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not intended as slagging on Vespa, but mostly informing on the fact that most people purchasing the new Vespas are frankly, sheep, and this is not Piaggio's fault and kudos to them for taking advantage of it
I'm a little offended by being called a sheep, and it's a huge generalisation, not to mention a bold statement to make on this forum.

You're aware I'm sure that the Scomadi 300 has the Vespa Quasar engine in it?
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I am looking forward to seeing how it pans out for Lambretta.
I don't see how that works, given that Lambretta is a defunct business, other than for Scomadi to have created a supply of some parts that can be swapped into vintage models. Though that won't be acceptable to many purists any more than Lambrettas that have had bike or auto engines chopped into them. Lambretta isn't an entity anymore, its a past product in the hands of proud owners.
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not intended as slagging on Vespa, but mostly informing on the fact that most people purchasing the new Vespas are frankly, sheep, and this is not Piaggio's fault and kudos to them for taking advantage of it
I'm a little offended by being called a sheep, and it's a huge generalisation, not to mention a bold statement to make on this forum.
You should really be spending your money on old scooters that haven't been cool in 40 years.
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When I refer to "Lambretta" like that I am using it to mean the hobby in its totality - everyone involved in owning, using, knowing, manufacture, etc.



I the event someone ever says something about "sheep," you'll never see me get offended because I know they aren't talking about me. I can say for certain I'm not a follower.
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In an attempt to lighten the mood......
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In the interest of balance....
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Haha...
Haha nice one Bitz.....

But.....

You sure you're not trying to pull the wool over my eyes?
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I'll get me fucking coat........

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I the event someone ever says something about "sheep," you'll never see me get offended because I know they aren't talking about me. I can say for certain I'm not a follower.
classic trolling lad Laughing emoticon

baaaaaaa
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baaaaaaa
Sorry about that. It wasn't my intention. We all choose what we want to be offended by.

The Scomadi stuff will be pitched to an entirely different type of consumer than Piaggio aimed at.

I was being more colorful than necessary.
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For fucks sake, what the hell are you all even carrying on about?

I think this is an interesting project. Would like to see them go from plastic to sheet metal and eliminate some of the cheaper looking elements. This would generate more success for them.
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as I said.. if I had the spare money, I would buy one.. Not to replace a proper lambretta or vespa, but to have what I think is a good looking automatic.. They didn't just throw this thing together all willy-nilly.. they've put a lot into it and I bet it's a nice ride..
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Not available yet, I think.
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No it's available.. they were even going to put my anti-dive tab on, but I choked and went w/ my original fork..

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Scomadi is just a scooter. It has as much of a connection to Innocenti's scooters built on the banks of the Lambro as a GTS has to a P200. Which is to say a connection tenuous enough to allow the modern model to cope with modern life, yet close enough to share a few delicate design similarities. I like them both but with reservations. Hell, I have reservations about my P200, and I'm thinking of commuting with spare underwear after yesterday's sudden loss of speed by a confused R V. Truly the front drum is wooden, but in 1979 it wasn't such an issue as discs didn't work in the wet...

As for sheep, well, there is nothing new under the sun anywhere as any history book will reveal. Such comments are unworthy in a forum with a wide range of ages, life experience, success and failure. To be a sheep in the world of scootering may very well be a fine refuge, a reassuring distraction, to the woman who leads the discovery of the cure for the common cold. A sheep I would welcome into this fold.
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Any scooter is all right by me. One Less Car using up valuable resources and polluting the planet.
Too bad Bajaj wouldn't see the retro trend and put the 150 sprint(Chetak)back in production for export. LML had the good sense to do it and I'd choose the sprint over the P in a heartbeat. That glove-box, I'd never have to carry a bag or backpack again. Sans reflectors and signal lights, of course.
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Too bad Bajaj wouldn't see the retro trend and put the 150 sprint(Chetak)back in production for export. LML had the good sense to do it and I'd choose the sprint over the P in a heartbeat. That glove-box, I'd never have to carry a bag or backpack again. Sans reflectors and signal lights, of course.
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Double glovebox goodness without the bodge. You wouldn't even need a rear rack except for the oversized stuff. I kind of wish I could add a cowl glovebox to the Stella but I can't.
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Any scooter is all right by me. One Less Car using up valuable resources and polluting the planet.
Too bad Bajaj wouldn't see the retro trend and put the 150 sprint(Chetak)back in production for export. LML had the good sense to do it and I'd choose the sprint over the P in a heartbeat. That glove-box, I'd never have to carry a bag or backpack again. Sans reflectors and signal lights, of course.
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Double glovebox goodness without the bodge. You wouldn't even need a rear rack except for the oversized stuff. I kind of wish I could add a cowl glovebox to the Stella but I can't.
I've seen those around. This one is from india. They're out there.
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I've got a photo somewhere (but can't find it) of a 'fleet' of delivery Bajaj/Sprints with the big glovebox fitted, and the same thing fitted on the other side... ie facing forward! Actually didn't look nearly as bad as it sounds.
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I've seen those gloveboxes before and love one but they won't work on a 4T. The glovebox is open on the scooter side because the 2T monocoque frame has a wall, the 4T tube frame is open.
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Any scooter is all right by me. One Less Car using up valuable resources and polluting the planet.
Most bikes and small engines, especially 2 strokes, have higher emissions than cars and trucks (take a look at California's emission laws regarding 2t motors). The catalytic converter on bikes are far less effective or non existent. While the CO2 levels are lower from less gas being burnt (with a cat exhaust), the CO and oxides of nitrogen from the 2t oil inhibiting the fuel from burning completely, are significantly higher. Scooters are polluting machines and do nothing to help the planet. Better gas mileage helps your wallet, not the environment.
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Any scooter is all right by me. One Less Car using up valuable resources and polluting the planet.
Most bikes and small engines, especially 2 strokes, have higher emissions than cars and trucks (take a look at California's emission laws regarding 2t motors). The catalytic converter on bikes are far less effective or non existent. While the CO2 levels are lower from less gas being burnt (with a cat exhaust), the CO and oxides of nitrogen from the 2t oil inhibiting the fuel from burning completely, are significantly higher. Scooters are polluting machines and do nothing to help the planet. Better gas mileage helps your wallet, not the environment.
Not totally correct.

