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What is the best oil to use with NGK Iridium plugs?
Snake?
No, Royal Purple.
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I think any good quality oil is fine, especially synthetic. But be sure it's specific for motorcycles, and not just for automobiles. Different specs.
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So the FAA proves that Iridium plugs last longer and don't degrade performance and race teams prove that they increase performance.
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Has anyone claimed that iridium plugs do not have a longer service life?

That said, the FAA simply approved fine wire plugs for use, just as they approve legacy plugs. Plugs are still subject to the same inspection intervals, cleaning criteria and replacement when condition warrants. Users find longer life span, something which does not concern the FAA, who is only concerned with suitability, inspection interval and replacement condition specs.

There is another factor with aviation engines that does not pertain to scooters or cars. AVGAS is leaded, and lead is rough on spark plug electrodes.

Not that I know much about aircraft maintenance.
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I think any good quality oil is fine, especially synthetic. But be sure it's specific for motorcycles, and not just for automobiles. Different specs.
Your sarcasm detector appears to be faulty or nonexistent.

We're beating horses that are long dead here... obvious if you'd read any of the innumerable old threads on these subjects.

FWIW, though, I'll note that any modern Vespa should use only fully synthetic oil, and that the primary differences in specs for motorcycle-specific oils have to with suitability for wet clutches -- irrelevant for modern Vespas which don't have wet clutches. What it boils down to is that any oil -- whether motorcycle specific or not -- that is fully synthetic, of the weight specified in the manual, and meets or exceeds the API or JASO specs shown in the manual, is perfectly suitable.

Piaggio always endorses certain European brands, which seem to change from year to year. I suspect that mostly has to do with which oil company offers them the most money for the endorsement.
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Doesn't the PX150 have a wet clutch? I know my GT200 does not. Oh well. Live and learn.

I have three scooters and three motorcycles to consider, so I buy high quality motor oil specific for motorcycles. I'm not cutting corners when it's only a few bucks.
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Thank you tomjasz, for elevating this thread to where it needs to be.
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I think any good quality oil is fine, especially synthetic. But be sure it's specific for motorcycles, and not just for automobiles. Different specs.
The Vespa is made in Italy. I only use the proper Italian oil in mine.
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I wish I remembered 2% of what Al can recall of oil and mechanical specs. I think he might have been born knowing the difference. But apparently you have to be over 50 to know what Shinola is was Clown emoticon Just to be clear.
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But apparently you have to be over 50 to know what Shinola is was Clown emoticon Just to be clear.
Or shoe polish, for that matter. I can count on five fingers the number of times in my life I've shined a pair of shoes. I can count on zero fingers the number of times I've done it in the last 20 years.
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I knew what Shinola was. It's a bicycle!
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But apparently you have to be over 50 to know what Shinola is was Clown emoticon Just to be clear.
Actually, Tom, ever since the Mythbusters guys proved that you can actually polish a turd, the old "shit from Shinola" reference has been obsolete.
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Speaking of turds, how do you like the 4T Stella? Razz emoticon

I love my 2T Stella classic, but it's time to part with two of my machines.
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But apparently you have to be over 50 to know what Shinola is was Clown emoticon Just to be clear.
Or shoe polish, for that matter. I can count on five fingers the number of times in my life I've shined a pair of shoes. I can count on zero fingers the number of times I've done it in the last 20 years.
I was intimate with shoe polish for my brief time in basic training. Never used it before or since. Oh wait I think I used some for Halloween once to simulate a dirty bum look. Not that I had to go far for it.
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Speaking of turds, how do you like the 4T Stella? Razz emoticon

I love my 2T Stella classic, but it's time to part with two of my machines.
Actually, I'm thinking of getting rid of it. Bought it mostly to satisfy my shifting Jones, but I've come to appreciate real Vespa quality, and the Indian-made Stella doesn't have it... inferior materials... cheesy plating and paint... prehistoric and unreliable electrical system... rubber parts that oxidize and crack almost instantly. Even the grips turned to gooey slime in the sun. It's the only scoot I've got that I can't count on starting reliably.

