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It does not look like a Bajaj to me. That is not a volcano-type headset, looks like a regular clamshell type. Also, the Bajaj frames were always round-tail. This is a square-tail VBB2T. The VIN on the paper is wrong, but the VIN on the frame looks Italian as they come. Besides, as you may know, India and Pakistan do not have the best relationship, so it is very rare to find Indian bikes or parts in Pakistan, despite their geographical proximity.

That's the good news, the bad news is that you would probably have been better off if it was a Bajaj. At least in India they have access to manufactured parts. Take a look at this thread to see what is typical of Italian bikes in Pakistan.

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Just looking at your pictures and not even seeing under the paint, there is a ton of visibly incorrect and bizarre stuff going on. Please proceed with caution.

Red horn buttons and Volcano headsets would be the least of your worries at this point.
From my anecdotal experience, the Bajaj switched over from round tail to flat tail in '67. I could be wrong since my sampling is only 2.

I have a '66 Bajaj, it's round tail and I have a friend who has a '67 Bajaj, and it's 3-speed but it's a flat tail.

Also it seems I was mistaken about the headset. It looked round with the black trim around the speedo.
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Bar Italia Classics wrote:
It does not look like a Bajaj to me. That is not a volcano-type headset, looks like a regular clamshell type. Also, the Bajaj frames were always round-tail. This is a square-tail VBB2T. The VIN on the paper is wrong, but the VIN on the frame looks Italian as they come. Besides, as you may know, India and Pakistan do not have the best relationship, so it is very rare to find Indian bikes or parts in Pakistan, despite their geographical proximity.

That's the good news, the bad news is that you would probably have been better off if it was a Bajaj. At least in India they have access to manufactured parts. Take a look at this thread to see what is typical of Italian bikes in Pakistan.

GS 160 MKII restoration project

Just looking at your pictures and not even seeing under the paint, there is a ton of visibly incorrect and bizarre stuff going on. Please proceed with caution.

Red horn buttons and Volcano headsets would be the least of your worries at this point.
From my anecdotal experience, the Bajaj switched over from round tail to flat tail in '67. I could be wrong since my sampling is only 2.

I have a '66 Bajaj, it's round tail and I have a friend who has a '67 Bajaj, and it's 3-speed but it's a flat tail.

Also it seems I was mistaken about the headset. It looked round with the black trim around the speedo.
Thanks for the info, that really helped to improve my confusion. Laughing emoticon Crying or Very sad emoticon
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From my anecdotal experience, the Bajaj switched over from round tail to flat tail in '67. I could be wrong since my sampling is only 2.

I have a '66 Bajaj, it's round tail and I have a friend who has a '67 Bajaj, and it's 3-speed but it's a flat tail.

Also it seems I was mistaken about the headset. It looked round with the black trim around the speedo.
I have yet to see a square tail 2-stroke Bajaj apart from the "vintage Vespas" that Scooterworks sells.

I'm not saying that it is impossible, just that we have worked on dozens of original, unrestored, stock Bajaj scooters over the years, models spanning production from the '60s to the late '90s, and have never seen a factory square tail.
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zeno wrote:
From my anecdotal experience, the Bajaj switched over from round tail to flat tail in '67. I could be wrong since my sampling is only 2.

I have a '66 Bajaj, it's round tail and I have a friend who has a '67 Bajaj, and it's 3-speed but it's a flat tail.

Also it seems I was mistaken about the headset. It looked round with the black trim around the speedo.
I have yet to see a square tail 2-stroke Bajaj apart from the "vintage Vespas" that Scooterworks sells.

I'm not saying that it is impossible, just that we have worked on dozens of original, unrestored, stock Bajaj scooters over the years, models spanning production from the '60s to the late '90s, and have never seen a factory square tail.
Well that's reassuring, ahh I think.
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zeno wrote:
From my anecdotal experience, the Bajaj switched over from round tail to flat tail in '67. I could be wrong since my sampling is only 2.

I have a '66 Bajaj, it's round tail and I have a friend who has a '67 Bajaj, and it's 3-speed but it's a flat tail.

Also it seems I was mistaken about the headset. It looked round with the black trim around the speedo.
I have yet to see a square tail 2-stroke Bajaj apart from the "vintage Vespas" that Scooterworks sells.

