Modern Vespa

I might take issue with your number, but I agree with your point. Vespa is not bringing any 49 state models to the US. No possible way. And, I don't believe that the CA only mantra is even true any more. Oregon and several other states are phasing in the CA standards anyway.

The emissions standards, yes, but not the weird requirements and specifications for the evap system.

Though that's only required in CA, they get installed in pretty much all (50 state) vehicles bound for the US these days. AFAIK, no one makes two US versions on any models.

It wasn't that long ago that Vespa did sell a 49-state model in the US, but I don't think they will again.

Space will be made available by the deletion of ABS, etc.

You mean the PX?

The (alleged) product brochure from the Philippines appears to say exactly that, Gordy. "Aluminum Elements"

Yep, that's the one.

Didn't they used to call this The Italjet Velocifero?

Thanks, I think. That thread was a drain, well worth missing.

Isn't Piaggio also an aitframe builder, and wouldn't that give them plenty of aluminum experience?

That chicken came about 50 years after this egg.

I might be wrong here, but I think the seat might be only for one person. It seems a bit too short and there is just too much cantilever to support two-up riding. Any other opinions on this?

Of course, and all of mine too. So did this 'new' one. I'm just saying a 'retro' metal/plastic automatic from Italy was already done 10 years ago & it bombed. Not that this one will, lot's of innovation & Piaggio is behind it.

It's just interesting to me that they are so damn similar looking. Day & night difference as to the technology and what they can do, I get that.

and this:

Because Australia supplies most of the worlds aluminium I say we get to call it what we like

Bullshit, everyone knows aluminum comes from beer cans.

Based on the brochure page that hypes "aliuminium elements" (above), it would appear that none of the structural portion will be of alluminium. The brochure also says, "Panels in alluminium sheet glued on the molded plastic support just like it is in the automobile", so it would appear that some of the "alluminium elements" are laminates.

Would that make them alumements?

TWO els now? Alluminum? Or Alluminium in Britland? Can we get a FINAL rulling on the spelling please, Jess?(er, ruling)

Regardless I was gonna propose 'Aluminates'

Alumements? That's just silly

By that logic, the companies that dig coal out of the ground should be allowed to call it "solar energy".

Sounds good to me............

I think this body is aluminum

[quote="tomjasz"][quote="Arno1"] That, and more. See the picture coming from their museum. But that just shows panels, not a chassis.

That said, I think the OP's sources mention the body being Al instead of steel. That sounds like more than elements. That sounds like the chassis is of Al.

God dammit rivets on this thing would be sexy.

Yeah, aircraft style. And maybe easier to repair if well thought out.

But never mind that for now, how is this word spelled?


So alluminium, aluminum or aluminium? Make up your mind!

I'm so confused

Have you see the size of Australia's beer cans? I'd say you are supporting his argument here.

Actually Piaggio (the PTW company) and Piaggio Aero were split apart in 1964 and have been under different ownership ever since.

Unobtainium.

Thanks for the history lesson but it's not like the players are worlds apart.

Just for you VooDoo....

Etymology

Two variants of the metal's name are in current use, aluminium and aluminum (besides the obsolete alumium). The International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry (IUPAC) adopted aluminium as the standard international name for the element in 1990 but, three years later, recognized aluminum as an acceptable variant. Hence their periodic table includes both.[60] IUPAC prefers the use of aluminium in its internal publications, although nearly as many IUPAC publications use the spelling aluminum.[61]
Most countries use the spelling aluminium. In the United States, the spelling aluminum predominates.[16][62] The Canadian Oxford Dictionary prefers aluminum, whereas the Australian Macquarie Dictionary prefers aluminium. In 1926, the American Chemical Society officially decided to use aluminum in its publications; American dictionaries typically label the spelling aluminium as a British variant.
The name aluminium derives from its status as a base of alum. It is borrowed from Old French; its ultimate source, alumen, in turn is a Latin word that literally means "bitter salt".[63]
The earliest citation given in the Oxford English Dictionary for any word used as a name for this element is alumium, which British chemist and inventor Humphry Davy employed in 1808 for the metal he was trying to isolate electrolytically from the mineral alumina. The citation is from the journal Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society of London: "Had I been so fortunate as to have obtained more certain evidences on this subject, and to have procured the metallic substances I was in search of, I should have proposed for them the names of silicium, alumium, zirconium, and glucium."[64][65]
Davy settled on aluminum by the time he published his 1812 book Chemical Philosophy: "This substance appears to contain a peculiar metal, but as yet Aluminum has not been obtained in a perfectly free state, though alloys of it with other metalline substances have been procured sufficiently distinct to indicate the probable nature of alumina."[66] But the same year, an anonymous contributor to the Quarterly Review, a British political-literary journal, in a review of Davy's book, objected to aluminum and proposed the name aluminium, "for so we shall take the liberty of writing the word, in preference to aluminum, which has a less classical sound."[67]
The -ium suffix conformed to the precedent set in other newly discovered elements of the time: potassium, sodium, magnesium, calcium, and strontium (all of which Davy isolated himself). Nevertheless, -um spellings for elements were not unknown at the time, as for example platinum, known to Europeans since the 16th century, molybdenum, discovered in 1778, and tantalum, discovered in 1802. The -um suffix is consistent with the universal spelling alumina for the oxide, as lanthana is the oxide of lanthanum, and magnesia, ceria, and thoria are the oxides of magnesium, cerium, and thorium respectively.
The spelling used throughout the 19th century by most U.S. chemists was aluminium, but common usage is less clear.[68] The aluminum spelling is used in the Webster's Dictionary of 1828. In his advertising handbill for his new electrolytic method of producing the metal 1892, Charles Martin Hall used the -um spelling, despite his constant use of the -ium spelling in all the patents[58] he filed between 1886 and 1903.[69] It has consequently been suggested that the spelling reflects an easier to pronounce word with one fewer syllable, or that the spelling on the flier was a mistake. Hall's domination of production of the metal ensured that the spelling aluminum became the standard in North America; the Webster Unabridged Dictionary of 1913, though, continued to use the -ium version.

