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Fri Mar 22, 2013 11:24 pm linkquote
tnx Egor, i will write that number down and see where i can order it.


well because of lack of time i only rode the vespa from the dealer to home on setting 1.

i then turned it to setting 2 but only drove 5km and put it back in the garage so i can't precisely say wich setting would be better.

ps the weather is turning bad again over here, theyre predicting cold weather and melting snow and rain, welcome to Belgium, where the winter stays for 10 months
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Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:27 am linkquote
tested the rapid bike easy on setting 2 and went back to setting 1 to see what the effect was with the akrapovic.

2 was doable, it looked fine, engine ran great but on setting 1 the engine is more agile, responds better to throttle input and it revs better.

i'm staying on setting 1 for now...
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Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:16 am linkquote
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tested the rapid bike easy on setting 2 and went back to setting 1 to see what the effect was with the akrapovic.

2 was doable, it looked fine, engine ran great but on setting 1 the engine is more agile, responds better to throttle input and it revs better.

i'm staying on setting 1 for now...
I had 6.3+ but I decide to change the clutch springs from RED to Yellow. I don't like screaming my engine all the time, after change feel something go wrong.. One of My friend in Russia fing the best solution on the 2.2+set I was surprised So I ask your set.. Coz I don't know where is my Manual.. I try to find more information on internet. Just found the recommended is 6.1-2-3+ set.
So I went back to 6.2+ and now it's seems to be good..
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Thu Mar 28, 2013 6:05 am linkquote
jep, the manual suggests 6 and 1/2 or 3 depending on the tuning of the engine.

i tried 7 one time but the engine goes into limp mode then.

i had 6.2 but i went back to 6.1, this works for me...
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:48 am linkquote
update :

tried different settings, +1-+2 and +3

my findings :

+1 : revs nice but lower torque, comparable with the stock engine but a little more power.

+2 : torque is much better, revs good but not as 'clean' as on setting +1.

+3 : torque is almost a 'wow' factor on this setting but revving is a bit more difficult in my impression and top speed was harder to get.

after 250km of testing i find the seting +2 the best.

my engine specs now are :

Stock 125cc(no malossi kit etc...)
-6.5gr Dr Pulley sliders
-malossi red clutch springs
-rapid bike easy set to 6 and +2
-Akrapovic exhaust

rest is stock.


i also ordered the other DB killer suggested by our friend Egor, i would like a deeper sound, the sound now is nice and certanly not to much but i love some more grunt
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Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:28 pm linkquote
Didn't You do Mike Hollands airbox modification as wel?
I Recently did and put in à malossi airfilter.
Very happy with THE result.
Next step rapidbike easy maybe.
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Fri Apr 05, 2013 7:54 am linkquote
yes but the dealer has put in a stock airfilter in it during maintenance and i have to swap it back when i can find some time...
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Fri Apr 05, 2013 10:19 pm linkquote
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yes but the dealer..
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yes but the dealer..
DB Killer you will love it!!

Same thing, for traffic lights race the best opportunity is 6.3+ but I feel the same thing with top speed..
6.2+ just perfect.. But I wish to try 2.2+ like my friend did.. and happy.. ))

For the filter mod - I suggest you to by one spear cover of the filter is about 15euro + Malossi sponge filter. and have them on your scoot.. change to stock just before service it's just 3-4 screws which can take of by your hand!!

I hade very interesting story.. When i bout my Vespa they give me one year warranty, but I read this Mike filter mode just before my first revision and oil change with filters etc.

I pay about 150euro for full service.. and in that day i went home to make Mike mode and red Malossi filter.. And I was so surprised when i saw they just clean the stock filter.. not change!! but in my bill it was a point of about 20euro for new stock filter.. It was my first and last warranty service )))

PS. Just for fun check your service like I did with mine ))
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Sun Apr 07, 2013 7:17 am linkquote
2.2 ?? i need to try that, maybe it drives better then ?

yes i'm curious about the DB killer, bought it for under 50EUR incl. shipping in Holland, i only have to wait 1 week or more but it was 20EUR cheaper then somewhere else.
(normally i do not care much about prices but he had it in stock and happened to be cheaper so i win 2x )

yes maybe you are right, maybe they just cleaned the malossi filter but i feel a difference in throttle response, i think they actually put in a new original filter and tossed my almost new malossi filter away, they said the mechanic prefers stock filters

i have a better story for my first service, they pushed the bike in, let me sit waiting in the waiting room, 1u exactly later they pushed it outside, i payed 130EUR and drove home.

a few weeks later i almost had no oil in the engine and i almost destroyed it, i went to my new dealer and we investegated everything and looked at the invoice, the invoice said everything was changed but in the end we saw that there was NOTHING done to the engine (!!!!!!!).
even the little bit of oil still in the engine was very black and as thin as water !!!