I'm not saying that it is impossible, just that we have worked on dozens of original, unrestored, stock Bajaj scooters over the years, models spanning production from the '60s to the late '90s, and have never seen a factory square tail.
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nice vbb, the fin look sweet for an old metal
rebuild for sure if i was you, strip the paint till the metal and start from there

good luck with the bike and cheer mate
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nice vbb, the fin look sweet for an old metal
rebuild for sure if i was you, strip the paint till the metal and start from there

good luck with the bike and cheer mate
I've got paint in the plans and its looking better as I probe the chassis but won't know for sure until its cleaned up on the underside.
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before you repaint get them indicators filled n fit some bar ends
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before you repaint get them indicators filled n fit some bar ends
Indicators will be gone and holes filled but what are bar ends?
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Again, paint only after you sandblast the entire chassis and all other painted parts.
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Again, paint only after you sandblast the entire chassis and all other painted parts.
Definately if its going to be painted it will be sandblasted. If it doesn't get painted it will at least have the underneath of floor boards ground down to check for good welds especially now that I've been informed that it has P-series floor runners, who knows maybe I got lucky and the guy that welded the pseries front end on actually new how to weld.
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I'd put money on it being an Italian VBB. There's no way it's a Bajaj. Indicators are wrong and personally I'd get rid of them.
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Again, paint only after you sandblast the entire chassis and all other painted parts.
Definately if its going to be painted it will be sandblasted. If it doesn't get painted it will at least have the underneath of floor boards ground down to check for good welds especially now that I've been informed that it has P-series floor runners, who knows maybe I got lucky and the guy that welded the pseries front end on actually new how to weld.
OK. That's it. We give up. A lot of people on this board have given you great advice and you refuse to heed it. Instead, you're ordering parts for a bike that you really don't have a clue about and that is showing no signs of being road worthy. Now you're saying you may not blast it to see what's under the paint?

Play on, player. We are out.
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Lynnb wrote:
Bar Italia Classics wrote:
Again, paint only after you sandblast the entire chassis and all other painted parts.
Definately if its going to be painted it will be sandblasted. If it doesn't get painted it will at least have the underneath of floor boards ground down to check for good welds especially now that I've been informed that it has P-series floor runners, who knows maybe I got lucky and the guy that welded the pseries front end on actually new how to weld.
OK. That's it. We give up. A lot of people on this board have given you great advice and you refuse to heed it. Instead, you're ordering parts for a bike that you really don't have a clue about and that is showing no signs of being road worthy. Now you're saying you may not blast it to see what's under the paint?

Play on, player. We are out.
Bar Italia Classics I really feel you are jumping to conclusions, first off the parts I ordered are for the mechanical safety aspect of the bike like brakes and cables bushing etc and second of all what I said was I was going to grind the bottom clean first before I decide if its going to get painted and to also be sure there are good welds and then only only then I will decide whether I will sink 800 bucks into a shop sand blasting and paint job and if I decide not to sink money into a paint job I will at least know that the bike is safe and will prime and rattle can the bottom that I grind clean.I see no reason to blast the entire bike just to see whats under the paint as I've seen no indication of a deteriated surface other than a bit of surface rust so far . Whether I decide to sink 800 bucks into a paint job is totally upto me it has nothing to do with the advice I've received. Third off all the advice I've received I've excepted with an open mind and have utilized every bit for moving forward. This is a discussion forum and I really feel that it has been a very good gentlemens discussion with alot of really great knowledge shared.
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Lynn, I think you may still be missing the point here. You got a bike that has a potentially unsafe patchwork quilt frame. What people are trying to tell you is that your FIRST step should be to blast down that frame to see if it's been pieced together. If the frame is an unsafe jigsaw puzzle, making safe all the other mechanical systems will not change that.
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Lynnb wrote:
what are bar ends?
Ahh I see, very cool thankyou for the info. I notice on the mirror that its mounted off a flatbar, is that home made or can it be purchased? I really should get a mirror even though the mechanical doesn't call for one. I'd prefer a mirror off the bar rather than off the cowling.
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Screw all this other noise

Hey Bitsa.........that's what appears to be a et3 with the bar ends and fo sho an et3 in the back.

Are those your mates?

Got better pics?

Me loves some et3s
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Lynn, I think you may still be missing the point here. You got a bike that has a potentially unsafe patchwork quilt frame. What people are trying to tell you is that your FIRST step should be to blast down that frame to see if it's been pieced together. If the frame is an unsafe jigsaw puzzle, making safe all the other mechanical systems will not change that.
Nope I got the point and working it through
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your scooter looks nice.removing the turnsignals or replacing with a vintage styled turnlights will increase the looks of ur vespa
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Seems I can only post one at a time so here it goes.
your scooter looks nice.removing the turnsignals or replacing with a vintage styled turnlights will increase the looks of ur vespa
Thanks I thought the same thing, they are in the trash and body shop is filling in the holes.
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