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Thanks. It has a 135 Malossi kit fitted and genuinely scares me Laughing emoticon
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My small door v90 with Polini 133 kit and a pipe. Literally the most fun scooter Ive ever ridden.
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Older PK125L w/ metal base headset etc? 8)

I would be rather excited too !

You gonna do anything to the motor beyond stockish? Please keep us posted.
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Oh heck yes, excitement is in order!! Heaps of potential....
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Really want to keep the spare so, yes, stockish. Can't decide if I want to bastardize the case(of course I do), or leave it alone for future generations to befoul. I'm talking about rolling over all the 90 degree stuff like the bearing journal castings. Or save that silliness for my sip cases.
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Pretty excited about this addition
That PK125XL is one of the finest put together "modern" Smallframes ever built. 20mm fork, big taper crank, bigger fly side crank bearing, powerful stator, great brakes, spare tire under the cowl. Top sped is 55-60mph on the flat road. No real need to kit that scooter. Keep it stock and rock!...(well, maybe install a short 4th if you ride lots of hills and headwinds).
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Pretty excited about this addition
!...(well, maybe install a short 4th if you ride lots of hills and headwinds).
That's what I was thinking!
I actually have a DRT parma loose 4th, but it requires one of his trees in conjunction. There might be a loose 4th that works with the stock tree, idk.
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!...(well, maybe install a short 4th if you ride lots of hills and headwinds).
That's what I was thinking!
I actually have a DRT parma loose 4th, but it requires one of his trees in conjunction. There might be a loose 4th that works with the stock tree, idk.
Long time ago DRT used to make a 48 tooth short fourth gear that would fit with the stock tree (the part # on the gear was F097748). I think it was discontinued close to 7-8 years ago? Nowadays it's a more expensive endevor since you would need that tree as well.

The SIP smallframe cases are pretty sweet looking. It would take a whole lot of time and money to get the PKXL's VMX6M cases even close to to SIP's. I'd be completely chuffed about getting that PXKL in the first place, and would either keep those cases stock, or put them on the top shelf to collect dust while you build up an engine using SIP cases.
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At first I thought it was this one, currently up on ScootNet for serious money, but apparently not.
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At first I thought it was this one, currently up on ScootNet for serious money, but apparently not.
Saw that one. What is the difference between the PKXL and the ETS? ETS has the 24/25 crank and PKXL has the 20/20 crank? ETS has floor rails, my PKXL has a mat like thing instead. Anything else? front hub looks different. PKXL has a larger plug for the axle nut. PKXL has some wide ass drums, not sure how they compare to the ETS.
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Most differences are cosmetic. Different seat, turn signals, rear bumper, floor rails, horn cast, headset. PKXL and ETS share the same P-style 20mm fork with 'anti-dive' style shock. Both should use the P-series brake shoes front and back. Big hubs on both ends. No spare tire as the ETS banana muffler took up that space. Engine-wise; Some PKXL came with 24/25 crank. Slightly longer rotary crank timings on the ETS crankshaft. 20/20 carb instead of 19/19 which uses a different manifold. Easy bolt-on. Dykes-ring piston on the ETS engine. 2nd gen clutch with the long lever cover and one big spring. PKXL came with 2nd gen and 3rd gen clutch (6-spring PKXL2) depending on production run. Otherwise, quite similar.

Great find!
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The ETS and PK125XL both have the awesome large taper 24/25 crank!
The ETS and PK125XL should both have the same brakes and hubs. In the scoot.net ad, the ETS does appear to have a much smaller hub nut cover. I'm wondering if someone swapped out the stock 20mm fork for something smaller?..or hopefully just a crappy aftermarket front brake drum was installed instead? The only way to tell really is to get pics of the other side of the ETS.

The PKXL has different-
-floormat
-taillight (ETS has a ET3 taillight)
-turn signals (PKXL are flush-ish).
-upper headset cover
-an actual spare tire carrier (under the cowl). No carrier on the ETS.
-panel release latches that are located under the seat
-different exhaust
-horncast cover is slightly, slightly different

I think what makes the ETS faster is the exhaust? The PKXL also comes with an ETS cylinder head. I think the PKXL also comes with a 20mil carb (same as the ETS).

So which scooter is better?...well, it's probably best to own both!
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The ETS is very desirable at the moment and their prices have gone up. They're not considered 100% PKs (although based on them) and people are usually offended if someone calls it a PK. It's called P 125 ETS and for me at least, it's one of the best smallframe Vespas created by Piaggio. You could maybe call it a smallframe P or T5...

It also now has some very hard to find parts that go for "silly" money (indicators, headset top, decals & badges, exhaust, etc.)...
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Curious, does it also have the superior IMO, single cable shifter like the XL2 and Cosa II?
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Curious, does it also have the superior IMO, single cable shifter like the XL2 and Cosa II?
2 gear cables
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jeanshorts, you dirty birdy why you gotta be copying me!?

excellent score. great bike. so much fun to ride.

i've long since adios'd my spare to make room for a pipe. can't really complain, but i like to get silly like that.

if you've got the parts snap 'em on and roll. you'll be happy you did!

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300km distance and 12 hours, talk about a slow punk
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Very nice. I love the color orange too.
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Oh yea! Nice work
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Thanks guys. We worked with friend 1.5 year on this PK.
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I Hope you have orange doors for it.
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Yes.
Doors, spare wheel, mirror, badges and side stand already on their places.
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Yeah that door...
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I found a nice small door 90. I couldn't pass on it when I saw the original paint was so nice. The engine was in parts in a box. Anyone tried raising and widening the exhaust port and decking the head to get a little more pep out of it? Thought I might try it, along with a better muffler and bigger carb.
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Found what for me is a simple way to fit the outer front brake and clutch cables thru the control tubes.
Thread the inner cable thru the inner cable thru the lever and tube and leave about 6" out thru the speedo opening.
Coil add tape the rest of cables to grip area.
Fit the headset over the fork top.
Thread the inners thru the outers and secure a trunnion snig against the long end.
Squeeze the lever, move the trunnion repeat until done.
Be sure the top hat is seated in its recess. Wiggle a little if necessary.
Job done. No swearing or scrapes fingers.
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Looks easier with a clamshell speedo. You can at least approach some of it from up top. Round speedo headsets that angle is much more difficult. Tiny hole. Fat fingers!

Nice tip and i love that color!
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Had all that fun with the 64. I think it will work on the round speedo 105mm headset equally well.
Hopeful I won't need to replace any cable outers on the 64 any time soon.
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I think the fork may be modified, too bad there are not more pics...
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I don't get it... I see only one wheel.
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I can see two, and assume 3rd is just hiding behind the rear wheel.
Notice the big orange box where the legshield should be...
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