Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:02 pm

Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
 
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Location: Snohomish, WA
Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:02 pm linkquote
The engine starts and runs! I finished hooking up all the wiring and everything works except for the headlight. What the heck? Turns out that the problem was with the stupid expensive repop of the original teardrop handlebar switch.

Problem #1: With the teardrop switch in the "headlight on" position, the switch arm did not actually make contact with the terminal that goes to the headlight. I had to remove the switch and check the continuity of every switch position before I figured out this one.

Problem #2: The high/low beam switch did not work correctly. Switching on one direction worked correctly, but the other direction did not make the spring contact move correctly.

I fixed both problems with strategically placed blobs of solder.









Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:09 pm

Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
Joined: 21 May 2012
Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
 
Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:09 pm linkquote
Here she stands. Engine running reasonable well but needs some tuning. All lights work now. I need to do a little more assembly before going for a ride.



Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:44 am

Molto Verboso
Vespas 1964 GS160, 1965 SS180, 1977 V9A1T, 1983 PX150E
Joined: 16 Apr 2011
Posts: 1734
Location: Siam
 
Molto Verboso
Vespas 1964 GS160, 1965 SS180, 1977 V9A1T, 1983 PX150E
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Posts: 1734
Location: Siam
Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:44 am linkquote
So, you painted it. Whyd you paint it? You know itd have been worth a lot more unrestored. 😆

Anyway, its looks really nice.
Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:19 am

El Presidente Del Topo Chico
VNB VSC VBC VSX
Joined: 28 May 2008
Posts: 4966
Location: Hustletown, TX
 
El Presidente Del Topo Chico
VNB VSC VBC VSX
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Posts: 4966
Location: Hustletown, TX
Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:19 am linkquote
Great job on the electrical... well sorted!

And great color choice. Looks ace!
Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:21 am

Hooked
GS-150 VS4
Joined: 04 Feb 2020
Posts: 141
Location: Vallejo, CA
 
Hooked
GS-150 VS4
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Posts: 141
Location: Vallejo, CA
Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:21 am linkquote
You gotta love those bugle head phillips screws. You can countersink them right into them brass thingies.
Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:42 pm

Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
Joined: 21 May 2012
Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
 
Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:42 pm linkquote
nomadinsiam wrote:
So, you painted it. Whyd you paint it? You know itd have been worth a lot more unrestored. 😆
LOL, I was waiting for someone to say that! I knew it was coming!
Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:48 pm

Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
 
Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Location: Snohomish, WA
Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:48 pm linkquote
On to the seat
Astute observers will remember that my scoot originally came to me with a bench seat. I decided to go the saddle and buddy seat route and the Allstate boat anchor came with a decent but rusty saddle seat frame. Rather than media blast it or something else, I decided to go the electrolysis route to clean up the rust. I let it cook for a few days and it certainly did the job in removing the worst of it. There are still some areas still rusted but I'll clean that up by hand.











Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:49 pm

Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
 
Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Location: Snohomish, WA
Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:49 pm linkquote
When I was removing the grab rail, I broke off one of the studs so I'll have to grind it out and weld in a new one.



Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:28 pm

Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
 
Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Location: Snohomish, WA
Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:28 pm linkquote
Ok, so I drilled out the old stud, not grind.





Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:31 pm

Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
Joined: 21 May 2012
Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
 
Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:31 pm linkquote
I ordered a new taillight gasket, this time from Scooterworks and what do you know? It's the right size? It's actually a little smaller than the old one I had, but it fits really well. Finally the taillight is in!





Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:35 pm

Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
 
Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
Tue Nov 03, 2020 9:35 pm linkquote
A few more fiddly little things. For some reason, the mixture screw on the 20/20 carb was way too long and stuck out hole in the airbox. I took it out, cut it back to the second set of hex flats and cut a new screwdriver slot. Now it fits in the airbox and I can put the plug back in.







Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:16 am

Molto Verboso
2007 Stella 225
Joined: 02 Nov 2019
Posts: 1744
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
 
Molto Verboso
2007 Stella 225
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Posts: 1744
Location: Rochester, Minnesota
Wed Nov 04, 2020 2:16 am linkquote
flyngti wrote:
A few more fiddly little things. For some reason, the mixture screw on the 20/20 carb was way too long and stuck out hole in the airbox. I took it out, cut it back to the second set of hex flats and cut a new screwdriver slot. Now it fits in the airbox and I can put the plug back in.
On some models you can't get to the screw from behind with a screw driver. This allows you to, get to the screw, from the top. People cut them off just like you did if not needed.
Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:45 pm

Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
Joined: 21 May 2012
Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
 
Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:45 pm linkquote
Christopher_55934 wrote:
On some models you can't get to the screw from behind with a screw driver. This allows you to, get to the screw, from the top. People cut them off just like you did if not needed.
Makes sense. I was wondering why that screw had 2 sets of hex flats.
Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:54 pm

Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
 
Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Location: Snohomish, WA
Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:54 pm linkquote
My old speedometer has this slot on the side where the original light was supposed to go. Voodoo had an old clamshell speedo that still had the light and I was definitely interested to see what was behind that cover. I was surprised to see this hokey setup of 2 small bubs soldered together with a wire. Original or not? Who knows. It does give me an idea of how to replace the light on my own speedometer though.









Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:57 pm

Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
 
Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:57 pm linkquote
Seat frame painted, new cover, grab handle and Aquila badge installed







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Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:58 pm

Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
Joined: 21 May 2012
Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
 
Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
Mon Nov 09, 2020 7:58 pm linkquote
So close, oh so close...



Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:01 pm

Style Maven
74 50s x3 78 P200 x2 84 Cosa PK50XL2 58 AllState 68 Sprint 80 50special '66(?) Super125
Joined: 22 Nov 2010
Posts: 8202
Location: seattle/athens
 
Style Maven
74 50s x3 78 P200 x2 84 Cosa PK50XL2 58 AllState 68 Sprint 80 50special '66(?) Super125
Joined: 22 Nov 2010
Posts: 8202
Location: seattle/athens
Mon Nov 09, 2020 10:01 pm linkquote
So pretty, oh so pretty!
Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:09 pm

Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
 
Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Location: Snohomish, WA
Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:09 pm linkquote
It took a while to round up all the needed bits. but I finally finished lighting the speedometer. More details in this post http://modernvespa.com/forum/post2439470







Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:38 pm

Ossessionato
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Tue Nov 17, 2020 10:38 pm linkquote
flyngti wrote:
It took a while to round up all the needed bits. but I finally finished lighting the speedometer. More details in this post http://modernvespa.com/forum/post2439470
Very creative solution. There is nothing better than having an illuminate speedometer in any sort of vehicle, let alone an old Vespa. It just seems to bring life and warms to the whole scooter!
Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:58 pm

Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
Joined: 21 May 2012
Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
 
Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Location: Snohomish, WA
Sat Dec 05, 2020 7:58 pm linkquote
First ride...
My first ride was not good.

The engine started and everything was fine until I put it in gear and released the clutch. There was a loud horrible screeching sound. Hindsight is 20/20 and I should have just stopped to see what was the issue. Instead, I just kept on going. After a few laps, the front end got really loose and it felt like the front wheel was going to fall off. It felt this way because literally, the front wheel was about to fall off!

Turns out that when I assembled the front fork, I did not torque the front axle nut. I can only imagine that I was waiting for final assembly to tighten the nut with the front wheel on the ground. Back in the shop, I tightened the nut, but then the wheel would not turn. Huh? What the heck? I took the front axle back off and after looking at the part diagram, I realized my noob mistake. I was missing part 15982, the $2.82 spacer washer. I dug around in my parts bin but the one I removed was nowhere to be found. Scootermercato to the rescue with a new spacer. I also took the opportunity to get a new felt packing ring. Front axle is now good to go.





Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:07 pm

Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
 
Hooked
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Location: Snohomish, WA
Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:07 pm linkquote
And what about that screeching sound?
To get to the bottom of the clutch noise. I put the scooter on its side and pulled the clutch. Access is surprisingly good and I had that clutch out in less than 20 minutes.

I opened the clutch and found a chewed up metal plate and a bunch of burnt corks. Huh? What the heck! Again I dig around in my parts bin and what do I find? Inside a ziplock bag is my OTHER clutch -- the one with the new corks lubed and ready to be installed. Somehow, when I put this motor together all those years ago, I must have grabbed the wrong clutch to install!

With the proper clutch installed, my bike can finally move under it's own power!







Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:18 pm

Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
Joined: 21 May 2012
Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
 
Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:18 pm linkquote
Ok, another noobie mistake
After my first ride with the proper clutch, the shifting was really screwy and I figured it was just loose cables. Turns out I had the gear cables swapped. The cable ends were frayed and I could not get them back into the pinch bolts so I had to place yet another order for new cables...

