1951 Vespa Allstate 788-100
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1948 Salsbury Model 85, 1951 Allstate 788-100, 1951 Allstate 788-101, 1958 VS4, 1957 Allstate
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Location: Ridgewood, NJ
Sun Sep 23, 2012 2:01 pm quote
I just picked up this 51 Allstate. This is one of the first 1000 Allstates sold in 1951 in the US. With 400 range serial number it is the oldest one I have been able to find.

I just started a VS4 restoration and this one will follow. It is actually very nicely preserved with several layers of housepaint on it. While ugly there is almost no rust and it appears pretty straight. Fortunately it came with 2 correct NOS aluminum side cowls and nice aluminum front fender, which isn't on the bike yet.

The mystery with this one is the engine. It is a VAN1M prefix engine and the registration papers from the early 60's show this engine in the scooter? There is little info on the web about this engine. From what I can tell they were installed in 1952/1953 timeframe?

I would like to create a registry with other 788-100 owners and share details. If anyone has one of these rare scooters or knows someone who does, please contact me.











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Sun Sep 23, 2012 4:59 pm quote
What a GREAT bike! Sorry I don't know about those engines, but maaan, what a great score... I hope you're going to fill this thread with pics.. of whatever you do with it... I really like this one.
Cheers.
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1948 Salsbury Model 85, 1951 Allstate 788-100, 1951 Allstate 788-101, 1958 VS4, 1957 Allstate
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Posts: 162
Location: Ridgewood, NJ
Sun Sep 23, 2012 5:26 pm quote
Here is a photo of the muffler on the bike. I was told it might be an Abarth. May be custom hack as well. Anyone seen one of these?



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Sun Sep 23, 2012 11:31 pm quote
sweet find mate i dunno about the exhaust but it seem the lower pipe get clogged, try to clean it up and post more pics mate


enjoy the bike and cheer
Molto Verboso
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 5:55 am quote
Never seen one of these before. I could cruise every Sunday on that thing! Super Sexy. More pics please! I'll be watching.
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 7:38 am quote
gonna be a great thread. keep posting progress.
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 8:03 am quote
very sweet!
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Mon Sep 24, 2012 12:09 pm quote
The Abarth pipes I've seen look like this... that's not to say they didn't make one like yours, I just haven't seen one... it's pretty cool whatever it is... clean it up, chrome it, paint it? whatever.... Great bike.



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Tue Sep 25, 2012 4:10 am quote
that pipe on the old lady just gave me an idea
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1948 Salsbury Model 85, 1951 Allstate 788-100, 1951 Allstate 788-101, 1958 VS4, 1957 Allstate
Joined: 02 Apr 2009
Posts: 162
Location: Ridgewood, NJ
Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:41 am quote
The restoration has officially started. I spent a day last week tearing the scooter down in preparation for sandblasting. From what I can tell this thing had the original paint stripped off it and then was painted red, white, and finally black. The paint is so think on it that you can flake it off with your finger nail. The good news is that it preserved the body and there are no rust issues to deal with. I was lucky to find the original Allstate Green under the carb door tag. Anyone know the original paint code for this color? If I can't get the original paint code I will buff out that area and have it scanned.

The 2 cowls I got with it are NOS and nearly perfect. One very small dent to deal with only. These still have the original Piaggio stickers on the inside stuck to the oxide primer. The front fender on the bike will be scrapped. I have a nice original aluminum fender that is straight but has some extra holes in it from previously having a mud guard attached. I will weld those up and be good to go.

The previous front fender was very bent and I made the fork look like it might be bent. In removing the fork it appears straight so that is a relief.











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1948 Salsbury Model 85, 1951 Allstate 788-100, 1951 Allstate 788-101, 1958 VS4, 1957 Allstate
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Location: Ridgewood, NJ
Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:47 am quote
Some detail shots of the uber rare "Chevron" Allstate badge. I plan to have this restored over the winter. There are companies that restore these old enamel badges. It isn't cheap but given the rarity is worth it.







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1948 Salsbury Model 85, 1951 Allstate 788-100, 1951 Allstate 788-101, 1958 VS4, 1957 Allstate
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Location: Ridgewood, NJ
Sun Oct 14, 2012 5:50 am quote
The carburator door Allstate Tag had some over spray on it. I scrapped quite a bit off and it looks better. These are pain to repaint and restore. I may keep it as is.



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Sun Oct 14, 2012 7:16 am quote
Very, very cool.
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Tue Oct 16, 2012 2:44 am quote
Great vespa model ! We wait for more !!! Congrats!!



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Sun Dec 02, 2012 2:15 pm quote
hi scott, the van1m engine is from 1955 model 788.94490

enjoy your project!
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1948 Salsbury Model 85, 1951 Allstate 788-100, 1951 Allstate 788-101, 1958 VS4, 1957 Allstate
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Location: Ridgewood, NJ
Tue Dec 04, 2012 6:59 pm quote
Stathis, thanks for the guidance on the engine. I think you are right as the muffler mount is consistent with a mid 50's scooter and not an early long pipe muffler. Here is a photo of the engine after a good cleaning. The crank case had petrified oil in it. The carb was mucked up and the keyway on the flywheel was screwed up. After fixing everything it fired up and actually ran great! Here it is in a homemade engine stand.