Cool guys, please send a copy to Vespa, they spelled it 3 ways on their diagram. I was kidding, sorry I wasn't more clear.

Could be confusing for others here though (Hi Al), but I've ALWAYS used 'aluminum'.

sincerely,
Retired aluminum foundryman, lol

cant see any rear foot pegs so would only be legal as a one person machine over here

Arno-

The OP's source is a motorcycle blog which does not cite the source of the "aluminum body" claim.

The Philippine brochure carries a Vespa logo and is said to be legitimate. It says "elements" and identifies which "elements".

I would lean towards the latter for veracity.

like the seat

Geez Boulty I feel bad you went to all that trouble researching aluminium. As good as it all was my comments were just me being a typical smart ars. Sorry about that mate but a very good history lesson non the less.

[quote="Aviator47"] Arno-

The OP's source is a motorcycle blog which does not cite the source of the "aluminum body" claim.

The Philippine brochure carries a Vespa logo and is said to be legitimate. It says "elements" and identifies which "elements".

I would lean towards the latter for veracity.[/quo




it was labeled as a fake/fabricated cadd drawings in the closed thread.

Alluminium - A silver-colored lightweight metal that glows in the dark...

Just quoting from that newer publication: "Another moden [sic] update is a switch to an aluminum (from steel) body." This does not exclude other elements made of aluminum. Or, put another way, having said aluminum elements does not exclude the body being aluminum also.

The following is my opinion.

Strange how that once shunned and ridiculed Philippine source and material has now become a bible. I believe it when I see it.

If I have learned something in my life it is that information removed only one step from the originating source will have changed. As soon as translation comes into play, that adds another quantum leap of removal from the original. And I think that is what we are looking at here.

The most important element is that this subject appears to be a source of fun and happy speculating, so it adds real value to many. Bravo!

End of opinion. If I now added a Vespa logo to it, would that make it an official truth?

I think the main thing that's going on here is that we all have something new and different to get all excited about. Speculations or truth, it's something nobody's had any physical item to base their ideas from until now. Regular model or funky special edition, it's still a big change from what we've had for several years.

Amusing nobody's started a discussion about all the things they're not doing with the 946 that they don't have in their imaginary garage yet. I was hoping for some field reports by now.

The LX doesn't have any rear foot "pegs" either, and AFAIK it is legal for two-up everywhere that I know of. I think the laws generally require rear foot rests, not "pegs" specifically.

Well, they are both in Italy. So are Ferrari and Gucci .

Not sure anyone is pointing to that as the bible and never disputed the cad pictures as being from Piaggio. The text on those slides were highly suspect and just because you create a cad model doesn't mean you'll make it that way or at all.

I've got binders of CAD drawings I've never put into production.

It is interesting to note how the design has matured over the year. The first prototype on display was a vacuform plastic body. The cad drawings show a center seam down the rear section of the body and that has been missing until the most recent picture. Also the cad drawings and the first prototype showed a cast aluminum headset and the most resent pictures show it going back to steel bars with plastic covers.

At this point it does look like they are trying to make this into something that can be produced at a reasonable price but it's still all speculation till it's announced.