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Have you found new 2.75 x 9 tires or are you going 10" conversion?

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tiny 2.75x9 on bike, giant 3.00x10 along side on Mercato adapter rim

and you are gonna hop it up... tsk, tsk . better get later TEN inch hubs and brakes front and back along with all the rest if you want to stop better.

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little speed... therefore little tire, hub and brakes Facepalm emoticon

Also, Mercado has your oddball rubber only floor trim here: https://www.scootermercato.com/Scooter-Parts/Floor-Rail-Rubber/4953


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back in my reckless youth, new DR70, 19 carb & a loud ratty pipe.
Ha HA, outa control on those tiny 9's
I haven't tracked down a decent 9" replacement, and wouldn't mind staying small. It's definitely getting hopped up, as I have enough 50cc options in moped form.

I am going to focus on powerplant rebuild first, and work my way into the periperals. Certainly wouldn't fight the bump to 10" wheels and hubs, if it's necessary.
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I'd be tempted to retrofit the lock in place of the lever for that battery door, the doors being so rare and all. At least then it won't rattle open on you as they are wont to do.
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punch a hole in the door and a hole in the frame, zip tie and done. it's not like it's OG paint or anything....

wait...
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After buying a house and making the move from Brooklyn to CT, I am finally looking to start piecing together my V50 build and this thread is some good inspiration.

Hoping to build a rider, current build is simple: DR130/PK Ignition/Banana pipe/probably PK clutch and some gearing work.

I want to keep the 3 speed and rely on a torquey, flat power and torque curve to make this something I can ride to the city and back if I want.

Any suggestions welcomed.
Just wanted to follow up with a question, given V oodoo thought this may be a 50N, although judging by the VIN/Engine numbers it seems this chassis is a 50R, with a 50 Special powerplant? Attached some photos in case someone more well-versed can chime in, but according to Scooterlounger/Mercato/Scooterhelp cross ref, that's the case.
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External HT Coil (which was the only reason I was curious about it being a 50N)
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Last digit engine number a 1?

That isn't showing up on scooter help engine number search.
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You probably have a 50R, similar to the 50N from what I recall w/ 9" tires, but I've never seen one - just read about when I had the 50N.

I'm really pleased you have no plans to paint it, you WILL be amazed how nicely that tuff old original paint buffs out.

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Who knew all that old shine was still lurking beneath the gloom ???
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Lovely blue VooDoo. Great example of what can be done to save original factory paint!
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Dirty,
You probably have a 50R, similar to the 50N from what I recall w/ 9" tires, but I've never seen one - just read about when I had the 50N.

I'm really pleased you have no plans to paint it, you WILL be amazed how nicely that tuff old original paint buffs out.

Who knew all that old shine was still lurking beneath the gloom ???
The PO had sprayed a "clear" over everything to stop an oxidization, so for now I am going to simply try to buff what I can and build something I don't mind riding. The frame can always be stripped and resto-ed later should I ever decide, but I would be honestly more inclined to do a full an original paint restore on my Lambretta and let the 50R be what it is.

As for the 9" wheels, I will try to stick with them until the bike outgrows them and the brakes.

Besides, 9" is pretty decent compared to another one of my projects.
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Everybody loves how an 8" bike is more nimble than a big 10" model, including me on my old AllState, what a 'go cart' it is! I felt the same on those old nines vs the huge normal tens on a smallie, but lucky I didn't blow the antique original Ceats. New owner Nuttmeg found new tires somewhere and rides it as originally intended.
This is it now w/ new 9" rubber and a lot of loverubs. Smallie Queen Nuttmeg has really looked after it well!
This is it now w/ new 9" rubber and a lot of loverubs. Smallie Queen Nuttmeg has really looked after it well!
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Project in the making! Fresh out of the shed pic. Thanks to a nice MV member V oodoo, this patina project (125 primavera) will slowly become whole again! Updates to follow, happy 4th all.
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That's a LOT of patina there, but it does look to be solid & straight. What are your plans, and does the motor run?
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Thanks! It is straight but weathered.

Plans are clean up as wholesome as possible, neutralizing where needed without sacrificing look. There is a spot on the rear floor that needs some metal repair. Patina paint doors as best as can to blend in with finish, same with USA holes and floor repair. Plan on running euro/german harness for bar end signals and no battery (USA blinkers are broken in several places) to have a smooth but tasteful look.

Engine was running recently, points system heavily worn though, however a stock rebuild is as far as I will go, simple and factory is fine with me. Will of course convert to et3 flywheel, stator cdi setup.

Going to be fun for sure!
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do you have the elusive battery side door?
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do you have the elusive battery side door?
Working on that 😀!
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Working on that 😀!
Open wallet wide….
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Maybe this will be useful to someone?

https://www.facebook.com/johnathan.sanchez.395
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Roland, have you seen this? metal smallframe / elestart "left" / battery door
This member has been working on this for a while, tooling up for modest production runs and he should be getting close soon.

I actually have a NOS battery door that I had planned to make into a pattern to cast aluminum repops for the starving market, but then Mr Saturn began tooling up to make them in steel more like originals. So now I'm letting it go to a worthy cause (sad beat up blue Primavera Crying or Very sad emoticon ).

I've abandoned the casting idea because it would require a fair amount of rework to my original door to convert it into a master pattern, including lagging most of the thickness up ~3/16" or more from the inside except where it fits to the frame, modifying the spot welded hooking tabs so they can draw out of the sand and then making a follow board or better, a matchplate pattern. There would then be some machining required for latch hole and hook mounts... It could be done, but stamping them out makes a lot more sense.
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V oodoo wrote:
I actually have a NOS battery door that I had planned to make into a pattern to cast aluminum repops for the starving market, but then Mr Saturn began tooling up to make them in steel more like originals. So now I'm letting it go to a worthy cause (sad beat up blue Primavera Crying or Very sad emoticon ).
Not only is the primavera thankful, but I am as well extremely grateful . 😁
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You are very welcome, yours is just the sort of project that I had hoped to connect with.



I would have lagged the green taped area up to 1/8" thick, about same same as now w/ the small flange. The rest could go up to 3/16" to help castability.

The yellow tape shows the hook lugs filled in to draw out of the sand and to gate into to fill the mold cavity. They would be milled out to fit like the originals.
First time that it's seen a real scooter.
First time that it's seen a real scooter.
Hey, it fits!
Hey, it fits!
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Wow, very good visual of what would be needed, makes you think where are the original die or dies I would assume as wear and tear of stamping would have seen several. Probably scrapped and repurposed. Man it does fit perfect!
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Roland, have you seen this? metal smallframe / elestart "left" / battery door
This member has been working on this for a while, tooling up for modest production runs and he should be getting close soon.
Yes I seen that thread. I just thought that FB post can also be useful as Saturn's case has been going from 2021 and still not results.
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