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I read this disheartening quote today from the smallframes technical page:

"Finally, when reassembling the clutch you must make sure that the circlip ends are both located in one of the inner basket grooves and not in the gap or your clutch can and will come apart when you least expect it."

I am certain I left the gap in the open, not under a basket tab. Do I need to go back in and fix it? I'm thinking I have to. Ugh. I'm pretty sure I made this mistake on the Lambretta once. It came apart.

At least I can use the 32mm socket and not take the clutch out to free the ring enough to turn it. Is it possible to remove the cover without removing the backing plate? I just need to tweak this. $&%^%&*\

edited title - it's no longer a question I know I have to go back in there damn it...
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Brake plate has to come off. You did bail on the stock lock washer right?

Making little mistakes is half the fun. Get back in there and fix that sh!t.
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SFDiego wrote:
Brake plate has to come off. You did bail on the stock lock washer right?

Making little mistakes is half the fun. Get back in there and fix that sh!t.
I didn't bail on the lock washer - what do you use instead?

You are right - I'm already calmer, it will be no big deal. It will take like 1/3 the time to do it again because I've already found the little tricks to do it. Engine doesn't have to come back out to get this done, and my fuel tank is still out, should be (relatively) easy.

I did this once on a Lambretta. Started up the engine, revved it and heard a horrendous noise. Should have remembered it but I was in a hurry. Never work in a hurry!
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Wavy washers.Wasnt that his recommendation on the other thread.
Good catch John!
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Mudnman wrote:
Wavy washers.Wasnt that his recommendation on the other thread.
Good catch John!
yes, you are of course correct...
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I should have asked then where to get them.These aren't cheap and not sure if right metal.Another place had zinc plated,doesn't sound good.

I like knowing where to get the right stuff.Heres one place I found.
http://www.grainger.com/category/wave-washers/washers/fasteners/ecatalog/N-8op
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I get my hardware from Winzer or Würth.

I wouldn't worry about the zinc coated items unless they were "hot dipped". My local industrial hardware store here in SF has an expansive metric nut and bolt selection including metric automotive bins which have zinc bits.
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I've got a couple of the tab washers on the way already, should be ok for now but I know a place locally to try.
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I get my hardware from Winzer or Würth.

I wouldn't worry about the zinc coated items unless they were "hot dipped". My local industrial hardware store here in SF has an expansive metric nut and bolt selection including metric automotive bins which have zinc bits.
Don't forget Global Metric in Belmont, CA. That place is FUCKING unbelievable. Metric metric metric - everything and anything in a metric fastener is there.
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Sorted rather quickly today, no issues. Pleasantly surprised that you can remove the rear hub nut using only the brake pedal if it is torqued to specs.

Gear cables adjusted, had a ride. Unfortunately, the clutch turns out to not have been my issue after all - the occasional popping out from 2nd and from 3rd is still present, so it has to be that a worn cruciform and/or tired selector spring are the root cause. I'm gonna rock it as is for a while, it is sporadic, so it's more of an annoyance than a show stopper for now. I'd rather have a solid plan before I split this thing as far as what upgrades should be made, etc.
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sdjohn wrote:
the occasional popping out from 2nd and from 3rd is still present, so it has to be that a worn cruciform and/or tired selector spring are the root cause.
could also be the 2 gear cables are a bit too tight and are "fighting" each other... this can cause this issue at times.

loosen up one of them a 1/4 turn and ride for a week

might be that easy

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Yeah when I got it they were too tight and it does make it worse but now I intentionally left them pretty slack and it's still there. Nevertheless I like your idea anyway and will try introducing still a bit more, nothing to lose!
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