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Are there non-heated gloves (because my Vespa is not fitted to do the heated gear stuff) that can keep your fingers warm around 0-50 degrees f in about 80mph speed?
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I have the competition elkskin ropers, and really like them down to ~35F.
Aerostich also has an insulated elkskin roper with gauntlets, which I actually plan on getting in the next few months for colder weather. Very soft and comfortable, given how tough they are.

http://www.aerostich.com/clothing/gloves/elkskin-and-deerskin-gloves
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Have been looking online, it seems like non-heated gloves are only good to about 35?
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I was out riding at 20F, and had on ski gloves. It was OK, but after half hour or so started getting cold. I think it would be much better if my windshield was in front of my hand, but it isn't. BTW, I'm from Minnesota, so maybe a bit less prone to being 'chilly'.

In any case, I do plan on getting those Aerostich gloves at some point next year.
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Have been looking online, it seems like non-heated gloves are only good to about 35?
Even summer gloves are good for well below freezing with muffs fitted - for short journeys. Longer journeys need winter gloves and/or heated grips. If you're hopping on and off the scoot more than twice a day then heated gloves become very old very quickly - the wires are a pain.
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The 80mph wind is a killer for hands that aren't protected. My Gerbing Electric gloves won't keep my hands warm in that. Whatever gloves you get you are going to need some wind protection in my opinion -- muffs most likely. They're not pretty but they work.

My Gerbings are great and aside from long exposure to high speed riding they work well down to zero for me.
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perhaps the termoscud muffs would crush the cold?
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perhaps the termoscud muffs would crush the cold?
They would. Still need something to insulate your hands from the cold. A lot depends on how tolerant you are of cold. I'm a wuss. Both hands have had frostbite (not from riding) and are quite sensitive. Electric gloves are my choice for anything under 35F. And I wish they could get far hotter for my taste.
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Termoscud - extremely dangerous?
The termoscud muffs (and all muffs) seem extremely dangerous by design to me.

I'm use to moving my hands ALL THE TIME when I ride. For example, if I change lanes, sometimes I'll also stick my hands out to signal as an added extra signal for all drivers to know that I'm about to move.

If my hands are in the muffs, and I instinctively do this, without removing my hand first, won't I violently jar the handle bar and send me flying?


Another example is my bluetooth helmet, there's a button on my helmet to skip the current track, I'm constantly skipping tracks and moving my hands to do stuff on my helmet.
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I would say it will only be dangerous if you don't change how you operate.

I've only ridden briefly with muffs on a motorcycle and aside from a slight adjustment of motion to get my hands in and out it was no big deal. It became second nature to me pretty fast, sort of like getting my feet in and out of toe clips on a bike.

Can't speak to the bluetooth -- I ride for as much silence as I can get and use earplugs as well.
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I far prefer the Bagster BOX-R muffs to the Thermoscud or Tucano Urbano ones. Full use of hands and controls, but the wind (and rain if that's the reason for wearing them) kept off. Plus they are very quick and easy to remove and put on again should one need to, no faffing about.

True, you have to learn to 'insert' your hands into the muffs when you inevitably remove a hand from them for something (a wave perhaps, or to crack open/close a visor) - but it is almost instantly 'second nature', no fumbling at all.
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While not a "riding" glove. I use something like this.

http://www.the-house.com/da6blzm04bk13zz-dakine-snowboard-mitts.html

A good snowboard mitten. The one I have actually has a full insulated glove "inside" the outer wind and water proof mitten. I have worn these in the 10's all day outside skiing and boarding, and down into the 20's on the scooter running in the 50-60 mph range. One the scooter, every part of my body was freezing through the layers and leather. But my hands were downright toasty.
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There is a discussion on another forum about some $17.50 gloves. I picked up a pair but haven't had the chance to ride with them yet. http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=940062
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Re: Termoscud - extremely dangerous?
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The termoscud muffs (and all muffs) seem extremely dangerous by design to me.

I'm use to moving my hands ALL THE TIME when I ride. For example, if I change lanes, sometimes I'll also stick my hands out to signal as an added extra signal for all drivers to know that I'm about to move.

If my hands are in the muffs, and I instinctively do this, without removing my hand first, won't I violently jar the handle bar and send me flying?


Another example is my bluetooth helmet, there's a button on my helmet to skip the current track, I'm constantly skipping tracks and moving my hands to do stuff on my helmet.
Most people who use the tucano urbano muffs manage to do so safely, and if you want to do bluetooth stuff while you ride without tapping your helmet at 80 mph, these are good http://www.beartekgloves.com/ . I saw them at AIMExpo and they worked very well. I would not recommend the Snow version though, if you get the TU Muffs, because in the Summer, you would want to use them too.
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Those $17.50 gloves are not sold as motorcycle gloves....
Anything Motorcycle or Marine or Aviation on it, tend to have high prices!
And they are the manufacture of them, so middle man markups....
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RefrigiWear, Inc., is the industry's leading manufacturer of insulated industrial work wear, accessories, and personal protective equipment for use in subzero temperatures, inclement weather, and low-visibility environments.
It seems they will get bigger sizes in eventually....
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The termoscud muffs (and all muffs) seem extremely dangerous by design to me.
So, just get some good layered gloves (i.e. windproof outer layer, insulated gloves, and glove liners). Looks like several people recommended that above in ways that wouldn't cost much.
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Steve said it and Sully eluded to it. When the temps get in the teens muffs are a must. There is no glove warm enough for me without muffs.
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Steve said it and Sully eluded to it. When the temps get in the teens muffs are a must. There is no glove warm enough for me without muffs.
How long does it take to put the muffs on and off?