first off, there are no California emissions laws regarding two strokes; they have to meet the same standards as any other gasoline engine. no more or less strict.

Second, pre-2006, the stella actually met California tailpipe emissions. what kept it out of California was the lack of an evaporative emissions system. i.e. it had a vented gearbox and gas tank.

third, genuine did develop and test a prototype 2t stella that met post 2006 California emissions, however the LML strike in 2006 led genuine to turn the focus to the PGO-sourced models, predominantly the buddy. the buddy turned out to be such a cash cow with much less warranty issues that Genuine shifted resources, putting more towards the PGO/Buddy products and to not bring the stricter emissions compliant genuine 2t to market. the modifications were not that extensive, a supplemental air system like the new PX's have and an evap containment system. they even had some 90% produced that ended up sitting on LML's factory floor during the strike, until LML sold them for parts to raise some cash halfway thru the strike. if the strike wouldn't have happened, we would have had 2t stellas in california in late 2006 or early 2007.

fourth, there is a DIRECT comparison of 4t 150 scooter to stella 2t 150 scooter that can be made. Bajaj. in the early 2000's both the Stella and the Bajaj were tested and EPA certified and these numbers can be found with enough google digging. from memory, the CO emissions on the stella were something like four times less than the Bajaj, and the oxides of nitrogen emissions were something like 20% higher on the two stroke.

while two strokes can pollute more than a four stroke, it isn't necessarily so when the same level of emissions reduction technology normally applied to most four stroke automobile engines is applied. this isn't usually the case, and the stella is probably one of the last efforts we'll see to do anything like that.
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Oh shit, I opened a can of worms. The Stella 4T was marketed as a "super clean environmentally friendly" bike. The amount of energy that goes into manufacturing and shipping would be considerably less than a car, per unit. Just less stuff and more units on a ship. That is, if the manufacturing facility is relatively environmentally friendly. A plant in india? Anyways, definitely fewer barrels of oil and more recycled steel. I think I read somewhere LML uses recycled steel. I could be wrong. We can all agree scooting is just good fun.
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What a funny old World it would be if we all had to ride around on Stella Four Strokes. 8.3hp to save the polar bears? Well, okay then, count me in, with a barrel of Loctite and lots of time to get where I'm going.
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Well this thread has taken a few twists and turns.
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Well this thread has taken a few twists and turns.
What was the subject again?
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What was the subject again?
That LML alloy is exceptionally lightweight & their parts are crap, & they forgot to use the good Indian Rubber Trees. I think?
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Well this thread has taken a few twists and turns.
What was the subject again?
That LML alloy is exceptionally lightweight & their parts are crap, & they forgot to use the good Indian Rubber Trees. I think?
& hopefully someone makes a copy of this
& hopefully someone makes a copy of this
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What a funny old World it would be if we all had to ride around on Stella Four Strokes. 8.3hp to save the polar bears? Well, okay then, count me in, with a barrel of Loctite and lots of time to get where I'm going.
The 2011 PX150 only has 7.9 hp to meet Euro 3 emissions, oh, and it's made with a substantial amount of LML parts.
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The 2011 PX150 only has 7.9 hp to meet Euro 3 emissions, oh, and it's made with a substantial amount of LML parts.[/quote]

I don't think so. Look at some back posts from Rob Hodge about LML-Piaggio.
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Claude wrote:
Any scooter is all right by me. One Less Car using up valuable resources and polluting the planet.
Most bikes and small engines, especially 2 strokes, have higher emissions than cars and trucks (take a look at California's emission laws regarding 2t motors). The catalytic converter on bikes are far less effective or non existent. While the CO2 levels are lower from less gas being burnt (with a cat exhaust), the CO and oxides of nitrogen from the 2t oil inhibiting the fuel from burning completely, are significantly higher. Scooters are polluting machines and do nothing to help the planet. Better gas mileage helps your wallet, not the environment.
Not sure I agree, although the emissions are as high if not higher, if I drove my car to the city centre in rush hour it takes at least an hour, more if it's particularly busy, if I use my T5 (which I do every day) it takes maybe 20 minutes. Less time Fucking about at standstill traffic ticking over has got to mean I'm pumping out less harmful emission than if I was in the car
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so the Scomadi 300 might be getting the 27hp Kymco engine?

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Saw the MSC Special 172 at Burton Brewers on Saturday, I was very impressed with the look of it, it had a proper presence about it IMO..
I agree. I'm liking the look of that...
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A Scomadi 300 with Kymco motor would be ideal. Never mind the horsepower, a bonus, but reliability.
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