Modern Vespa : The "Whinging about the 946 price" thread

The "Whinging about the 946 price" thread

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Funny, before I saw this thread, I was thinking of the introduction of the Ford Mustang back in "1964 1/2". There was just nothing in its class at the time.....affordable, sporty.... Americas was just coming out of the "big tail fin era" and here was this little dynamo with the very appealing looks.... Word of mouth went a long way back then... We saw them on the streets and they had "charisma"....

Obviously, the 946 is not in the easy-on-the-wallet category. Vespas are expensive but the 946 takes it to new heights. Piaggio is not "setting the hook" here, IMO, if they are looking to turn some units. I imagine there's a huge market - even in the PTW enthusiast community, that haven't even heard of it (the 946), yet. People will see the 946 on the street and ask "where can I get one of these?". The answer: you had a about a 2 week window in April of 2013 to preorder one.... Facepalm emoticon

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Dooglas Veni, Vidi, Posti GTS 300ABS, Buddy Kick 125 Joined: UTC Posts: 13528 Location: Oregon City, OR	UTC quote Arky wrote: People will see the 946 on the street and ask "where can I get one of these?". The answer: you had a about a 2 week window in April of 2013 to preorder one.... Judging by what happened with the GT60, you may have plenty of time to get your order in .

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Aphonicsupersonic Banned Piaggio BV300 Joined: UTC Posts: 56	UTC quote $10000 for a air cooled 150cc scooter-major no!.I can (and just might) buy a 2013 Honda CB1100 for that price.

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Knight Train Ossessionato 2017 BMW R1200GS and 2010 Vespa GTS 250 (shared) Joined: UTC Posts: 4213 Location: San Diego	UTC quote Aphonicsupersonic wrote: $10000 for a air cooled 150cc scooter-major no!.I can (and just might) buy a 2013 Honda CB1100 for that price. A club mate just bought the CB1100. He is so happy with it he sold his BMR R1200R. While I personally consider that a heresy, his joy in riding that bike is unmistakable.

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jess Petty Tyrant 0:7 and counting Joined: UTC Posts: 39126 Location: Bay Area, California	UTC quote Knight Train wrote: He is so happy with it he sold his BMR R1200R. While I personally consider that a heresy Heresy indeed!

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Knight Train wrote:

He is so happy with it he sold his BMR R1200R. While I personally consider that a heresy

jess wrote:

Heresy indeed!

No, it's worse than heresy! It's apostasy!

There is only one truth, and its name is R1200R.
There is only one other truth, and its name is Vespa
There is only one other other truth, and its name is
durif, no, shiraz, no, cabernet sauvignon, no, grenache, no, tempranillo, no, merlot, no, mataro, no, cabernet franc, no, chambourcin, no, sangiovese, no ...
... oh bugger. I've succumbed to creeping syncretism.

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jess Petty Tyrant 0:7 and counting Joined: UTC Posts: 39126 Location: Bay Area, California	UTC quote Caroanbill wrote: There is only one other other truth, and its name is durif, no, shiraz, no, cabernet sauvignon, no, grenache, no, tempranillo, no, merlot, no, mataro, no, cabernet franc, no, chambourcin, no, sangiovese, no ... ... oh bugger. I've succumbed to creeping syncretism. This.

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Dooglas Veni, Vidi, Posti GTS 300ABS, Buddy Kick 125 Joined: UTC Posts: 13528 Location: Oregon City, OR	UTC quote Caroanbill wrote: There is only one other other truth, and its name is durif, no, shiraz, no, cabernet sauvignon, no, grenache, no, tempranillo, no, merlot, no, mataro, no, cabernet franc, no, chambourcin, no, sangiovese, no ... That is quite a bit of truth . On a somewhat related note, I am also impressed by the CB1100. (I owned 3 previous Honda CB series bikes and loved them all)

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Caroanbill wrote:

Knight Train wrote:

He is so happy with it he sold his BMR R1200R. While I personally consider that a heresy

jess wrote:

Heresy indeed!

