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Dropped my MP3 for the first (and hopefully only) time today. Picked it up, dusted off, continued on. Upon getting home discovered the only thing broken was... I don't know what this is or how to resolve it's not being connected (pic below). Thank you all in advance!!!
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Hard luck on the drop......but hey, shit happens and glad you are not hurt,,,,,,,,the important thing.

That looks like the switch from back of the break lever. As you know to start scoot you have to hold in either break lever, if you hold in the left one bike will not start now, (edit, oops right one!!) nor will break lights work on that lever.

It screws in, and it looks to me that it has broken off at the threaded part which is still probably in the handle. See the pic in e-bay link.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GILERA-FUOCO-500-STOP-LIGHT-SWITCH-/360715804211?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item53fc565e33
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Thank you, Irish!

Your info is spot on and precisely why I came in here straight away! Now to find someone listing this piece that ships to US... Laughing emoticon

The only thing hurt in the drop was my pride as I was taking my wife out for lunch... and leading the way with her immediately behind me in her Honda Element. Yes, I dropped right in front of her... 3,100 miles on the Bat-scoot.

Thoroughly enjoy every last second in this (albeit virtual) room we all share, and thank each and every one of you for being a part of it!!!
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Glad its sorted.

You can of course keep riding without that switch as other one will do the business.

Don't where these are in relation to you, but I am sure they would post, and they are site sponsors), or your local dealer could get one, or of course, flea-bay......or I am sure maksor could sort you.

Number 11 in diagram.

http://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodList.asp?idCategory=1502
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I was going to recommend AF1 as well. Here's a direct link, they're in stock, $8.99 each. I'd suggest you get one as a spare too.

http://www.af1racing.com/store/Scripts/prodView.asp?idProduct=17968


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Already made it happen on fleabay per the first link Irish sent... and yes, got spares, as well 8)
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having the switch out like that makes the brake lites on all the time. also you don't have to pull a brake lever in to start it.
normal stock item at most dealers.
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Details??
Sure am glad you are ok!!! Boy have I been there, done that thing. Stopping is my downfall (pun intended)

I want to know as much as possible on hazards to watch for while learning the scooter. With you driving 3,100 miles before your first scoot drop, I know it wasn't cause you're a novice.

Mind sharing how it happened?
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it looks like there has something broken on the master brakecylinder where the switch was connectet to i've thats the case you need to find a new brakecylinder


the switch needs to be fitted to the hole in the pic below

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having the switch out like that makes the brake lites on all the time. also you don't have to pull a brake lever in to start it.
normal stock item at most dealers.
Mine definitely will not start unless break lever is pulled.
In fact, as far as I know all modern scooters are the same, and if it has a kick down side stand that has to be up to start. Also the clutch lever has to be pulled in on bikes and again, side stand up.

Its a safety thing so machine will not run away with you, and in the case of clutch lever, you cannot start in gear and have bike take off......

Also, if the spring in switch is working ok and pressing the red bit out, the light will not come on as when you pull the break leaver the red bit is depressed and light comes on, ie, when red bit is pushed in.......
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it looks like there has something broken on the master brakecylinder where the switch was connectet to i've thats the case you need to find a new brakecylinder


the switch needs to be fitted to the hole in the pic below

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With the amount of red "tit" showing, I think it is the threaded part left in the lever???????
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With the amount of red "tit" showing, I think it is the threaded part left in the lever???????
That's right, looks like he broke the small diameter threaded barrel portion clean off on impact and it's still in the hole.
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having the switch out like that makes the brake lites on all the time. also you don't have to pull a brake lever in to start it.
normal stock item at most dealers.
Mine definitely will not start unless break lever is pulled.
In fact, as far as I know all modern scooters are the same, and if it has a kick down side stand that has to be up to start. Also the clutch lever has to be pulled in on bikes and again, side stand up.

Its a safety thing so machine will not run away with you, and in the case of clutch lever, you cannot start in gear and have bike take off......

Also, if the spring in switch is working ok and pressing the red bit out, the light will not come on as when you pull the break leaver the red bit is depressed and light comes on, ie, when red bit is pushed in.......
and I was talking with the switch out, this the closed position, same as pulling on the brake lever. your description is a bit backwards. when pulling on the lever it lets the red pin come OUT and thts when the brake lites turn on also lets the start circuit enable for the starter switch. when the lever is fully out it depresses the red contact back in, thus turning the brake light off.
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There are also two different part numbers for this switch depending on the wiring connector. I just had to replace mine and found out when the wrong part came in.

Here is the one that I got that wouldn't fit and had to send it back. http://www.scooterwest.com/items/?_pageCCS=t#page=/item_details/Brake-Switch/6919

And here is the correct one for me
http://www.scooterwest.com/items/?_pageCCS=t#page=/item_details/Brake-Switch-Piaggio-MP3/9026

I just got the new switch put in today.
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Sorry oad, with my Fuoco you can take switch out, re-connect to loom and bike will not start or brake light come on until red connector is pressed.

In other words, when you pull leaver it presses red connector in to complete circuit. It was the same on my Harley.

Makes it much easier to manufacture the switch as when it is pressed in, the red plunger, which has a piece of metal on it's end, just crosses the pos and neg wires entering the back of switch, let it off and spring pushes it away from them............

Just checked now. Easy to unscrew switch and re-connect.
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Sorry oad, with my Fuoco you can take switch out, re-connect to loom and bike will not start or brake light come on until red connector is pressed.

