Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:18 pm

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Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:18 pm linkquote
I've got a motion pro degree wheel that's non magnetic. I'm thinking a nut and bolt combination to screw it on to the end of the crank, but would like to see how others accomplish using the degree wheel.
Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:22 pm

Hooked
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Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:22 pm linkquote
I bought a rare earth magnet that was rated at 15 pounds. I put a tiny bit of sandpaper between the magnet and wheel to help the two parts move together. Otherwise the wheel just spun on the magnet, and I would lose my place. It worked ok, but I am sure there is a better suggestion.
Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:47 pm

Mr. Clean
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Fri Aug 23, 2013 1:47 pm linkquote
This.. but I'm going to make a 9" wheel out of aluminum to use with same bracket





Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:55 pm

Molto Verboso
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Fri Aug 23, 2013 2:55 pm linkquote
Vader19 wrote:
This.. but I'm going to make a 9" wheel out of aluminum to use with same bracket
Now, that's one smok'in wheel dude!
Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:03 pm

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Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:03 pm linkquote
Abuello wrote:
Vader19 wrote:
This.. but I'm going to make a 9" wheel out of aluminum to use with same bracket
Now, that's one smok'in wheel dude!
BGM, but the thillies went through all the trouble of putting nifty looking sun graphics on, but couldn't manage to put any numbers on.. on EITHER side! form? function?
Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:42 pm

Primasarah
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Fri Aug 23, 2013 3:42 pm linkquote
Someone on this forum should do a YouTube "How To" video in regards to setting ignition timing.
Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:12 pm

Molto Verboso
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Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:12 pm linkquote
True... I wish SIP would make a video.
Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:16 pm

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Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:16 pm linkquote
TravisNJ wrote:
Someone on this forum should do a YouTube "How To" video in regards to setting ignition timing.
I need to do the timing on my MotoBi this weekend. Process is the same so I'll see what I can do.
Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:57 pm

Primasarah
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Fri Aug 23, 2013 4:57 pm linkquote
Patrick, I'll be forever in your debt if you can. I need to re-time my Rally 200 for a Hot Rod Al cylinder (runs @ 18 degrees) head instead of the stock P200 head.
Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:30 pm

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Fri Aug 23, 2013 5:30 pm linkquote
Finding TDC and your desired timing mark
OK!.. Ready?

What you'll need:
* Degree wheel
* Pointer (wire / coat hanger)
* Piston stopper
* Something to mark the cae and flywheel with (Sharpie / tiny paint brush / file etc.)


1 - Put the degree wheel on your crank / flywheel.

2 - Set up a pointer (piece of wire or coat hanger) on a flywheel cover screw.

3 - Put a piston stopper in the sparkplug hole.

4 - Roate the crank CLOCKWISE until the crown of the piston hits the stopper and it stops.

5 - Set the degree wheel to 0 (with the pointer) (Be careful not to move the degree wheel independantly of the flywheel when you're rotating the flywheel)

6 - Rotate the crank / flywheel COUNTER CLOCKWISE until it stops.

7 - Write this number down (we'll call this "number 1")

8 - Subtract "number 1"from 360 (the result will be "number 2")

9) Divide "number 2" by 2 (the result will be "number 3")

10 - Add "number 3" to "number 1" (the result will be "number 4")

11 - Remove the piston stopper.

12 - Continue to rotate the crank past where you stopped COUNTER CLOCKWISE until your degree wheel reads "number 4" at the pointer you've made out of a wire)

13 - Mark your flywheel and case here.. this is TDC..

Done!... It's that easy!



To get to say 18 degrees BTDC for example, rotate the flywheel COUNTER CLOCKWISE 18 degrees from your new TDC mark... Mark the flyweel.. this number will be to the RIGHT of your TDC mark on the flywheel.


.... and if you doubt youself, look in the head with a flahslight and you piston should be right up at the top.. if it isn't you've done something wrong.


BGM Degree Wheeel (nice but come with no numbers.. print one out and glue it on)




You want the wire pointer to be as close to the numbers on the degree wheel as possible.

Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:34 pm

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Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:34 pm linkquote
TravisNJ wrote:
Patrick, I'll be forever in your debt if you can. I need to re-time my Rally 200 for a Hot Rod Al cylinder (runs @ 18 degrees) head instead of the stock P200 head.
Dude..I have a piston stop, wheel and a timing light...we can git er done!
Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:43 pm

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Fri Aug 23, 2013 7:43 pm linkquote
One of the better timing videos I have seen. Turn on the captions for English

Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:26 pm

Primasarah
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Fri Aug 23, 2013 8:26 pm linkquote
ScooterRaton wrote:
TravisNJ wrote:
Patrick, I'll be forever in your debt if you can. I need to re-time my Rally 200 for a Hot Rod Al cylinder (runs @ 18 degrees) head instead of the stock P200 head.
Dude..I have a piston stop, wheel and a timing light...we can git er done!
Thanks bro! My cylinder head is going off to Al next week. I've got everything except the timing light (buzzetti piston stop, motion pro degree wheel, and pinasco degree holder). Anytime you want to roll by after it gets back would be awesome. You, Rogger and I should go out riding (I should have the P220 jetted solid by then!).
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Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:48 am

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Sat Mar 28, 2015 7:48 am linkquote
Vader19 wrote:
This.. but I'm going to make a 9" wheel out of aluminum to use with same bracket
im in the process of timing my px,and i want to buy this degree wheel..i see in the scooter center photos that it comes with some round thingies you supposed to fit them on the crancshaft?or you need another tool as well to fit the disc?cheers!
Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:50 am

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Sat Mar 28, 2015 9:50 am linkquote
For a while I used a rare earth magnet with a Motion Pro wheel but eventually grew concerned about the proximity of such a strong magnet near the flywheel magnets and stopped. I finally broke down and ordered one of those cool Pinasco holders pictured above and it's awesome.

Edit:
The holder is a little pricey, but it came down to one of those decisions between just spending the $$ for the right tool vs cobbling something together each time I needed it.
Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:02 am

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Sat Mar 28, 2015 10:02 am linkquote
well bgm sells this timing disc with a couple adaptors,,are these for screwing the disc onto place?or i need to buy a pinaco tool for exaple?scooter center or bgm,dont sell one!!http://www.scooter-center.com/en/product/BGM8809/Timing+degree+disc+BGM+Pro+alloy+black?meta=BGM8809*scd_ALL_en*s1422321265296*degree%20disc%20holder*1*1*1*16
Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:16 pm

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Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:16 pm linkquote
I wound up just drilling the inside of the disc with a step bit until it was just beg enough to actually screw on to the end of the fly wheel puller. Take the bolt out of the fly wheel puller, screw on the degree wheel, put the bolt back in and screw the puller into the fly wheel.
Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:35 pm

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Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:35 pm linkquote
Seems like waaaaay too much work and expense for a measly timing wheel...

Why not just cut out the disc below, glue it to some cardboard, cut a hole in the center, and stick it on the flywheel with a fridge magnet? Boom, done.



Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:47 pm

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Sat Mar 28, 2015 12:47 pm linkquote
I got a hot glue gun and glued a nut onto the back of my disc. It threads onto the crank tight, and I dont worry about it sliding out of position.
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