When the Primavera hits the shelves, I may trade the Stella and my wife's Buddy for one for her.
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Doesn't the PX150 have a wet clutch? I know my GT200 does not. Oh well. Live and learn.

I have three scooters and three motorcycles to consider, so I buy high quality motor oil specific for motorcycles. I'm not cutting corners when it's only a few bucks.
You have no clue as to how the clutch in a classic Vespa works, therefore no clue as to how the lubrication system works much less what oil to use no idea of what your jetting or timing is and your big concern is the plug?

OK I'm calling it!

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I thought we were all being sarcastic? I was just trying to fit in. Of course it's a wet clutch. Nerd emoticon
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For those who care to know, I replaced the original belt which had shredded up with a Malossi Kevlar belt.
I would reconsider that move. It has happened to more than one member on MV that they got no where close to the miles out of a Mallossi belt compared to the OEM belt.

YMMV, please report back!
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I thought we were all being sarcastic? I was just trying to fit in. Of course it's a wet clutch. Nerd emoticon
You had me fooled.

But that's not hard to do, I use an iridium plug.
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I can count on one hand the number of times I've gone out with polishable shoes, unpolished. You mean everyone didn't have a Polish grandmother, a drill instructor, and a complete kit of badger brushes, brown, black and neutral? WOW! Heathens and harpies! No wonder I have to buy stuff on Amazon!
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I use an iridium plug.
Guilty, just not sure why.
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I can count on one hand the number of times I've gone out with polishable shoes, unpolished. You mean everyone didn't have a Polish grandmother, a drill instructor, and a complete kit of badger brushes, brown, black and neutral? WOW! Heathens and harpies! No wonder I have to buy stuff on Amazon!
^^^^ me too! And good luck finding a shoe repair shop. This thread just made me feel really old. Laughing emoticon
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^^^^ me too! And good luck finding a shoe repair shop. Laughing emoticon
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^^^^ me too! And good luck finding a shoe repair shop. This thread just made me feel really old. Laughing emoticon
Two in walking distance. Both, coincidentally, in the old Polish immigrant neighborhood. Although neither can do a full rebuild anymore.
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For those who care to know, I replaced the original belt which had shredded up with a Malossi Kevlar belt.
I would reconsider that move. It has happened to more than one member on MV that they got no where close to the miles out of a Mallossi belt compared to the OEM belt.

YMMV, please report back!
I'm not going back in there until the belt needs to be replaced again. For that, I have yet another new Malossi Kevlar belt. If I recall correctly, they were $79 from scooterwest.com and the OEM belt cost way more. The OEM belt literally shredded completely, leaving me stranded. I decided right there I'd better have a backup.

There's some good YouTube.com videos on DIY belt and variator rollers replacement.

Thanks for the warning, but we'll see how it goes.
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The OEM belt is not designed to handle the extreme power from the iridium plug.
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For those who care to know, I replaced the original belt which had shredded up with a Malossi Kevlar belt.
I would reconsider that move. It has happened to more than one member on MV that they got no where close to the miles out of a Mallossi belt compared to the OEM belt.

YMMV, please report back!
I'm not going back in there until the belt needs to be replaced again. For that, I have yet another new Malossi Kevlar belt. If I recall correctly, they were $79 from scooterwest.com and the OEM belt cost way more. The OEM belt literally shredded completely, leaving me stranded. I decided right there I'd better have a backup.

Thanks for the warning, but we'll see how it goes.
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I just like to use the best parts and fluids where I can. Apart from changing the drive belt and rollers at 10k miles on the Granturismo, all of my scooters have needed only minimum regular maintenance.
Also, belt interval is 9000 miles...
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No doubt. I better wrap the belt in iridium wire, too.
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That's not my belt, Midnight Rider. I have a GT200L.

