Modern Vespa

Terry I looked for case numbers and although I didn't get right down on my back I didn't see any other than the regular vin. But I will defiantely get down and look harder. Has anyone come up with any sort of explanation for the P series flywheel???
Thanks
Lynn

That's right adjacent to the oil fill. Take a pic.


I can damn near see it from here

I just lay on my side on a throw rug, it's NOT underneath, it's from behind(see my pipe?).

You have a P flywheel on there. Maybe. Move on.
Likely moot point right now, and definately if numbers don't match.

Ok Terry I think we got a winner. Thanks for the directions.

ScootRcrap sells PX flywheels rebuilt and machined to fit VBB/etc.

I've got a couple of them.

Thanks for clearing that up SFvsr. Now the million dollar question is does the flywheel have something to do with a 6 volt to 12volt upgrade?
Thanks
Lynn

Isn't it kind of weird that the picture you posted shows the case as 216 and mine is 215?

You won't know till flywheel is removed.

Thanks for the tip, your a great help.

That boogery little box glued to the back of the outboard HT coil is some sort of CDI. You've got electronic ignotion.

Probably the most positive thing to come out of this whole experience.

Yep things are looking up
I'll see if I can get some numbers off it.
Thanks
Lynn

Just wondering what is on the other side of the outlined area from your earlier post.

still reckon its an ameribodge with some cheap new parts.


its solid

damn - went right by me. Thought for a sec there we might be long lost brothers, until I checked out the '1's.
1970 Rally180 motor(VSD1M) meet .... 1963 VBB150 motor(VBB2M)

Lol

Near as I can tell its the regular seam, I didn't get a measuring tape to compare but best guess would be the left hand seam on the hump.

In case you're still keeping score, those are also P-series floor runners...

Lol yep keeping score. I don't suppose that's a p series rear brake setup and location? That would explain a lot.
I wander if the front end or what else can be pseries and if I ordered the wrong brake pads?

I just had a thought, with this scoot
having a p series glove box in front and pseries floor board trim and nearest I can tell p series rear brake pedal is it possible the front end including front wheel and
Wheel innerds and rear wheel and innerds is a p series taking into account the vin numbers for chassis and motor are clearly marked vbb? The reason I ask is because what I ordered was under the assumption I was ordering for vbb.
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Lynn

No. Someone put the wrong parts on, if someone went through the effort to weld the front of of a P frame on so well that it wasn't visibly obvious they wouldn't put the bolts holding down the floor rails on the wrong way.

Plus a P-series has a large plastic horn cover, not the welded on metal on like you have. Though those are P signals you can tell they were added on later. And those aren't P series forks etc. etc...

Thanks Matty thats reassuring,I also found out the centre stand is a pseries. They must have had a good bit of pseries kicking around.

I got around to cleaning off the underneath of the floor boards and got very good results. I did find a couple places where there may have a repair done toward the front and I marked it with the black arrow, but strangely enough it wasn't all the way across but only in one area. The underneath definately seen better days as noted by the uneveness but no big deal, at least its solid. I hope I didn't over due it with the pics.

waiting to be abused

I think you're on to something. Some poor ambitious soul had an old VBB scooter & a wrecked P. Decided it would be cool to see just how much stuff from the P he could put on it, then it paint it bright red.

IMO, it IS kinda cool in a left handed sort of way, them tail turns are WEIRD! I need to find pics of the old 50S I found in the garbage. 'Converted' to a PK, including a plastic P horncast over the original.

How about a pic of her fanny for us to examine?

Save that baby otter!

PS Not sure if you read GS 160 MKII restoration project, if not, you NEED to. Hardcore! (wonder how that's going...)



He started with worse than this, just sayin'

I did look through the GS 160 MKII restoration project, I hope he continues with it and sees it through.
Here's the rear end Terry,hopefully thats what you meant. I think I'm about ready to start a new topic in the rebuild section.



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Lynn

Please send me your tail light. If the main housing's not diecast, just send me that 'chrome 'brow'.
I will send you a plastic P horncast to cover your ugly horn. And another tail lite that's newer & better.


I'm rather encouraged re your prospects with this. Guess we'll see. At least yours appears to be an imaginative AmeriBodge & hopefully it's a stock, original motor w/only an odd flywheel that apparently works.

All in all with everthing said, you have to admit that the signals were well placed in an area thats very visible.

Not my cup O tea but I'll give it a 7 for "hey I'm thinkin of puttin signals on this bike" kinda thing.

Don't do it

Hey Terry your onto something with the idea of looking through the brake pedal hole into the tunnel,I could reach my hand in the hole and after comparing with another 63 vbb of where brake pedal should be I could feel an abnormally sharp edge, I decided to stick my iphone in the hole and after 20 pics I got 2 pretty good ones that show something which I beleive is the old hole filled in.

I wonder how someone got into that area to weld the patch in? Which leads me to think the "pan" was apart from the frame (back bone) at sometime?

Also this area in your last picture is a point of concern to me.

At this point would we take a chance and sandblast? If a full repaint in in the plan I would think removing the existing paint by dipping would be the way to go.

Only my opinion, Group?

If you dip that frame nothing will be left.

Still not sure on paint as yet. I pulled the motor today before work and plan on opening It up to check crank and cases and will go from there. I did a compression test before I pulled it and got 90lbs cold, normally I would do compression or leaksdown test on a warm engine with throttle wide open but this is a whole other kind of animal.

Rob I have no way of verifying if that is a metal patch or what my point was more of what Voodoo said to me which was along the line that the chassis is a vbb with a bunch of p series parts thrown on which is better than a p series chassis attached to a vbb rear end.Just trying to be optimistic.

We will never know.

Hard to say but you can see in a couple of my pics I pointed out an area with arrows but I can't tell if its a seam of a repair, the bottom is a bit none flat.what you see could be rusted metal flake or ? , after all it is near 50 years old. Good observation though.

Hi,

You can use a regular PX/Bajaj puller to take that flywheel off and then you'll get at the stator. Underneath shots are difficult to see and paint can hide many evils. Someone probably said already but they tubed one coil to the other as some sort of temporary fix. Most likely couldn't be bothered to remove the other one properly. Think the coil should work 6v and 12v so not done for that reason.

Sorry. I replied after page 1 thinking that was the end! You are beyond what I have just said so please ignore. Oh and good luck. Interesting thread.

np scott , by the way I think the coil tube tied the coil you see is actually the 12v converter, it'll all be straightened out in the long run

RG? imposable? Where did you find that definition? where the OP found the inner tube wrapped CDI replacement, I'll bet.

Opposable thumbs means that the thumb is able to be brought into opposition with each finger. One of many of the skills needed to repair a Vespa.

SF - I love the donkey.

Web definitions

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(opposable thumb) A thumb that can touch all the other fingers.
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The only qualification that the boss's nephew brings into the lab. See theory of relativity.
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