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I spent Thanksgiving holiday in NYC and was really amazed at all the scoots I saw. I've been to NYC more times than I could possibly remember and never really paid attention to the scoots. I guess because I am riding now, I notice them more. I was trying to keep a tab on how many I saw, but I completely lost count there were so many.

I must have counted at least 75 Vespas over the four days I was there. It seemed the most popular was the LX model followed by 300s. I also saw a few Harleys, assorted cruisers. Plenty of Chinese scoots. A few sport bikes. I saw a guy on a BMW S1000RR down in Soho. Saw a BMW C650 in the financial district.
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Vespa is the only way to move in big cities.

In my town (State Capitol), scooters can park on the sidewalks, so shopping or errands is a breeze as we can park right in front of the shop. Lots of designated scooter parking areas as well, near the pedestrian only inner city.

How is it in major US cities?
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I spent Thanksgiving holiday in NYC and was really amazed at all the scoots I saw. I've been to NYC more times than I could possibly remember and never really paid attention to the scoots. I guess because I am riding now, I notice them more. I was trying to keep a tab on how many I saw, but I completely lost count there were so many.

I must have counted at least 75 Vespas over the four days I was there. It seemed the most popular was the LX model followed by 300s. I also saw a few Harleys, assorted cruisers. Plenty of Chinese scoots. A few sport bikes. I saw a guy on a BMW S1000RR down in Soho. Saw a BMW C650 in the financial district.
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I spent Thanksgiving holiday in NYC and was really amazed at all the scoots I saw. I've been to NYC more times than I could possibly remember and never really paid attention to the scoots. I guess because I am riding now, I notice them more. I was trying to keep a tab on how many I saw, but I completely lost count there were so many.

I must have counted at least 75 Vespas over the four days I was there. It seemed the most popular was the LX model followed by 300s. I also saw a few Harleys, assorted cruisers. Plenty of Chinese scoots. A few sport bikes. I saw a guy on a BMW S1000RR down in Soho. Saw a BMW C650 in the financial district.
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Yup, there are hundreds, if not thousands of scooters in NYC. It's the best way to get around New York, for sure, although you have to be willing to deal with the insanity of the other traffic. No such thing as a relaxing ride through town, that's for sure.

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Vespas (or scooters in general) are not "new" to NYC. In the late 50's and early 60's, I remember seeing many fellow Vespa riders on FDR Drive. At the time, the speed limit on the Hutchinson River Pkwy was 40 mph (Vespa friendly), there was no Cross Bronx Expressway (had to take Bruckner Blvd from the Hutch to the Tri-Borough), so the trip from my home town of Pelham to downtown Manhattan was just as easy by Vespa as it was by car, and as soon as I turned 17 in 1959, and could legally drive/ride in NYC, I began using the family Vespa to go to Manhattan.
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Vespas (or scooters in general) are not "new" to NYC. In the late 50's and early 60's, I remember seeing many fellow Vespa riders on FDR Drive. At the time, the speed limit on the Hutchinson River Pkwy was 40 mph (Vespa friendly), there was no Cross Bronx Expressway (had to take Bruckner Blvd from the Hutch to the Tri-Borough), so the trip from my home town of Pelham to downtown Manhattan was just as easy by Vespa as it was by car, and as soon as I turned 17 in 1959, and could legally drive/ride in NYC, I began using the family Vespa to go to Manhattan.
i know it's not possible to evoke memories of a time before i was born, and a place i've never seen, but you came bloody close there 8)
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If you ever venture in Brooklyn, you'll see even more scooters; Vespa, Ruckus, Buddys, etc..definitely a way of life now for most commuters
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I'm really surprised more large cities are doing more to make life easier for PTWs. There are definitely a lot here in Chicago, but nothing like NYC. I'd like to see better street parking just for PTWs. Maybe free or dramatically cheaper.

I've often wondered why some cities, particularly, those on a grid don't designate some north south streets at PTW and bike only.

If they want to get people out of cars, they need to do something to make riding PTWs dramatically more advantageous.
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It's cold, but I'm still riding. Even rode on Tuesday when the impending snowfall closed schools in NJ and Westchester. Luckily I got to work at 7:30 a bit before the snow started and as is often the case in Manhattan, the snow did not accumulate.
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The Police even ride Piaggio scooters. 8) It is the best way t get around there. I do have to be sad sometimes because most of the Vespa's look like somebody took a hammer to them. I've been going to places i've never gone to over here and Hawaii really is scooter friendly. We can park for free 99% of the places over here. 8) Been seeing more Vespa's but it's really a lot of mopeds because of our laws with them. Just need a onetime to $15 sticker to ride them. They have a huge club also.
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I'm really surprised more large cities are doing more to make life easier for PTWs. There are definitely a lot here in Chicago, but nothing like NYC. I'd like to see better street parking just for PTWs. Maybe free or dramatically cheaper.

