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Veni, Vidi, Posti
74 Super, 75 Super, PX project, LML off-roader and '66 Blue Badge Smallframe
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I've been getting the impression that smaller squish seems to be used on more peaky motors, and bigger on a more touring tune. Not sure if that is some kind of rule or just me reading something in to something that isn't there. Vader would possibly know... Patrick (OopsClunkThud) has done some work on squish gap velocity... have you seen this? Squish gap
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Something is astray there vespigi.

You measured your:
Squish @ 1.9mm
Deck height @ 1.3mm
But that looks like a 'zero squish head' (im using my phone so maybe its not)??
It does look good and the price is reasonable too. Although Im not entirely convinced at the way the spark plug hole/combustion chamber looks. Is this a reprofiled head? Im just nit picking. I want ! I want! I want!

Its not so much about the compression ratio, thats a guide but more about actual compression. The differences can be felt 'under foot' when kicking the starter.

I wouldnt be too concerned about the dykes ring.... So long as the ring is cooling itself as much as possible on the cylinder walls, and finishes level/flush/very slightly above or way below the exhaust port @ BDC then it will be fine. Different thickness/no base gasket can fine tune this and your port timings.
I think its in the Jennings book of tuning that mentions about pistons with Dykes rings that need measuring slightly difference. (For port timings, combustion chamber volume etc).

1.9mm squish is not massive anyway.

I really want one of these kits!!!!!!!
Its about time a torquey tourer kit can be fitted straight out of the box (pretty much) without all the headaches.
Sounds very impressive and what a lot of people want Razz emoticon
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JimVanMorrissey wrote:
@Agent Top End: The rest of the kit -- the barrel, that is -- looks just like the Aluminum Polini 210. Nothing nearly as space-aged as that 221-specific head.

swa45, Willie B: Installation of the kit was pretty much plug-and-play for me. The bulk of the work I'd already done on my cases with Polini's 210 kit; lucky for me the porting on the 221 longstroker matched that on the 57mm 210. It was a fair bit of dremelling but nothing too onerous, maybe 3-4 hours of patient grinding away and sanding. And that was for a n00b klike me.

Re. crank: I installed that rather overpriced 60mm Polini that they claimed was more or less built for these purposes.

Re. exhaust: I was going for more of a touring setup so I ran it with the SIP Road. Pretty conservative, I guess. I'm thinking about trying Scooter Center's BGM Big Box this spring though.

Re. ignition: I just installed it at the recommended 19 degrees and that ran fine. I briefly toyed with the Kheper variable ignition, but I either fried the unit or mine was faulty (probably the former) so I just pulled that. I'm going to try the Smart booster from Kytronic next. Magg over in another thread seemed to get good results with his.

Re. jetting etc.: I'm running with Polini's cheap but remarkably effective venturi intake on a 26/26 Spaco carb. The most appropriate main jet with this setup, I've found, is a big fat 138. (Combined with the 160/BE3, which I haven't fiddled with yet.) I also installed a slightly fatter slow jet, which made for a brighter and torque-ier engine at low revs.

Re. handling all that extra power: I'm using a reinforced, 10-spring Cosa 2 clutch basket from BGM, which thus far hasn't complained about anything. Between the top end and the rear wheel I'm running a 24-tooth clutch cog from DRT, which lengthens the gearing about 6% I believe, and the shorter 4th gear. Lots of people on here recommended this combination and I'm loving it: 1st gear actually makes sense now, and the shift from 3rd to 4th, if I'm really giving it the beans, feels great.

Re. tires -- just standard 3.5 x 10 for now. I'm thinking of the 100/90-10's for the spring though.

As for results? I was very happy with the way it worked out. My goal was to end up with a beefy touring bike that didn't lose any of the traditional PX200 characteristics, i.e. a tractor-like power band that's nice for farting around the city, but also had some racing tendencies. I thrash through the gears and it just pulls in this very linear fashion all the way up to 4th gear at 130km/h at around 7800-7900RPM. And in 3rd I can get it to touch 105km/h at around 8200-8300 RPM. This setup was able to do Belgrade-->Vienna (620km) in 7 hours, no problem. Fuel economy above 110km/h is terrible; cruising at 95km/h, meanwhile, I suspect I might be less thirsty than a stock PX200 doing the same speed, considering this rig does that at less than half throttle.