i'm going to change the contra spring + put in a malossi torque converter nylon thingy and then i will change the airfilter to my spare malossi filter
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Mon Apr 08, 2013 12:38 am linkquote
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2.2 ?? i need to try that, maybe it drives better then ?

yes i'm curious about the DB killer, bought it for under 50EUR incl. shipping in Holland, i only have to wait 1 week or more but it was 20EUR cheaper then somewhere else.
(normally i do not care much about prices but he had it in stock and happened to be cheaper so i win 2x )

yes maybe you are right, maybe they just cleaned the malossi filter but i feel a difference in throttle response, i think they actually put in a new original filter and tossed my almost new malossi filter away, they said the mechanic prefers stock filters

i have a better story for my first service, they pushed the bike in, let me sit waiting in the waiting room, 1u exactly later they pushed it outside, i payed 130EUR and drove home.

a few weeks later i almost had no oil in the engine and i almost destroyed it, i went to my new dealer and we investegated everything and looked at the invoice, the invoice said everything was changed but in the end we saw that there was NOTHING done to the engine (!!!!!!!).
even the little bit of oil still in the engine was very black and as thin as water !!!

i'm going to change the contra spring + put in a malossi torque converter nylon thingy and then i will change the airfilter to my spare malossi filter
But did you cut the filter cover? it's nothing Malossi or OEM filter according to cut box mod?
You have already exhaust, Rapid ECU and stock intake? it's WRONG man.. do it immediately you will increase air to your engine, you will love it.. Sound of the engine, speed!! and feeling from your scoot.. Your Vespa will be happy ))
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I made two holes in my air box... And happy
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Mon Apr 08, 2013 1:12 am linkquote
yes i did that a long time ago, i cut the airbox cover and i enlarged the hole in the airbox itself + the malossi filter, this was a huge difference in throttle response !

as far as i know they only put in a stock filter so when i have time i will switch it back to a malossi
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Tue Apr 09, 2013 5:11 am linkquote
just replaced the new stock filter with my spare malossi filter and put in some extra oil in the engine, i needed 300ml(?!) to be topped up

time to begin making some time to do my maintenance myself, in the old days i had more time and i did everything myself back then and it was always flawless...
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Wed Apr 10, 2013 4:40 am linkquote
well... i'm F**ked !!

i got the DB killer in the mail, i went ahead to install it and drove 25km untill the exhaust was hot and tried to remove the bolt.

it did not work and now my allan key has no grip on the bolt anymore, and yes i'm using proper allan keys with a rounded head...

i have no idea what to do now
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:09 am linkquote
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well... i'm F**ked !!

i got the DB killer in the mail, i went ahead to install it and drove 25km untill the exhaust was hot and tried to remove the bolt.

it did not work and now my allan key has no grip on the bolt anymore, and yes i'm using proper allan keys with a rounded head...

i have no idea what to do now
If I understood you right you make round inside your bolt?
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSfccVpZLm8TC2DiwNr6BDnK6n0maK6IA8FXG3Mkk5X4yEbfV44

and now your bolt not coming out?

It's easy man.. Сut your bolt in two sides.. and make it like in the right bottom bolt..

http://pics.livejournal.com/tema/pic/000cy0gb

and then unscrew it by large flat-blade screwdriver
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:12 am linkquote
That's the problem, the bolt sits in a angle 10cm deep in the exhaust ((
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:31 am linkquote
And i suggest you for first time take off your exhaust and press out your stock DB killer.. it wont damage your stock db killer..
Because for first time factory press it very hard.. and by taking out you will damage your stock db killer ))
But you can try ))

For example. on the day a install my Akra I wanted to take it at all..
And my mechanic spend about 20-30min trying but it want go out.. So he take the exhaust and push it from the other side ))
after first time it will go normally 8)
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:33 am linkquote
Yes that is a good idea bit i must get the broken bolt out first
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:38 am linkquote
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That's the problem, the bolt sits in a angle 10cm deep in the exhaust ((
I have no idea how you do this alone ))
But in any car or moto service they will find the way hot to take it out..


Congratulations.. you take off the virgin of your Akra..
But it's became like 1.Lost few times somewhere on the way.. 2.waiting for so long.. 3.wheather was not good to take it on time.. and now this 4? bolt inside your Akra )) it's funny Sleeper )) and for me the black color looks cheaper it's 5!!
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 8:43 am linkquote
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Yes that is a good idea bit i must get the broken bolt out first
I think the only way to do this it's take out your exhaust.. cut your stock db killer and take out from inside ))
Or Drill it out.. make bigger hole, and it will come inside remove the stock db killer with the rest of metal inside from the bolt..
Any way you have the new db killer and you will install it easy ))
will be happy ))
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:10 pm linkquote
i began grinding away the stud from the bolt that you can see if you look at the back of the exhaust were the DB killer is.