I've often wondered why some cities, particularly, those on a grid don't designate some north south streets at PTW and bike only.

If they want to get people out of cars, they need to do something to make riding PTWs dramatically more advantageous.
I take it you didn't notice the fleet of bicycles CitiBank has deployed ie. CitiBike. Just goes to show what can be done if somebody wants it done. The city has taken away legal/illegal parking spaces and installed bike racks for CitiBike.
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PTWs are a different story; local government doesn't care about PTWs and the biker gang/Range Rover incident doesn't lend itself to a good image of PTWs.

Although NYC is an ideal environment for using a scooter, I'd argue that the local officials do not make it easier for us. I can only imagine how this city would be transformed if there were at least *one* designated parking space for motorcycles for every street blockface.

At the moment, when you buy a PTW, part of the deal is that you should expect it to get knocked over since there are no designated parking areas.[/img]
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Edumakated wrote:
I'm really surprised more large cities are doing more to make life easier for PTWs. There are definitely a lot here in Chicago, but nothing like NYC. I'd like to see better street parking just for PTWs. Maybe free or dramatically cheaper.

I've often wondered why some cities, particularly, those on a grid don't designate some north south streets at PTW and bike only.

If they want to get people out of cars, they need to do something to make riding PTWs dramatically more advantageous.
I take it you didn't notice the fleet of bicycles CitiBank has deployed ie. CitiBike. Just goes to show what can be done if somebody wants it done. The city has taken away legal/illegal parking spaces and installed bike racks for CitiBike.
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PTWs are a different story; local government doesn't care about PTWs and the biker gang/Range Rover incident doesn't lend itself to a good image of PTWs.

Although NYC is an ideal environment for using a scooter, I'd argue that the local officials do not make it easier for us. I can only imagine how this city would be transformed if there were at least *one* designated parking space for motorcycles for every street blockface.

At the moment, when you buy a PTW, part of the deal is that you should expect it to get knocked over since there are no designated parking areas.[/img]
Yes, I am familiar with the Citibikes. They are called Divvy bikes here in Chicago. Great idea and very popular. However, I was talking about truly designated bike streets, not just some squeezed in bike lanes that share the road with cagers. Almost like a bicycle super highway so you don't have to worry about being doored or cars making a right turn into you. Thinking extra wide bike lanes with the middle lanes being for PTWs. Maybe cabs & buses, but no privately owned cars.

The lack of parking is frustrating. I pay $175 across from my office to rent a spot for my car and scooter to a restaurant owner. It is convenient, but during the spring/summre when I'm mostly on my scoot, it seems like a waste given I don't even park it in a space. There is plenty of space on the street to park, but the parking nazis around here woudl ticket you and the street meters are $8/hr. One ticket for over staying a meter is $75.

I just think if government really wants to encourage people to get out of their cars and alleviate traffic, they need to make it advantageous to do so. People need to see the advantage. They need to see scooter getting to filter legally to front of traffic. See scooters getting prime parking spaces. See lower costs and see that it would be more convenient to dump the car. Right now, I don't think that is the case for most car drivers, even those with short commutes.
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Riding in NYC if full of challenge and very rewarding once you know how to beat the traffic, especially those yellow taxi cab, i might consider ride my MP3 to the motorcycle show this weekend if the weather permitted, since the temperature is not a big issue 25- 30 degree this week but full heated gear prepared, but the snow might tell the difference story.
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The lack of parking is frustrating. I pay $175 across from my office to rent a spot for my car and scooter to a restaurant owner. It is convenient, but during the spring/summre when I'm mostly on my scoot, it seems like a waste given I don't even park it in a space. There is plenty of space on the street to park, but the parking nazis around here woudl ticket you and the street meters are $8/hr. One ticket for over staying a meter is $75.

I just think if government really wants to encourage people to get out of their cars and alleviate traffic, they need to make it advantageous to do so. People need to see the advantage. They need to see scooter getting to filter legally to front of traffic. See scooters getting prime parking spaces. See lower costs and see that it would be more convenient to dump the car. Right now, I don't think that is the case for most car drivers, even those with short commutes.
Take a look at this paper (http://www.icleiusa.org/action-center/learn-from-others/lessonsNYC.pdf). It's not very long, but if you read the abstract, you will see that it supports what you say.

Still, those that live in NYC know this and an overwhelming majority use public transportation due to convenience and lower cost. That's why CitiBike has been so successful.

The problem is the bridge and tunnel crowd that has to come in to work from 30> miles away. They refuse to take the train/bus, for whatever reason.
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I was happy to see more scooters in NYC but it is still nothing compare to other megapolises. Manhattan traffic is not that bad, however the real danger is in drivers who are not accustom to thousands of scooters on the streets.
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