Is it simple enough to put them on in the morning, take them off at noon, and then put them back on again at night- on the same day? I assume they fit in the pet carrier?

This is LA/SF weather, huge deviations in intra-day temperature. 65 during the day and then 40s at night.
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While not a "riding" glove. I use something like this.

http://www.the-house.com/da6blzm04bk13zz-dakine-snowboard-mitts.html

A good snowboard mitten. The one I have actually has a full insulated glove "inside" the outer wind and water proof mitten. I have worn these in the 10's all day outside skiing and boarding, and down into the 20's on the scooter running in the 50-60 mph range. One the scooter, every part of my body was freezing through the layers and leather. But my hands were downright toasty.
I just bought these to go over my gloves. I ordered them in L while my gloves are M. I'll see how it works. 30 bucks isn't that big of a risk, and I just don't take long trips in the cold, so I'm not going to lay down 150-200 on heated gloves.
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I'm confused. You wrote 0-50. Now we're talking 40. My Held insulated goretex gloves do well in the 40's. As an aside, I forget sometimes how sensitive I was to cold living in S Nevada and traveling to California. Actually the coldest I've ever been was in the desert. My muffs would be a pain in the ass to remove and replace. You sound like the perfect candidate for heated grips.
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I'm confused. You wrote 0-50. Now we're talking 40. My Held insulated goretex gloves do well in the 40's. As an aside, I forget sometimes how sensitive I was to cold living in S Nevada and traveling to California. Actually the coldest I've ever been was in the desert. My muffs would be a pain in the ass to remove and replace. You sound like the perfect candidate for heated grips.
Yeah I was covering my bases. I don't want a lot of pieces of gear for every niche little situation. I want to keep things simple. Also, if I ever go back to school, there is a possibility I could move to New Hampshire, I dont want to piece-meal/alacarte every little situation if i dont have to.

Do heated grips really work? Won't the top of your hands still freeze? the heated element only touches your palms no?
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Do heated grips really work? Won't the top of your hands still freeze? the heated element only touches your palms no?
Unless you have a very strange riding technique you are correct.
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I'm confused. You wrote 0-50. Now we're talking 40.
Don't encourage him. We'll get individual threads for
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  • Didn't read the forecast but I think something like 48 in the sun and 35 in the shade gloves.
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This is LA/SF weather, huge deviations in intra-day temperature. 65 during the day and then 40s at night.
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I'm confused. You wrote 0-50. Now we're talking 40.
In a related post the OP referred to as low as 0 degrees C (though 50 degrees C is pretty warm ). He does not appear to be talking about extreme riding conditions - just cold mornings. Seems like layering up a bit would solve his problems without too much specialized gear. I certainly ride at temperatures down to freezing without any heated accessories or other unusual gear. Just layers - including layering my gloves.
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tomjasz wrote:
Steve said it and Sully eluded to it. When the temps get in the teens muffs are a must. There is no glove warm enough for me without muffs.
How long does it take to put the muffs on and off?

Is it simple enough to put them on in the morning, take them off at noon, and then put them back on again at night- on the same day? I assume they fit in the pet carrier?

This is LA/SF weather, huge deviations in intra-day temperature. 65 during the day and then 40s at night.
The BOX-R muffs take about 30 secs for the pair to take off and about a minute to put on. However, if it's cold just once during your day, best to leave them on all day - they are no hindrance while riding once you're used to them, and that takes hardly any time at all either.

In CA, if the temps are going anywhere near freezing during the week, the muffs are on. If it's definitely going to stay above 45F for a week they'll come off again.

