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This looks all right and cheap. It looks like it could go under the shock mount as well if necessary.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190776291555
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I have the tools and fabrication skills to make that Bajaj thing. I am confident that I could make it for $20 plus shipping. Maybe $15, We'll see. How long is it? Does it work on the front. I'm serious. I'm going to look through my metal rack now to see if I have enough to make a prototype and maby a small first run so some of you can test the design.

I have changed the tire on my VBA by laying it on the right side but it never occoured to me that that would not work on the hack. The car is on the right side.
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I have the tools and fabrication skills to make that Bajaj thing. I am confident that I could make it for $20 plus shipping. Maybe $15, We'll see. How long is it? Does it work on the front. I'm serious. I'm going to look through my metal rack now to see if I have enough to make a prototype and maby a small first run so some of you can test the design.

I have changed the tire on my VBA by laying it on the right side but it never occoured to me that that would not work on the hack. The car is on the right side.
I would buy it
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I'm in if you do a batch! 20 bones? Is that the new price?
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How long is it?
I drew this up so it might be a little easier for someone to make up at home.
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Dimensions: top of "C" to bottom: 10 inches; base 2.25" x 1.875"; diameter of "C": 1.75 inches. Slight curve on edge of base.
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Thanks for the drawing. That helps.

A cursory inventory of my metal pile suggests that I don't really have the proper size tube for the socket. Also it's really too cold to be working in the garage right now. I will get a piece of pipe the right size, knock one out and get back to you in a week or two.

What keeps the scooter from rolling off when it's perched up there? Are you going to need wheel chocks too?
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What keeps the scooter from rolling off when it's perched up there? Are you going to need wheel chocks too?
I've seen one used and it seemed pretty stable... as long as you have a centre stand.
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Here is a video that I found with the $10 version being used that nomadinsiam mentioned at the top of the page.
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I could be wrong here but the support in the above video will only seem to work if you have a 'rocket launcher' centre stand where you front wheel is off the ground. I therefore think that the design with the curved lip on the base plate is a better as the back wheel is lifted by rocking the bike back onto the support instead of pushing down on the handle bars and sliding the stand under the bike.

Also, it would be nice to minimise the amount of space the support stand will take in our glove compartments. My suggestion is that the base plate is made so that it can screw off from the upright. The screw off base could also be used as a slight height adjustment that may be needed on some scoots.

I do realise that this will increase the fabrication costs, but my thinking is that cheap supports are already available in the market place so lets improve on the design.
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I can't watch the video because I have dial-up.

I would be more keen if the design did not require the use of the stand because my hack does not have one and a different length would be needed for my VBA with 8 inch wheels. I'm still going to do it. I just need to know for sure what the final design will be. The colapsable and/or adjustable one would be great but would probably double the cost. It needs to be functionable but let's try to keep it simple.
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I have done a test and used a 260mm long threaded bar and tried to store the bar vertically in one corner of the glove compartment (leg shield one) and the bar just fits. With a square base plate I am unsure that the support will fit becasue of the rounded corners od the glove compartment. We would lay the support down flat at the bottom of the compartment but again this would take up space because of the base plate. Maybe someone with a support can do a test for us and check if it fits upright in the corner of the glove compartment.

I don't see how you would use the support without a centre stand though. Are you running with a side stand?
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Side car. No stand.
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Ok you should be able to use the support with a side car.

You would have to design something else though to change the side car wheel
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Using the center stand keeps the bike from rolling foreward or back. I would have to use chocks on the front. It might be easier for me to just have a small jack. That would work on the back, front or side. That doesn't mean That I don't want to make this thing. Any idea how many people want one? The more that I make the cheaper each one would be.
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Not sure how many are interested.

I suggest waiting a few days and monitoring how popular the thread is.
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"...Any idea how many people want one? The more that I make the cheaper each one would be..."
I'll be the first to commit. 8)
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I'm in if you do a batch!
I'll take one Matthew if they're under 20!
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Price still depends on final design but if they don't have any removable or threaded parts I'm confidant that it can come in at $20 or less. For 20 of the design shown I would do it for $15 plus shipping. Keep in mind that this will take a while because I will have to make a prototype and send it out to someone to test because with my sidecar rig I can't test it myself. And what about the 8 inchers? They would need a different length, right? I would want one of those myself.
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Count me in as well. Thanks
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I bought one of these bolt on engine stands from SIPS. Works like a charm. If you look closely at the right side, you`ll see it folded up. I have since learned that I can take off the engine cowl and let it go all the way up.[img][/img]
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I bought one of these bolt on engine stands from SIPS. Works like a charm. If you look closely at the right side, you`ll see it folded up. I have since learned that I can take off the engine cowl and let it go all the way up.[img][/img]
Does that stand hold the entire rear of the bike up Dan? do you have a pic with the bike up on the stand? Looks like a cool option... Thanks mang!
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Yes, it does. You leave the scooter on the center stand, push the stand down, lift the rear slightly, and take your right foot and push it down to fully extended. It works great.