Another nice way to compare speed and performance is that this setup now has *exactly* the same specs as my friend's GTS300. We've raced against each other down the highway a few times and the two bikes have exactly the same acceleration and top speed. I mean we start from a standstill and thrash the bikes and three minutes later we're literally neck and neck.

Cheers
Sean
Hi , can you be more specific on the slightly fatter slow jet , I'm building nearly the same spec as you and hopefully the carb settings will be similar . Thanks
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JimVanMorrissey wrote:
@Agent Top End: The rest of the kit -- the barrel, that is -- looks just like the Aluminum Polini 210. Nothing nearly as space-aged as that 221-specific head.

swa45, Willie B: Installation of the kit was pretty much plug-and-play for me. The bulk of the work I'd already done on my cases with Polini's 210 kit; lucky for me the porting on the 221 longstroker matched that on the 57mm 210. It was a fair bit of dremelling but nothing too onerous, maybe 3-4 hours of patient grinding away and sanding. And that was for a n00b like me.

Re. crank: I installed that rather overpriced 60mm Polini that they claimed was more or less built for these purposes.

Re. exhaust: I was going for more of a touring setup so I ran it with the SIP Road. Pretty conservative, I guess. I'm thinking about trying Scooter Center's BGM Big Box this spring though.

Re. ignition: I just installed it at the recommended 19 degrees and that ran fine. I briefly toyed with the Kheper variable ignition, but I either fried the unit or mine was faulty (probably the former) so I just pulled that. I'm going to try the Smart booster from Kytronic next. Magg over in another thread seemed to get good results with his.

Re. jetting etc.: I'm running with Polini's cheap but remarkably effective venturi intake on a 26/26 Spaco carb. The most appropriate main jet with this setup, I've found, is a big fat 138. (Combined with the 160/BE3, which I haven't fiddled with yet.) I also installed a slightly fatter slow jet, which made for a brighter and torque-ier engine at low revs.

Re. handling all that extra power: I'm using a reinforced, 10-spring Cosa 2 clutch basket from BGM, which thus far hasn't complained about anything. Between the top end and the rear wheel I'm running a 24-tooth clutch cog from DRT, which lengthens the gearing about 6% I believe, and the shorter 4th gear. Lots of people on here recommended this combination and I'm loving it: 1st gear actually makes sense now, and the shift from 3rd to 4th, if I'm really giving it the beans, feels great.

Re. tires -- just standard 3.5 x 10 for now. I'm thinking of the 100/90-10's for the spring though.

As for results? I was very happy with the way it worked out. My goal was to end up with a beefy touring bike that didn't lose any of the traditional PX200 characteristics, i.e. a tractor-like power band that's nice for farting around the city, but also had some racing tendencies. I thrash through the gears and it just pulls in this very linear fashion all the way up to 4th gear at 130km/h at around 7800-7900RPM. And in 3rd I can get it to touch 105km/h at around 8200-8300 RPM. This setup was able to do Belgrade-->Vienna (620km) in 7 hours, no problem. Fuel economy above 110km/h is terrible; cruising at 95km/h, meanwhile, I suspect I might be less thirsty than a stock PX200 doing the same speed, considering this rig does that at less than half throttle.

Another nice way to compare speed and performance is that this setup now has *exactly* the same specs as my friend's GTS300. We've raced against each other down the highway a few times and the two bikes have exactly the same acceleration and top speed. I mean we start from a standstill and thrash the bikes and three minutes later we're literally neck and neck.

Cheers
Sean
Hi Sean , I have just had my engine built to a very similar spec , only difference is I'm running a std 24/24 p2 carb , can I ask how you are finding the 26 mil with the Venturi , I have heard good and bad about this combination and I'm very tempted to go for it but would be great to hear how it's going , also did you over jet to run it in or go with the jets you mentioned from day one , many thanks jay
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I checked my kit after this picture. Here, I found interesting, they use an A piston in a B cylinder kit...Mine has B to B.

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