This is the OEM belt for that:
http://www.scooterwest.com/items/?_pageCCS=t#page=/item_details/GT200-Original-Vespa-Belt/1950

And, come to think of it, it was almost exactly around 9k miles when it happened. The scooter now has 10k miles.
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^^^^ me too! And good luck finding a shoe repair shop. Laughing emoticon
You should consider switching to iridium shoes.
Gives a whole new dimension to "Butt Dyno".
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The OEM belt is not designed to handle the extreme power from the iridium plug.
If I had any liquid in my mouth I would have spit it reading this post.
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That's not my belt, Midnight Rider. I have a GT200L.
Sorry, missed that.
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Totally scientific.
By now I'm thinking of doing a totally independent scientific experiment.

I will need to buy two brand new identical Vespa 300 Super scooters.

I will replace the spark plug in one of them with a Denso Iridium Power plug.

Then, I'll run them both on dynos for thousands of miles until the first belt fails.

If it's the scooter with the iridium plug, we know for sure it's too powerful even for a Vespa.

If course, I'll have to repeat the experiment again with two other brand new scooters. I'm not sure my pockets are that deep. Who's with me?
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No go. Everyone knows red will ALWYS be faster.
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The OEM belt is not designed to handle the extreme power from the iridium plug.
Made the whole thread worth following right there.

The Denso plug sounds OK, but I'm too lazy to switch mine.

Not to mention possible power train damage
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By now I'm thinking of doing a totally independent scientific experiment.

I will need to buy two brand new identical Vespa 300 Super scooters.

I will replace the spark plug in one of them with a Denso Iridium Power plug.

Then, I'll run them both on dynos for thousands of miles until the first belt fails.

If it's the scooter with the iridium plug, we know for sure it's too powerful even for a Vespa.

If course, I'll have to repeat the experiment again with two other brand new scooters. I'm not sure my pockets are that deep. Who's with me?
You have to also make sure they're all built on the same day (I used to have a Monday bike -- it was noticeably slow) and that each one uses the same binning of piston / cylinder combos (either "N" or "M" will be stamped on the face of the piston).
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The Granturismo has the NGK Laser Iridium plug I bought from scooterwest.com. I don't think they would sell them if people were reporting it ruined their engines. Mine's running fine.

http://www.scooterwest.com/items/?_pageCCS=t#page=/item_details/NGK-Iridium-Laser-Performance-Spark-Plug-CR8EIB-(Vespa-Piaggio)/1716

BTW, I'm going to replace the filter the next time I change the oil with a Malossi red chili oil filter. That should add at least 5 m.p.h. to my top speed!
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For those who care to know, I replaced the original belt which had shredded up with a Malossi Kevlar belt.
I would reconsider that move. It has happened to more than one member on MV that they got no where close to the miles out of a Mallossi belt compared to the OEM belt.

YMMV, please report back!
And thousands, if not millions, of people all over the world use them just fine. I just put the Malossi XK belt in my GT200 and changed out the Variator. The discontinued Malossi belt for the GT200, which is what's mostly out there, and what I put in my GT200, is about two millimeters thinner and a half inch longer than the OEM belt. Bike seems to like it. I'm not sure how much of the increase in performance is from it or the new Variator (my impatience overcame my desire to save a buck, SF), and I'm not excited about going back in and investigating further until the weather warms up.
One thing to keep in mind is that a lot of people replace broken belts with what they think is the strongest belt they can find, are doing it for the first time or having it done by someone other than a Vespa dealer, and don't have anything to compare it to when they throw it in, and then when they do inspect it, they find that it is narrower than stock, so they assume it wore prematurely, but it started out thinner than the stock belt. If the belt is installed right, and the rest of the things in the variator and clutch that need to be taken care of are serviced, you will usually get performance out of any quality belt, be it Malossi, Dayco, or Piaggio, that lasts beyond the manufacturer recommended change interval..
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BTW, I'm going to replace the filter the next time I change the oil with a Malossi red chili oil filter. That should add at least 5 m.p.h. to my top speed!
If you get the one Malossi makes with two Ls, the red chilli oil filter, you will add even more than that. It's like nitrous. You won't ever need to buy a front tire because you'll be riding wheelies everywhere.
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