I said "Wizard, that's what I've come to find is the truth"
He said "no, son, you've got me all wrong. To tell you the truth,
son, how can I tell you this? Uh, I've been in this field
of poppies a long time, myself, and I've come to find, son,
that the only truth in life is right here in this bottle."
I said "WIZARD!!!?!??!?"
He said "No, truly, son, in fact, I'd rather have this bottle
in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy!"

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Treppenwitz wrote:

While it goes without saying that Piagio is not going after the low end of the market with this, or any, Vespa... making most of your target audience feel like destitute trailer trash by putting your product both physically and financially out of their reach - even temporarily - is probably not the way you want to play it.

Just my 2 shekels.

Man if your self esteem is affected because you can't afford their scooter, well I just don't know what to say...

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Regardless of Piaggio's long term intentions for the 946's production, they've obviously put their name in front of many who didn't know what a Vespa was a while back. Articles in the Wall Street Journal and Times find their way in front of many. Marketing which brings folks through your doors is quite expensive, but the rollout of this scoot has obviously gotten a lot of folks talking the brand, as we are currently having this discussion. Regardless of their bottom line success with the 946 project, people are flocking to the showrooms to gawk and will hopefully disembark with a Vespa or Piaggio product. Seems like a brilliant move to me. I'm sure they troll many forums including this one, and are comfortably smiling with all of our speculations. Where there's smoke, there's certainly fire.

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Treppenwitz wrote:

Man if your self esteem is affected because you can't afford their scooter, well I just don't know what to say...

Its nice that Vespa still make cheap things like the LX150 so wannbees like me can pretend they have a real one.
Much like Guzzi make the V7 for people that can't afford a real mans guzzi.

(says the guy whos owned two small blocks and misses them both)

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DailyRider28465 Molto Verboso Mia Dolce II 2017 GTV 300, Ragazzo Vespa 946, Il Pazzo BV 350, & Mia Dolce GTV 250 -sold- Joined: UTC Posts: 1730 Location: Oak Island NC	UTC quote Dr. Pangloss? Maybe. I think the halo/glow/radiance from the admittedly overpriced and beautiful 946 trickles down to enhance residual value for every Vespa scooter. The 946 is a celebration of style over value, and as such, enhances the premium pricing of the brand.

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ice Member Kymco People GTi300 Joined: UTC Posts: 38 Location: SE USA	UTC quote maybe this is why Vespa is closing/loosing so many dealerships in the US. Loosing so much money on these limited edition models, they close dealerships to make up the difference.

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Maybe none here has heard of Harley's CVO Program

Just because something appears too expensive doesn't mean it is not worthwhile. No one "needs" a Porsche. I admire a company that produces something extraordinary just because they can. Harley has the CVO program which is been running for many years. Each of the CVO motorcycles is over $10,000 more than the model upon which they are based. Each one they build is sold almost the moment it arrives at the dealership. there is no practical argument to purchase one, you could buy the same motorcycle for over $10,000 less. The principle in marketing of exclusivity is to enhance the entire marque. It becomes a showcase for design and technology as well as an explanation to buyers that this model is from the same DNA as the rest of the product list. The Kia Rio is a well-made car that will get all of us to our destinations. It doesn't mean that that should be the marketplace or that's what I want to drive.

I applaud Vespa and hope we see more of the same in the future.

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Maybe none here has heard of Harley's CVO Program
Just because something appears too expensive doesn't mean it is not worthwhile. No one "needs" a Porsche. I admire a company that produces something extraordinary just because they can. Harley has the CVO program which is been running for many years. Each of the CVO motorcycles is over $10,000 more than the model upon which they are based. Each one they build is sold almost the moment it arrives at the dealership. there is no practical argument to purchase one, you could buy the same motorcycle for over $10,000 less. The principle in marketing of exclusivity is to enhance the entire marque. It becomes a showcase for design and technology as well as an explanation to buyers that this model is from the same DNA as the rest of the product list. The Kia Rio is a well-made car that will get all of us to our destinations. It doesn't mean that that should be the marketplace or that's what I want to drive.