In the UK, where rain can happen at any time often without warning, I tend to leave the muffs on all year round regardless of the temps, unless we're guaranteed a dry spell. They keep the sun off the hands as well.
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I just fitted a pair of the Tucano Urbano muffs (R361) to my GTS - easy on, easy off. I rode to pick up dinner (take-out) the other night in low-40s with my summer gloves on inside the muffs, and I was very comfortable.
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I just fitted a pair of the Tucano Urbano muffs (R361) to my GTS - easy on, easy off. I rode to pick up dinner (take-out) the other night in low-40s with my summer gloves on inside the muffs, and I was very comfortable.
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I just fitted a pair of the Tucano Urbano muffs (R361) to my GTS - easy on, easy off. I rode to pick up dinner (take-out) the other night in low-40s with my summer gloves on inside the muffs, and I was very comfortable.
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Masala wrote:
I just fitted a pair of the Tucano Urbano muffs (R361) to my GTS - easy on, easy off. I rode to pick up dinner (take-out) the other night in low-40s with my summer gloves on inside the muffs, and I was very comfortable.
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Have been looking online, it seems like non-heated gloves are only good to about 35?
Well, its really like temp+ wind speed + lenght of exposure determine what you need, not temp alone. I once rode from Minnesota to Oklahoma in a day at 30F with electric gloves abd was fine, I've also been out with winter gloves at 40F and frozen so it depends. Really, you should think about adding a SAE quick-connect lead to your battery. Its cheap, not hard & lets you connect all sorts of useful things like heated clothing & battery chargers. Personally, I ony carry heated gloves when its below 35F. If I am traveling tho thru anywhere the temp can get below 50F tho I always carry a heated vest. Keeping your core warm is job one, then the hands. Aerostch makes a small one that doesn't cost much or take up much space. I'd look into getting one. It woud have made that trip or any in cooler temps a lot more comfortable:

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dane nordkap xtreme gore-tex are great, it's a 3 finger glove. I used them riding at -3°C and my fingers weren't cold after 40 minutes.

http://www.motoport.nl/Dane-Nordkap-Xtreme-Gore-tex/nl
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My sister in Denver just got the women's version of these and swears by them.

http://www.compacc.com/p/Joe-Rocket-Sub-Zero-Gloves
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These may not be attractive, but they keep you hands warm and dry when worn over leather riding gloves.

http://www.aerostich.com/rain-glove-covers.html

My husband uses these and I use Playtex rubber gloves. They will keep your hands 100% dry and quite warm when worn over leather riding gloves. No wind can get through. If it is really cold, 30-40 degrees in Florida, I use a silk glove liner, thin leather gloves and these.

You might find a silk glove liner, from a ski wear store or Lands End, is all you need.
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So I picked up a Dainese Stelvio yesterday and did a test ride tonight in a temperature range of about 46 - 55 degrees fahrenheit and my hands were incredibly cold.

Guess will have to try the muffs.
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GoreTex will keep rain out, and still allow moisture from your body to escape. It is not an efficient insulator, and it does not stop wind. To prevent cold wind from entering Gore-Tex gloves, you would need an complete outer layer of impervious material, which would defeat the "breathable" feature of the Gore-Tex. Thus, most Gore-Tex gloves have venting areas.

Try on some nice, heavy duty, insulated leather ski gloves for really low temps, and nylon shell ones for moderately cold temps. That's what I wore in WA State when the temps got low. They may not be armored in the manner of riding gloves, but the ones I had would indeed have provided sufficient abrasion protection in a spill. And they are a hell of a lot less expensive than "motorcycle gloves". Yes, they are generally bulky, but you might just have to choose between warm hands with set music tracks and cold hands that can fiddle with the music player controls on your helmet. Life often means choices.
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According to the W.L. Gore website (granted, this may be like asking a barber whether one needs a haircut), Gore-Tex materials are considered windproof, having an air permeability of <1.0 cfm.
They have always worked well for me at blocking light Oklahoma breezes. However, in the interest of fair testing I believe I should compare performance while being worn in Greece, maybe Romania....
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Gore also has "Windstopper" fabric, which would suggest that Gore-Tex is not the ultimate answer for higher wind conditions.

It really doesn't take much continuous cold air permeation to cool the human body. Even an effective "low" permeation that reduces the ambient wind from 60 mph to 20 mph has a significant effect. Using a web wind chill calculator, that residual 20 mph would result in a 30.5 degree wind chill when ambient is 40.
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Windstopper, while like Gore-Tex, is stated to be windproof, is not considered to be waterproof. According to the link, Gore-Tex has smaller pores which make it waterproof and windproof, but not as breathable.

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For the last several years, I've worn Carhartt "insulated leather driver" gloves, $32. They're insulated with Thinsulate. They're comfortable into the low 40s for me on the scoot--much colder than that for other uses. I have very sensitive hands due to frostbite some 50 years ago, so I wear the same gloves in all weather, though they're a bit warm in the summer.

They're reasonably waterproof, although I suppose if you ran constantly in the rain for any distance, it would seep through the stitching, but I've ridden as much as 25 miles in the rain without getting my hands wet. My windshield (mid-height Faco) partially shields the handlegrips, so that helps.

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Cary Alburn wrote:
For the last several years, I've worn Carhartt "insulated leather driver" gloves, $32. They're insulated with Thinsulate. They're comfortable into the low 40s for me on the scoot--much colder than that for other uses. I have very sensitive hands due to frostbite some 50 years ago, so I wear the same gloves in all weather, though they're a bit warm in the summer.
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They're reasonably waterproof, although I suppose if you ran constantly in the rain for any distance, it would seep through the stitching, but I've ridden as much as 25 miles in the rain without getting my hands wet. My windshield (mid-height Faco) partially shields the handlegrips, so that helps.
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