I`ll try and post a pic of it in action for you.
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Yes, it does. You leave the scooter on the center stand, push the stand down, lift the rear slightly, and take your right foot and push it down to fully extended. It works great.

I`ll try and post a pic of it in action for you.
Coolio! Thanks Dan!
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I'll take one too Vintage Red Matthew
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Hey vintage red Matthew, if for whatever reason making the stands dosnt work out I could maybe purchase a bundle of the stands from the uk ebayer and send them out to you guys if it works out cheaper? If one of you is central and US post is not so bad I could send them to one person?whatever is easier.
Usually if you buy a decent amount the cost comes down too. I have had my t-shirt from astromags and some useful spares from another member sent from US to UK at reasonable priced postage and really quick service too.
So if I can help just give me a shout.
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That would be OK with me.I could switch from manufacturer to distributor. If I remember right they were about $10.50 USD. That doesn't leave much room to get them to me for less than $15. It might be cheaper to use someone on the east coast. I'm still game to make them.
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I wanted to update everyone about my progress. Which is to say not yet. I plan to make at least a few and send them out to be tested in the field. If they work then I will make as many as are wanted. I've been sidetracked by cold weather and a warm, new girlfriend. I know that you'll understand. Maybe in a week or so depending on the weather.
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Au Naturale!
Speaking of ideas... our very own master craftsman Voodoo was kind enough to send me his prototype GoodWood Tire Change Support to try!

Fine timber and hardware accompany this handy, compact, easy to stow, simple to use tool...

Simply screw the included buttasslong screws to fasten the base plate to the pre-drilled, sturdy, solid oak upper support.
Slide your GoodWood under your motor at it's lowest point by leaning the scooter up and to the left side on it's center stand.
Lower the scooter gently onto your GoodWood.

Wha-La! the tire is up off the ground and ready to be changed! And now that you're back on the road, it can be used when you reach the campout as a Takamakara! (Japanese wood pillow)

*No tires were actually changed in the making of this pictorial report... but it was very sturdy!
**GoodWood may be used 1st thing in the morning, and may be difficult to assemble after drinking!


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GoodWood it is!
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**GoodWood may should be used 1st thing in the morning, and may be difficult to assemble after drinking!
FITY & Well... I've never had a problem.

Gee thanks, Vader! But I kept the more 'artistic' prototype, you got the first class PRODUCTION model, serial # 00001!

I had to send some trim end caps down to His Eminence anyway and had just made myself one of these after reading this thread and thinking that most of these solutions might be overkill. So I sent along a 2nd one for his professional evaluation. It seems to work well, and is probably sturdier than a pop can, which was my inspiration:
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I have laid my bike on its side to change back tires, I have propped the engine on a full unopened can of coke to change tire and have used a jack to change the rear tire. All work about the same, just depends on what you have available to you at the time.
The Village Scooter stand posted by nomadinsiam doesn't appeal to me because it supports the gear selector box and I feel it's better to support crankcase directly.
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No more lying your scooter on the road, simply put the stand under the gear selector box and then you can change your puncture / wheel, with your scooter up right.
No thanks.

2X4 is about 6" long with a 'hollow' in it to cradle the low point on the motor. It's wood, so can't scratch or ding your case. The base is laminate flooring trimmed to be the same size as the 2X4. I don't want to rain on anyone's parade, but I'm happy to knock out more of these FREE for those who don't have woodworking tools, just pay postage(five bucks and change).

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The real PROTOTYPE, tire spins freely.
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So... cheap, light weight, small enuff to stow easily and VERY stable on the ground. I also like the idea that no NEW materials are used, it's all recycled. What more do you want?

PS Red Matt: Warm new girlfriend??!? Maybe I am doing you a favor!
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Red Matthew, if you are making them, count me in too.
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I like the wood idea, but its huge. I don't think it would fit in my toolbox.
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I like the wood idea, but its huge. I don't think it would fit in my toolbox.
Why you talk crazy JJ? GoodWood goes with you! There's still almost room for a small child!
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ok you got me there, but! I carry tools in my toolbox. I need smallest possible. That wood is just too big, im scared it will not fit in my box. maybe just the tip?


edit: what is that? a Bajaj?
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I love this thread!
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First off, I'd say $15 is a hell of a good deal for those that prefer the longer metal one. This is just another alternative, like the $10 one that goes under the gear selector box.
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I think that I would be happy to pay $15 plus shipping for one too.
Only thing is... I'm rocking a sidestand. 8)
Yet another downfall to trying to look cool.
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This one DOES work with a sidestand as long as it's on the proper side of the bike. If your stand is on the LEFT(wrong) side this won't work but you've probably had your bike fall over several times anyway, so you may as well just lay it over to change the tire, right?
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ok you got me there, but! I carry tools in my toolbox. I need smallest possible. That wood is just too big, im scared it will not fit in my box. maybe just the tip?
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Try it with a can of pop if you're skeptical.