One final bit of tool making. You're supposed to use one wrench to hold the body of the pinch bolt and another to tighten the bolt. I didn't have a thin enough wrench so I just made one using a thin piece of scrap metal. It worked great and with some short sections of cable housing, my 4h hand tool, and my newly made "wrench," shift cables are tight and shifting is smooth now.


My wrench is too thick


Scrap metal "wrench" is he right thickness



Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:23 pm

Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
 
Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:23 pm linkquote
Since I'm actually going to be riding this bike, I figured I should have some mirrors. The VBA headset does not have any place to mount mirrors and I didn't want to use a legshield mounted mirror. Scootermercato had separate left and right mirror mounts that use the headset pinch bolt so I decided to go that route. I'm not sure if these will actually be usable when riding but I do like the look. Mirrors are a cheapo 8mm set from Amazon.



Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:34 pm

Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
Joined: 21 May 2012
Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
 
Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:34 pm linkquote
It's been a long 8 1/2 years
Here is a before and after. 8 1/2 years ago, this VBA rolled into my life and I have absolutely no regrets about repainting.



Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:24 am

Enthusiast
58 VBA 79CT90
Joined: 25 Dec 2019
Posts: 57
Location: Chico CA
 
Enthusiast
58 VBA 79CT90
Joined: 25 Dec 2019
Posts: 57
Location: Chico CA
Sun Dec 06, 2020 7:24 am linkquote
Nice job and good inspiration for me to get mine done.
Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:01 am

Ossessionato
79 P200E, 62 Allstate, 2008 Stella
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 2165
Location: Florence, OR
 
Ossessionato
79 P200E, 62 Allstate, 2008 Stella
Joined: 11 Jan 2006
Posts: 2165
Location: Florence, OR
Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:01 am linkquote
Most Excellent Fly - You're gonna have fun on that. And it looks stunning! Great Job
Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:46 pm

Hooked
GS-150 VS4
Joined: 04 Feb 2020
Posts: 141
Location: Vallejo, CA
 
Hooked
GS-150 VS4
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Posts: 141
Location: Vallejo, CA
Sun Dec 06, 2020 10:46 pm linkquote
beautiful job. Congratulations. That paint job will preserve it much better in the long run, which is what really counts in my opinion.
Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:53 am

Lurker
1959 VBA Vespa
Joined: 07 Dec 2020
Posts: 1
Location: Jersey City
 
Lurker
1959 VBA Vespa
Joined: 07 Dec 2020
Posts: 1
Location: Jersey City
Mon Dec 07, 2020 12:53 am linkquote
Im looking to buying and 150 VBA. Can you give me a ruff estimated of the cost of this type of restoration?
Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:16 pm

Hooked
GS-150 VS4
Joined: 04 Feb 2020
Posts: 141
Location: Vallejo, CA
 
Hooked
GS-150 VS4
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Location: Vallejo, CA
Mon Dec 07, 2020 2:16 pm linkquote
You may have to factor in 9 years of storage fees for that.

Just curious. Did you paint the aluminum engine areas? In one of the pictures it appears that the clutch cover is painted. Maybe it's just the lighting making it look that way.

Also another way to make a thinner wrench head if you of course have extras of that size cluttering the tool box like I do, is to simply grind one down to a thinner thickness. Same difference I guess.
Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:20 am

Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
Joined: 21 May 2012
Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
 
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Location: Snohomish, WA
Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:20 am linkquote
nickton wrote:
You may have to factor in 9 years of storage fees for that.
Ouch! Going right for the jugular!
nickton wrote:
Just curious. Did you paint the aluminum engine areas? In one of the pictures it appears that the clutch cover is painted. Maybe it's just the lighting making it look that way.
No, I made the mistake of getting the cases media blasted. In hindsight, I should have just given it a good cleaning and called it good. The blasting left a rough finish and was really noticeable on die cast parts like the clutch cover. That or I should have spent more time searching for someone who does soda blasting.
nickton wrote:
Also another way to make a thinner wrench head if you of course have extras of that size cluttering the tool box like I do, is to simply grind one down to a thinner thickness. Same difference I guess.
I seem to have a lot of wrenches between 10mm and 15mm, but I didn't want to mess with the only small wrenches I had.
Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:30 am

Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
Joined: 21 May 2012
Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
 
Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
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Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:30 am linkquote
Brendanferrelli wrote:
Im looking to buying and 150 VBA. Can you give me a ruff estimated of the cost of this type of restoration?
I guess it depends on a lot of things. Are you looking for a daily rider or a museum piece? Are you looking to do the work yourself or have someone else do it? For instance, a place like Bar Italia Classics does absolutely amazing museum quality restorations and you're probably north of the $10K for something like that. When I got it, my VBA was complete and could have been cleaned up into a daily rider for less than $500. That's not really what I was after so I kinda dove in head first. All in, I'm probably close to $5K without my labor time (and storage fees, ha!).
Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:52 am

Hooked
1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
Joined: 23 Aug 2020
Posts: 364
Location: Philadelphia
 
Hooked
1958 Allstate Super Cruisaire 2005 70cc Yamaha Vino
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Posts: 364
Location: Philadelphia
Tue Dec 08, 2020 10:52 am linkquote
looks great even I know I prefer the patina look more, but switching from the bench seat to the 2 up is a nice look. At first on mine I was gonna swap to a bench seat but the more I look at it, the double seat looks so much nicer. Good job.
Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:54 am

Enthusiast
1979 Vespa P215E, 1965 Allstate 177
Joined: 19 Jan 2016
Posts: 91
Location: Claremont, CA
 
Enthusiast
1979 Vespa P215E, 1965 Allstate 177
Joined: 19 Jan 2016
Posts: 91
Location: Claremont, CA
Tue Dec 08, 2020 11:54 am linkquote
flyngti wrote:
Since I'm actually going to be riding this bike, I figured I should have some mirrors. The VBA headset does not have any place to mount mirrors and I didn't want to use a legshield mounted mirror. Scootermercato had separate left and right mirror mounts that use the headset pinch bolt so I decided to go that route. I'm not sure if these will actually be usable when riding but I do like the look. Mirrors are a cheapo 8mm set from Amazon.
Keep an eye on the headset bolt tightness. I had this setup and the bolt kept coming loose. I ended up going with this:
https://www.scooterworks.com/Mirror-Bracket-Both-Sides-VSB-VBB-VNB-VS5--P7480.aspx?gclid=Cj0KCQiA5bz-BRD-ARIsABjT4niNfNdQ1sZDNsEvLPwWPZF0wMsBffxxwsIQW9jxtzZjkcSyp55tFN8aAhD5EALw_wcB
Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:43 pm

Hooked
GS-150 VS4
Joined: 04 Feb 2020
Posts: 141
Location: Vallejo, CA
 
Hooked
GS-150 VS4
Joined: 04 Feb 2020
Posts: 141
Location: Vallejo, CA
Tue Dec 08, 2020 9:43 pm linkquote
It looks to me like something one could fabricate fairly easily. My headset has a few screw holes that I don't understand. Maybe that will be my next little project.
Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:21 am

Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
Joined: 21 May 2012
Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
 
Hooked
1959 VBA, 1959 Allstate boat anchor
Joined: 21 May 2012
Posts: 389
Location: Snohomish, WA
Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:21 am linkquote
memtnbike wrote:
I used a locknut so I'm hoping it won't loosen up. Good call though -- I'll make sure to keep an eye out. i saw that other mount at scooterworks, but I skipped it for two reasons:

1) originally I was only going to mount one mirror and like the option of using one or two. If only using one, I didn't want the unused part of the bracketing sticking out to do nothing
2) the scooterworks bracket mounts using the same bolts as the cable holder brackets inside the headset and because there is no hole, it covers the speedo holding screw. I suppose one could always drill a big hole to access the speedo screw though.
Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:12 am

Enthusiast
1979 Vespa P215E, 1965 Allstate 177
Joined: 19 Jan 2016
Posts: 91
Location: Claremont, CA
 
Enthusiast
1979 Vespa P215E, 1965 Allstate 177
Joined: 19 Jan 2016
Posts: 91
Location: Claremont, CA
Wed Dec 09, 2020 9:12 am linkquote
flyngti wrote:
memtnbike wrote:
I used a locknut so I'm hoping it won't loosen up. Good call though -- I'll make sure to keep an eye out. i saw that other mount at scooterworks, but I skipped it for two reasons:

1) originally I was only going to mount one mirror and like the option of using one or two. If only using one, I didn't want the unused part of the bracketing sticking out to do nothing
2) the scooterworks bracket mounts using the same bolts as the cable holder brackets inside the headset and because there is no hole, it covers the speedo holding screw. I suppose one could always drill a big hole to access the speedo screw though.
Yeah, I had to drill a hole to access the speedo screw. It was a pain.

Your scoot looks great!
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