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1948 Salsbury Model 85, 1951 Allstate 788-100, 1951 Allstate 788-101, 1958 VS4, 1957 Allstate
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Location: Ridgewood, NJ
Sun Dec 09, 2012 7:59 am quote
I got the body back from the sandblaster. With so many layers of paint you wonder what surprises you will find when you see it in bare metal. All considered it is in decent shape. Some dents to work through, but no serious rust issues. Note the aluminum horncast. Going to spray on some primer so it doesn't rust while it awaits the painter.









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Sun Dec 09, 2012 8:28 am quote
enjoying your progress. carry on.
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Sun Dec 09, 2012 4:17 pm quote
Oh man.. I'm envious for sure.. that bike has great potential.. Looks like you're well on you way.. keep the pics coming! It'll be the only one I've seen that isn't covered in weeds and rust...
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Sun Dec 09, 2012 9:13 pm quote
I really enjoy seeing the progress on a rebuild, will be watching along.
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Mon Dec 10, 2012 3:57 am quote
Wow! I'm speechless on how rust free that beauty is. That is one cool project for sure! It'l be worth every free penny and hour you put into it!
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Mon Dec 10, 2012 10:22 am quote
So what is your opinion on the chevron badge? Do you think it was chromed and then enameled? Mine looks exactly like yours with no sign what so ever of any thing but brass.
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1948 Salsbury Model 85, 1951 Allstate 788-100, 1951 Allstate 788-101, 1958 VS4, 1957 Allstate
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Posts: 162
Location: Ridgewood, NJ
Mon Dec 10, 2012 6:37 pm quote
I intended to polish the enamel on the badge and have the exposed metal chrome plated. What I found out is that the badge is constructed of a nickel / copper alloy commonly referred to as "german silver" or "nickel silver"........no silver content. The metal can be polished and will return to a bright silver luster. I am going down this path with mine and will post photos once it is done.
Veni, Vidi, Posti
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Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:49 pm quote
u got a really nice frame there

keep up the spirit and cheer mate
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1948 Salsbury Model 85, 1951 Allstate 788-100, 1951 Allstate 788-101, 1958 VS4, 1957 Allstate
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Posts: 162
Location: Ridgewood, NJ
Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:39 am quote
Here is an "after" photo of my restored allstate badge. Believe it or not this was done without re-enameling or chrome plating. The scratches were polished out of the enamel and the metal was micro polished. Needless to say I am thrilled with the results.



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Fri Dec 14, 2012 10:55 am quote
That is stunning!
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Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:18 am quote
Very Nice!
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Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:26 pm quote
purty
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Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:27 pm quote
Did you do that GS? or did you send it out? and if the latter, can you share who did it? and if the former.. Hellanice job.. and will you do more?
Really excellent!
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1948 Salsbury Model 85, 1951 Allstate 788-100, 1951 Allstate 788-101, 1958 VS4, 1957 Allstate
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Location: Ridgewood, NJ
Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:31 pm quote
I commissioned Karla Maxwell from www.maxwellenamels.com to do the restoration work on the badge. I would highly recommend her given her experience and attention to detail.
Mr. Clean
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Mon Dec 17, 2012 11:37 pm quote
Thanks for that.. I know Exactly who to go to now if I ever need that service.. Her work is amazing.. I could not imagine better... If the rest of your bike goes anything like that it will be a show stopper.
Cheers
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Wed Dec 19, 2012 7:30 pm quote
Ha! I do believe that is the bike my customer just sold to fund his augsburg purchase! One of the cowls you got was one that I sold him. Great bike and score.
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Mon Dec 24, 2012 9:04 am quote
You really lucked out on this find. Keep the progress pics coming.
Hooked
1948 Salsbury Model 85, 1951 Allstate 788-100, 1951 Allstate 788-101, 1958 VS4, 1957 Allstate
Joined: 02 Apr 2009
Posts: 162
Location: Ridgewood, NJ
Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:39 pm quote
This restored 788-100 is the inspiration behind my restoration. I hope to match the quality of this restoration with mine.

I have started a registry of 788-100s and have identified 6 others. I would be very interested in any information on other 788-100's that are out there.





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Thu Dec 27, 2012 4:53 pm quote
Amazing resto! Thank you for sharing.
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Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:49 pm quote
awesome mate just awesome
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1948 Salsbury Model 85, 1951 Allstate 788-100, 1951 Allstate 788-101, 1958 VS4, 1957 Allstate
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Posts: 162
Location: Ridgewood, NJ
Sat Jan 05, 2013 10:23 am quote
A few detail shots of the restored badge. It looks better than new and was not re-chromed or re-enameled.







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1948 Salsbury Model 85, 1951 Allstate 788-100, 1951 Allstate 788-101, 1958 VS4, 1957 Allstate
Joined: 02 Apr 2009
Posts: 162
Location: Ridgewood, NJ
Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:16 pm quote
Picked up a couple new old stock Allstate tires for this scooter.



Mr. Clean
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Sun Jan 06, 2013 12:47 am quote
Dude! real tires for it! Killer.. that green one is off the hook.. if you get anywhere close (I have a feeling you're on your way) to that one, It to will be Amazing... I love this body style... good goin' on the tire find! Keep pics coming!...
please
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Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:44 am quote
orange street
n ya trust them old tyres??
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