Goodies are finally here
Crank and something to mount on both ends.
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Thu, 24 Nov 2022 20:57:42 +0000 quote
Meanwhile on the budget 200 side. Got the Polinibox to replace the stock one.


Is it just me and my old Malossi that has the exhaust stub slightly angled more towards outside or is it a common thing?


Even pushing by hand is not enough to line up the mounting holes.


Introduced the exhaust to my angle grinder and took a wedge out to get the box high enough. Now it's just matter of welding it back together.


I'll likely have to also fit a slimmer spring for the cemter stand return...
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Fri, 25 Nov 2022 20:36:42 +0000 quote
Spring is not the only problem. The support of center stand is also fouling on the exhaust. Maybe it's just time to order that side stand.


Put on couple tacks, removed and laid some bead to fill the cut. Threw the box back in and checked that there is no tension before tightening the clamp.
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Fri, 25 Nov 2022 21:35:06 +0000 quote
FINYoshi wrote:
Spring is not the only problem. The support of center stand is also fouling on the exhaust. Maybe it's just time to order that side stand.
You could move the center stand to forward of that rib with an MRP bracket (SIP) or make your own. More stable with the stand at that position as well.


Included a side stand on mine.





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Fri, 25 Nov 2022 23:38:29 +0000 quote
Ray8 wrote:
You could move the center stand to forward of that rib with an MRP bracket (SIP) or make your own. More stable with the stand at that position as well.
I made some brackets like this for my GL, as well. Works great.
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Sat, 26 Nov 2022 02:46:26 +0000 quote
Ray8 wrote:
You could move the center stand to forward of that rib with an MRP bracket (SIP) or make your own. More stable with the stand at that position as well.
What's the top bracket attach to on the frame?
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Sat, 26 Nov 2022 17:23:12 +0000 quote
108 wrote:
What's the top bracket attach to on the frame?
It doesn't attach to the frame there. The original center stand bolts hold the bracket. Stand and spring to bracket only.
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Sat, 26 Nov 2022 21:49:07 +0000 quote
FINYoshi wrote:
Spring is not the only problem. The support of center stand is also fouling on the exhaust. Maybe it's just time to order that side stand.


Put on couple tacks, removed and laid some bead to fill the cut. Threw the box back in and checked that there is no tension before tightening the clamp.

I went the easy route and simply bought the MRP bracket for my Allstate. You can scroll to page 4 to see it in the thread below...

Project 61 Allstate 200 (now 208) with 2020 updates (Page 4)
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Sun, 27 Nov 2022 21:58:34 +0000 quote
whodatschrome wrote:
I went the easy route and simply bought the MRP bracket for my Allstate. You can scroll to page 4 to see it in the thread below...

Project 61 Allstate 200 (now 208) with 2020 updates (Page 4)
Nice! Did you drill extra holes for the mount?
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Sun, 27 Nov 2022 23:35:12 +0000 quote
FINYoshi wrote:
Nice! Did you drill extra holes for the mount?
For the little stainless "exhaust spring hanger" bracket? No, both the MRP plate and the SIP bracket both had multiple holes predrilled in them. I did have to oval out a hole a little bit so that they would line up though.
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Mon, 28 Nov 2022 07:56:20 +0000 quote
Ray8 wrote:
It doesn't attach to the frame there. The original center stand bolts hold the bracket. Stand and spring to bracket only.
Ah got you… from the photo looked like 2 separate pieces
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Mon, 28 Nov 2022 16:39:22 +0000 quote
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For the little stainless "exhaust spring hanger" bracket? No, both the MRP plate and the SIP bracket both had multiple holes predrilled in them. I did have to oval out a hole a little bit so that they would line up though.
In the frame. The plate mounts up on original stand holes, but are there new holes needed on the other side of the rib?
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Mon, 28 Nov 2022 16:45:26 +0000 quote
FINYoshi wrote:
In the frame. The plate mounts up on original stand holes, but are there new holes needed on the other side of the rib?
There are no additional new holes to be made. The front part of the plate just kinda "floats" against the floorboard. And that's why i installed a thin rubber sheet in between the floating portion of the plate on my project (you have to look close in my pictures to see it...if you can even see it at all).
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Mon, 28 Nov 2022 16:49:22 +0000 quote
That's just the thing I had in my mind. It's kinda bad place to just float around since sand will get between plate and the frame. Along vibration it will rub off the paint and recipe for rust is ready.

Center stand is essential for looks but I think I'm starting to lean towards a side stand. Pun intended
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Sat, 31 Dec 2022 07:58:50 +0000 quote
Since the ready re-location plates seem to be kind of half-ready products, I found the motivation to fab my own. Found a nice little profile plate from my scrap metal pin that originates from a CT device cabinet where it was used to mount an UPS.

Measure, cut, punch and drill couple holes


Dry-fit, rinse and repeat


Nice room for captive nuts.
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