Modern Vespa

My beverly 250 has more or less 13500km and one of those days in a hard brake my oil light blinked.

Yesterday I checked the oil level and it was before the low level. I will go to my dealer to add some oil but has anyone had this problem before?

I am assuming that in the 10000km inspection the dealer did not add enough oil because the bike has no signs of oil consumption.

My normal use of the bike is 10+5+5+10 km of highway per day and my normal cruise speed is between 90 and 100kmh so the bike does not have a lot of effort.

In the previous inspections (1000km, 5000km and 10000km) the oil level was in the top before the inspection. So it is not normal that from 5k to 10k the oil consumption is null and from 10k to 13,5k the oil consumption is from top level to less than low level.

Entirely possible. Always check oil levels, tyre pressures etc after a service. But why not top it up yourself? It is a task expected to be done by the user...

Because I do not know the oil brand and quality I have in the bike. In my other bike I have to always check the oil level and I also add as needed.

From now on I will always check after a service.

Went to the dealer yesterday and they tapped up the oil level. I will check regularly to see if it goes down.

When I arrived home rechecked the level to see if this time it was right and it was at the top level

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My bike has 17500 km and had the service done at 15000 km. More or less at 16500 km the oil level was low again and it was leveled.
Today I checked again and the level is getting low again after being leveled 1000 km ago.

Did anyone had this problem before?

How low? As long as it is over the Min mark all is well. On some of my bikes I find that if filled to the Max mark the level can subside to about halfway before stabilising there. Also check the air filter - if excess oil has been collected there, then it'll need a quick clean.

At the moment it is only a little above the low level, so in 1000 km or a little more lowered almost from high to low level.
I will check the air filter but last time I checked it was ok and clean.

Without re-filling it, monitor it and see if it dips below the low level. Always check with the engine cold first thing in the morning - that way you'll get the most consistent readings. If it stays at that level, that's the level your particular bike 'likes'. That said, the 250 we had here would need a top-up every 2,000 miles or so - no discernible evidence of where it went, so presumed misted and burnt on long high-speed runs. If you do lots of fast continuous riding then that could be an 'OK' explanation.

I checked the level today's morning and the bike was stopped for more than 15 hours. My normal runs are 10km+5km+5km+10km per day (total 30km) and I normally ride at 90km/h and wait for the bike to heat up at lower speed.

I think that in the first service the oil level was ok at 5000km, so I find a little strange the oil consumption. Sometimes I get some traffic but yesterday at 17500km was the first time I had the cooler fan on so I don't ride too hot.

I have talked to the Piaggio Portugal because the bike is already out of warranty but in my opinion at 13000km starting to consume oil is not normal.

They told that I should take the bike to an authorized dealer for them to check.

I am thinking what can they do without opening the engine and checking if there is a problem? And if there is a problem do you think Piaggio will assume it as the bike is out of warranty?

I should had been smarter and forced them to register the first time I had to top up the oil but as I did not do that it is only my word against them.

A can do one of two things:
- Take to the authorized dealer and see if they can see anything not normal and then expect that piaggio assumes the problem or part of it
- Take to me usual mechanic and change to a thicker oil and see if with that oil the consumption is smaller.

From the manual the bike should do 10000km with the same oil, I have always changed at 5000km only because I think that the oil is the newer the better.

Here's the section on oil consumsion from the service manual: At this point I'd have the valves checked.

Thanks, that's also my first guess because I think I treat the bike well enough to be a more severe problem.

I will send it to check and give feedback again. Do you think I should also change to a thicker oil now or check the valves and afterwards change the oil?

I'd check the valves first & see what happens-
Change one thing at a time, observe the results, then move to the next- that's the scientific way.

I'd also have the compression checked- it will give you an indication if the rings/piston are the problem.

Thanks, I was not remembering the compression check.

I will take the bike today to the mechanic but after first check on the bike he said the valves were ok, so our first try will be a thicker oil to see if the problem is overridden (i know it will not correct the problem), if not then we will need to go deeper into the problem and analyzing the engine inside.

We have agreed that the oil change was a bEURttEURr first solution since it is not expensive.

As I check the oil regularly, and I feel no lack of power, no smoke on cold or hot it seems ok as a first try.

Finally I think that the problem is solved. Changed cylinder, piston, rings and some other parts and I hope that for now on the problem is solved.

Just did 15km with the bike so I cannot say if it is really solved but I hope so.

May be a trivial question but that is: after checking oil level, should the dipstick be screwed down by hand or with pliers?

Thanks!

Normally i do by hand and afterwards just a little bit with plier.

Thank, you!