i did it with a dremel but my dremel is 8y old and when the bolt stud was 2/3 the bearings of the dremel gave up

so if i buy a new dremel i can continue grinding and eventually get the DB killer out
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:18 pm linkquote
I had THE Same problem when I tried to take out THE db killer from my Leo Vintage.
I gave up, but in tour case That's not an option of course.
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:40 pm linkquote
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I had THE Same problem when I tried to take out THE db killer from my Leo Vintage.
I gave up, but in tour case That's not an option of course.
that bolt is going to die !

the construction of the exhaust makes it very difficult to remove is without damaging the exhaust so i'm being carefull, i ordered a new and better dremel and special cutting tools, next week i will try again !
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:51 pm linkquote
drill out the bolt with a small drill and turn in a left side thread cutter
(gaatje boren en een linkse tap er in draaien)

Or one of those special cone shaped cutters that jam them self into the drilled hole gripping onto the bolt tat way.
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 12:55 pm linkquote
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drill out the bolt with a small drill and turn in a left side thread cutter
(gaatje boren en een linkse tap er in draaien)

Or one of those special cone shaped cutters that jam them self into the drilled hole gripping onto the bolt tat way.
It's not that easy, the bolt is integrated in the mufler, you need to put a Allen key with a round head diagonal in the muffler(blind) and them try to loosen it.

There is no way you can get to the bolt without destroying or demanteling the entire exhaust by drilling the rivets etc.
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 1:02 pm linkquote
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Bommes wrote:
drill out the bolt with a small drill and turn in a left side thread cutter
(gaatje boren en een linkse tap er in draaien)

Or one of those special cone shaped cutters that jam them self into the drilled hole gripping onto the bolt tat way.
It's not that easy, the bolt is integrated in the mufler, you need to put a Allen key with a round head diagonal in the muffler(blind) and them try to loosen it.

There is no way you can get to the bolt without destroying or demanteling the entire exhaust by drilling the rivets etc.
Sleeper can you do the picture of what you did to your exhaust )) Coz I'm just misunderstand whats going on with your Akra ))) You shore it's not Chinese or so? ))
Sorry.. But It's my second Akra on the moto.. they made it from pure stillness
what you do even if you go for half hour with 300km/h it's not possible to burn it or so!! My mind just don't understand what's going ON!! Show me the Photo!!!
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 9:59 pm linkquote
i will try to make a photo later, the bolt is just on a stupid place and almost unreachable even with the exhaust of it does'nt matter, it stays almost unreachable

i will show you and then you will understand...
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:08 pm linkquote
I removed & replaced the db-killer of my Remus +10 times...
Never had an issue with that.
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Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:34 pm linkquote
photo's

(appearantly i can't get all the photo's in 1 post so i'm forced to to it in several posts...)


the akra

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Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:39 pm linkquote
This is the larger DB killer that i'm going to use as example...

note : pay attention to the bolt.



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Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:40 pm linkquote
this is how the DB killer sits in the muffler...

note : the bolt is wayy at the back of the exhaust !



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Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:41 pm linkquote
here i have to put in the allen key at roughly this angle to get at that damn bolt...



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Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:42 pm linkquote
this is how it would look like inside...

and yes i know it's the wrong key, i just grabbed on from my bench.



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Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:43 pm linkquote
this is a top shot of the back of the DB killer, you can see the stud where the bolt threads in.

it's that stud i want to take of so the bolt will fall out and i can pul out the old DB killer but that will become clear in the next photo...



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Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:44 pm linkquote
this is wat i did untill my dremel tool died on me...

it's almost gone...



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Thu Apr 11, 2013 11:57 pm linkquote
Okay clear now.
Think your going the right way by trying to break and grind out that welded on nut in there.
That's the only way to, and the safest way, if you scratch something then its the db killer witch is going in the bin anyway.

Have patience it will come out..
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Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:34 am linkquote
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this is wat i did untill my dremel tool died on me...

it's almost gone...
Shit I don't understood any way!!
Why your bolt not in the same as hole for bolt? Can you make upside-down Photo so it can bee sean from the bottom?
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Fri Apr 12, 2013 1:34 am linkquote
I will go to garage and make photo of mine ))

Thats the situation!!(c) My wife

Now I'm understood whats going on..
I don't know what to suggest.. But I will drilled this beautiful bolt by drill and take it off.. the hole big enough to make it..

I make photo of mine ))


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Mon Apr 15, 2013 3:20 am linkquote
finally got the sh*t screw undone !

i got my new dremel tool in the mail today and i inmediatly began dremeling the screw stud out, after 45min of trying + removing the exhaust it came loose and i could take out the DB killer

sorry for the blurry pictures, i was in a hurry to go to work, the sound is already better on idle now i only have to drive it tomorrow to test









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