I applaud Vespa and hope we see more of the same in the future.

Well put I share your views. Can`t understand why people put so much relevance on the price the 946 was never built to be a run around work horse, Vespa already have plenty of scooters that fit this bill.

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You know, it's not just Vespa, God does the same thing. Every now and then He puts out versions of humankind that are way beyond his usual design standards and require way more expensive maintenance than is practical for the majority of us to even consider, but they are nice to look at and inspire a lot of us to do personal modifications and so forth. Here are a couple of examples:

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TheWasp Hooked Yes, I am a scooter model Joined: UTC Posts: 459 Location: Southwest United States	UTC quote Its a lot of money for 125cc scooter considering it's just a scooter to many if not all outside the Vespa community of riders. Tell the average person it's $10,000 to go 50mph on a scooter you're afraid to get a scratch on and wait for the laughs to begin.

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DailyRider28465 Molto Verboso Mia Dolce II 2017 GTV 300, Ragazzo Vespa 946, Il Pazzo BV 350, & Mia Dolce GTV 250 -sold- Joined: UTC Posts: 1730 Location: Oak Island NC	UTC quote Exactly. Never meant to appeal to the average person. The fine watch analogy has been used before. A cellphone keeps better time, but folks still pay big money for Rolex and Patek Phillippe wristwatches.

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The whinging about the 946 price is very much like "vintage" scooter riders' attitude toward modern Vespas:

I don't like it so no one else is allowed to like it.

If Piaggio cared about the above attitude, they never would have developed the Modern Vespa.

If Piaggio sells the number of 946s they wish to sell, then it's a smashing success, regardless of what the whingers say or do.

For those who want a $4,000 946, wait a while and the Chinese may grant you your wish.

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Yes the Vespa 946 is $10k.
There are also bicycles that are priced at $10k, motorcycles that are priced $40-50-60k, cars that are priced $1 million......

Are the prices justified for each one of them?
yes and no.... there is definitely intense manual labor involved for building them and each offer some type of "extreme or unusual" technology.

You can't please or reach every one, you just need to reach the ones that want it badly enough and that can afford it.
It's all about brand awareness and guess what... with the 946 it might just work!

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TheWasp wrote:

Its a lot of money for 125cc scooter considering it's just a scooter to many if not all outside the Vespa community of riders.

Tell the average person it's $10,000 to go 50mph on a scooter you're afraid to get a scratch on and wait for the laughs to begin.

Many hard core Harley riders I talk to didn't even blink. They said "who cares? It is great machine, it is your passion, nothing wrong with it." Of course i saw others who said "i got my dyna for 5 grands on the yard sale".
For me, personally, it doesn't matter 300cc or 155 because I won't ride 65-70mph anyway.

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AlexBv200 wrote:

Exactly. Cheap or expensive are relative values. Expensive doesn't always mean unaffordable, also relatively inexpensive product can't be justified for some customers. I mentioned before that i can justify 9946 for 946 but can't justify $500-800 for an iPhone.

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DailyRider28465 Molto Verboso Mia Dolce II 2017 GTV 300, Ragazzo Vespa 946, Il Pazzo BV 350, & Mia Dolce GTV 250 -sold- Joined: UTC Posts: 1730 Location: Oak Island NC	UTC quote off-topic! pet peeve ^^^ Anyone can have their cake and then eat it. We all do that. What is impossible is to EAT your cake and THEN have it. Once you consume it, it is gone, and is no longer in your possession. So, it should always be written... You can't eat your cake and have it. (Sorry, I have a very strong need to encourage linguistic logic.)

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