In other words, when you pull leaver it presses red connector in to complete circuit. It was the same on my Harley.

Makes it much easier to manufacture the switch as when it is pressed in, the red plunger, which has a piece of metal on it's end, just crosses the pos and neg wires entering the back of switch, let it off and spring pushes it away from them............

Just checked now. Easy to unscrew switch and re-connect.
well since you say it isn't so, I had to go out to my scoot and just see even though I knew just KNEW I was correct. AAAAnnnnndddd I am.
So if yours operates in the reverse your going to have to do the Missouri thing for me an "show me".
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"Missouri thing"?
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"Missouri thing"?
its a USA term LOL
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Missouri is known as the "Show Me state" in the US. Don't believe it until it is proven to them.

If I had been part of this discussion earlier I mine since I just swapped out my switch, but don't want to go take apart the front end again. Oh, I guess my 400 is probably harder to get to the switch than a 500.

I could tear apart the faulty switch I just replaced.
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Watching Homeland just now, 21.41pm our time.

Will try and do a video at some stage......
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Missouri is known as the "Show Me state" in the US. Don't believe it until it is proven to them.

If I had been part of this discussion earlier I mine since I just swapped out my switch, but don't want to go take apart the front end again. Oh, I guess my 400 is probably harder to get to the switch than a 500.

I could tear apart the faulty switch I just replaced.
yup the 250 and 400 are a bit more PITA to do. took me about 30 sec on the 500 to check.
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Admittedly my switch was acting flakey and thus needed replacing, but checking it for continuity, I get continuity when the plunger is released and a break when it is depressed. This would seem to support OAD rather than Irish.
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An autopsy of my failed switch reveals the following. Contact is made when the plunger is pushed out by the spring. Pushing the plunger in breaks the connection,, confirming OAD. Sorry Irish, I think you owe us some whiskey
The plunger has metal at the end and plastic just up from there. When depressed the "pinchers" go from the metal to the plastic and thus interrupt the circuit.
The plunger has metal at the end and plastic just up from there. When depressed the "pinchers" go from the metal to the plastic and thus interrupt the circuit.
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Ok, I am big enough, Facepalm emoticon

I apologise unreservedly to oad. I have spent the last 15 minutes taking both switches on and off to try and make them work the way I want, Stubborn emoticon, but can't LOL

He was right. Bleh emoticon It must have been the Guinness talking

No problem with the whiskey Glow Guy, as long as it's Irish.

Sorry for the confusion!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ok, I am big enough, Facepalm emoticon

I apologise unreservedly to oad. I have spent the last 15 minutes taking both switches on and off to try and make them work the way I want, Stubborn emoticon, but can't LOL

He was right. Bleh emoticon It must have been the Guinness talking

No problem with the whiskey Glow Guy, as long as it's Irish.

Sorry for the confusion!!!!!!!!!!!!!
its all good. we do like Irish Whiskey. its great in the winter time to keep ya warm. The only way I can do Guinness is in a black and tan as I am an old ale fan from back in my England days when I was there in the USAF.
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An autopsy of my failed switch reveals the following. Contact is made when the plunger is pushed out by the spring. Pushing the plunger in breaks the connection,, confirming OAD. Sorry Irish, I think you owe us some whiskey
just clean them up with some light sanding on the contacts and then give the spring a slight pull to lengthen a tad, smear some dielectic grease in it and reassemble. Have done this to more than a couple of them and all are still working fine on customers scoots.
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I know nothing about switches, but was recently turned onto Red Breast, an extraordinary Irish whiskey. Highly recommended by yours truly.
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I know nothing about switches, but was recently turned onto Red Breast, an extraordinary Irish whiskey. Highly recommended by yours truly.
might have to take some on a cannonball run.
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hehe the MO thing i've allways asked if i have to show it Clown emoticon
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Difficulty level / instructions on performing this repair on my 500 anyone?
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@ Lady... can't, for the life of me, truly figure out what happened. Am figuring was a combination of the crummy terrain of the pavement with it being full of holes and a wicked downward sloping angle and I probably wasn't leaning as I should have been. Wish I knew without a doubt! It certainly did P me off was so upset with myself that it happened. Extremely grateful that I was okay (physically) and the scoot has extremely minor damage.

Now to search (and find) a M6 1.00x55 to replace the one that was bent out of shape!
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Now to search (and find) a M6 1.00x55 to replace the one that was bent out of shape!
which bolt? I don't see any in the pic you posted thats screwed up. If your talking about the brake lever bolt to hold the lever on that is a shouldered bolt and you need to get it from your dealer.

Ace hardware does have some of the best local selections on metric nuts and bolts.
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@ OAD - bolt is for handlebar end for handguard. Went to my local ACE... is how I found the exact specs of bolt I need.

Am on the hunt for instructions / directions for replacing the switch cover, though...
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@ OAD - bolt is for handlebar end for handguard. Went to my local ACE... is how I found the exact specs of bolt I need.

Am on the hunt for instructions / directions for replacing the switch cover, though...
super easy. unplug the broken connector. use a small screw driver of something else to remove the broken plastic threads in the housing. screw in the new switch all the way and replug in the connector.
on a scale of 1-10 with 10 being the hardest this task rates at a .025 IMO.
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thank you OAD... this fix is now complete and just as easy as you said it would be 8)

now to get the Banshee and HID kit installed
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thank you OAD... this fix is now complete and just as easy as you said it would be 8)

now to get the Banshee and HID kit installed
perfect
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