YES, you CAN use just the 'tip'. The only problem is I really need to get down on my knees to position it properly. I wanted the option of just setting it alongside the motor & lifting the handlebar while I slid the stand into place with my toe(in the rare case that I'm dressed up). I also wanted to minimize storage space & so I stow it with the base screwed to the side. Also I can just use it that way if I want to get down on my knees. I'm too old to squat well.

Anyway you can make one in 10 minutes or ask me to send you one if you wanna try it. Throw it away if you don't like it.
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I think that I would be happy to pay $15 plus shipping for one too.
Only thing is... I'm rocking a sidestand. 8)
Yet another downfall to trying to look cool.
This one DOES work with a sidestand as long as it's on the proper side of the bike. If your stand is on the LEFT(wrong) side this won't work but you've probably had your bike fall over several times anyway, so you may as well just lay it over to change the tire, right?
Yeah my sidestand is on the other side Crying or Very sad emoticon Why is that considered the wrong side? I just figured it would be too much hassle to kickstart on the other side. It has never fallen over. If it came down to it though, I would not have too much of a problem laying it down gently to get the job done. I like your little wooden invention though! I had thought of the same thing actually.
That is why I love this thread, it started as advice for a roadside tirechange, and turned into the mother of inventions!
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turned into the mother of inventions!
And GoodWood IS the mother of invention from the mother of invention himself!!!
GoodWood is a must for every earthy, hippydippy,granola, scooterist out there.. Screw metal! Down w/ Metal Up w/ Wood! Up w/ Hope Down w/ Dope.. see? same difference!

I think he's talking about possibility of the bike falling over more easily with the side stand on the left... it's better on the motor side (motor weight, center of gravity.. all that stuff) BUT you've gotta make the side stand go backwards (which is no big deal, Iz done it) to go on the engine side, as they don't make a vespa side stand for the right side... I have one on my P that folds the right way and is on the right, but it's off some other kind of scooter and I haven't been able to find another one! (I've been converted back to centerstands anyhoo)

I still like the motor stand that Bullet Dan has, but the GoodWood is just so damn homegrown! Just don't look at Voodoo's pics.. look at mine..

*like those 's ? kinda makes it more realistic! Like a real item! Razz emoticon
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Yeah my sidestand is on the other side Crying or Very sad emoticon Why is that considered the wrong side? I just figured it would be too much hassle to kickstart on the other side. It has never fallen over.
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I've had TWO bikes with left hand side stands go over, just parked on a slight incline pointed the wrong way and add a VERY slight 'nudge'... maybe your stand is shorter, so your bike leans left more. Or you park more carefully than I do. I still have one bike on a lefty & ONLY park it pointed 'just so'.
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I think he's talking about possibility of the bike falling over more easily with the side stand on the left... it's better on the motor side (motor weight, center of gravity.. all that stuff) BUT you've gotta make the side stand go backwards (which is no big deal, Iz done it) to go on the engine side, as they don't make a vespa side stand for the right side... I have one on my P that folds the right way and is on the right, but it's off some other kind of scooter and I haven't been able to find another one!
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Actually There IS a rear folding RH stand for Vespas made... by me. I have been buying an inexpensive LH stand(made for Lammys?) and converting it to RH - I've done 3 so far and need to do a couple more(one for my Cosa which has gone over Crying or Very sad emoticon and REQUIRES very careful parking now. )

I like sidestands and will set up BOTH center & sidestand where I can, but I WANT a sidestand if it comes down to a choice. Here's the stock LH stand and the RH conversion. I can still use the kickstarter, it clears fine, just had to do a little tweaking on the mounting position(see red arrows).

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Maybe I shouldn't have made such comitments to make something at the start of the coldest part of the year. I don't like working when the garage is below 40f. Anyhoo, we had a couple warm days here and I knocked out two prototypes. One for 8 inch and one for 10 inch wheels. I need a couple volunteers to test them and suggest improvements. My P200 has a side car so I could not test the 10 incher but I took some pictures of the 8 inch on my VBA. I found that the easiest method was to put it on the center stand, loosen the lug nuts, position the rear stand as shown and drag the bike backward until tthe rear wheel is elevated. You might have a better method. I will send out these first two two to two different people who agree to test them and report back for the price of shipping. Who's interested?
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