Modern Vespa

Damn it Arno you just released a poison bomb into a landfill. It is gonna break down and that minuscule amount of carbon may put us over the edge. I am thinking the Mayans knew you would do this.

What can you do? Much worse is that I now have a new one collecting carbon, which may have to be discarded AGAIN in the future, instead of just cleanly emitting the carbons molecule by molecule, undetectable, into the atmosphere. Mea culpa!

Did you buy a "Carbon Credit" for that?

Sorry, I don't get it. Those fumes are so bad we can't let them escape to the atmosphere (and for the moment, lets not think about what comes out of the exhaust pipe), so we collect them and then throw them in the regular trash for land-fill.

joedevola,
The point cannot be whether you agree with us or not about replacing the canister. That was our choice.

The point is that you disagree with the way we discarded it. How would you have done it differently? What are the regulations regarding dumping cars' canisters in Australia?

(Please see my PM for some more background information)

I could have afforded one. They are just ten bucks for one ton per year. But they didn't sell any for the 38 grams I discarded.

You are. I am still waiting for joedevola's answer to my question after I answered his, now that he is back.

The answer to how I would have done it differently is that I would not have the canister in the first place. What are the regulations for disposal of canisters in Australia? I don't know. If you really want to know you could look it up, but it would not prove anything. My question was really directed at asking if, with all of what you have done, YOU actually met the environmental target you had set for yourself. I would not use the canister to start with, one is not required in this country and one is not fitted to my scooter, so how I would dispose of it is a moot point.

Readers, please note: This is a detailed response to joedevola and may not be of interest to you. Continue reading at your own peril.

Management summary: Joedevola, you were very quick at pointing fingers regarding my lawful disposal of a spent evap canister. However, you are not only slow but still avoiding to answer my simple question on how you would have done it.

In detail: Today you offered the following response: Thank you for finding the time to address a long-outstanding question. I am disappointed that you still have not answered it.

To refresh your memory, during this thread you presented yourself as truly concerned that my effort would result in a negative balance of polluting even more than if I had not had (or used the existing) evap system in the first place.

So you asked this: Later, after I fully answered your (I think loaded) question on how I discarded of the saturated canister, you continued to prod with this (I think provocative) question: You might also recall that I addressed your prod via a PM. In case you don't recall, I take the liberty to post that PM here in full and unedited, for you to review: Since then, I did not hear from you again on this matter, until today, Feb. 10, 2013. My question of Nov. 21, 2012 was this: Your response skirts the legitimate question on how you would have done it. My question was designed to place you in a situation where you would have to deal with a hypothetical problem and see how you, with your displayed green conscience, would have solved it. I am still inviting you to do this exercise. With your voiced concerns on how I disposed of it, asking for better advice is not a moot point at all. Merely saying that you, personally, would not have an evap system, is skirting the issue (and belying your professed green stance).

I, personally, don't need to know how spent evap canisters from cars are dealt with in Australia, so I will not look it up. I thought it would be educational for you to find out, assuming your laws that govern it are designed to maintain the principle of preventing pollution.

So, to bring this post to an end, I repeat my question to you: if you were tasked with the issue of discarding a spent evap canister, how would you do it?

I think the problem is Arno, that my question to you about disposal was not hypothetical. My point is that on a cursory examination, your attempt to save the environment may have actually contributed more damage than it prevented. I might be right about that, or I might be wrong, but that was the discussion. Use of canisters in Australia is hypothetical, as they are not fitted to the scooters here.

It sounds like you have a bee in your bonnet about this. i replied here as a courtesy because you mentioned it in another thread where I was looking for some advice on fixing my scooter. I did not answer the PMs previously because I was not interested in getting into an argument about it. There is much more useful stuff to be gleaned from the forum and I am not interested in making any 'cyber enemies' by arguing the point any further.

Cheers,

Chris

Nice how you spin this and forget that you repeatedly insisted I answer your question on how I discarded of the canister, while you, when it was your turn to disclose, tried to vanish. Besides, why is it okay for you to negate a hypothetical question in this same context, while your earlier question needed to be answered?

No need to respond to this one, I understand your view and position, I had for a while. Cheers.

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