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Sun Jan 26, 2014 8:24 am linkquote
I haven't seen the two in person, but in the picture, the casting on the BGM looks of higher quality, or at least from newer molds.
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 9:45 am linkquote
I received mine Friday, and at first glance the exit tube looks smaller.
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:52 am

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Sun Jan 26, 2014 10:52 am linkquote
You're right, it actually is. But as route which fuel needs to flow is shorter and straightforward, I believe it works. It gives faster flow.
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:00 am linkquote
As I understand it the fast flow taps have larger holes and chambers. The hole under the tube screen is bigger and the 3 holes at the selector are a bit bigger as well. So even if the hose tube is slightly smaller ID but MATCHES the id of the slightly larger internals you get a faster flow...........wala!!
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:06 am linkquote
Holes at the selector are not significantly larger, but about 0.5mm larger will give more flow.

Chamber is actually a bit smaller.
Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:11 am

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Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:11 am linkquote
Partanen wrote:
Chamber is actually a bit smaller.
How do you know for sure. Do you have a pin head and looked up in there.

I already told you that the selector holes are bigger, doesn't matter how little. The fact is that it is regarded as a fast flow because they made increases to the ID's of the holes. As well as matching those ID's to the hose tube ID. As long as the ID's match and they are slightly bigger than you have a "faster flow".........hence 'fast flow' tap.

Its not rocket science......basic plumbing and hydraulics.
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:24 am linkquote
I have seen both dismantled, have you? If you look carefully you can see it from the picture, which I gave you
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:35 am linkquote
Partanen wrote:
If you look carefully you can see it from the picture, which I gave you
I believe none of what I hear and half of what I see.............that goes for your post as well.

The reason it is sold as a fast flow tap is because it is a FAST FLOW tap.

I don't need to look at naked picture of women to know that I like woman.

It is a product that is sold by a company on a large scale. I don't think they are in the business of selling something that isn't.

You need to do more research before you as a consumer start questioning the R&D of any reputable company.
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:45 pm linkquote
But you do know for sure that chamber is larger, without seeing it, do you?

Edit: There is no "chambers" as I see it. There is only one chamber, and it's smaller than in Piaggio's tap.
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 12:52 pm linkquote
Partanen wrote:
But you do know for sure that chamber is larger, without seeing it, do you?
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You still don't get it.

There have been flow rate test done on this tap. It is rated as a fast flow tap. Something is bigger......period.

Do you think i'm gonna take their word for it or the word of some dude that digs up 8 year old post and finds nothing to add to it but subjective commentary.

Sorry, just tellin it like it is.
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Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:02 pm linkquote
"flow rate test" you mentioned has been questioned in this topic. Please read again. You just proved that you do not understand what is going on.

Obviously you are young and that's why you cannot see that it doesn't matter how old thread is. Someone may read these topics after 20-70 years from now. What 8 years means in this scale. Please send me pm and we can solve our problems without disturb anyone else.
Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:14 pm

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Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:14 pm linkquote
Jimmy young?

Oh man, I needed that shit.
Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:23 pm

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Sun Jan 26, 2014 1:23 pm linkquote
I don't know him, but he's acting like one.
Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:01 pm

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Sun Jan 26, 2014 2:01 pm linkquote
TravisNJ wrote:
Jimmy young?

Oh man, I needed that shit.
HeheheehheEe

He doesn't know that I have my PM turned off... Ha
Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:32 am

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Tue Jan 28, 2014 6:32 am linkquote
Thanks for the pictures Partanen. Good observation on the outlet barb at the lowest level and the slightly larger three selector holes. The other major difference is the absence of the vent tube on the BGM tap.

Scootermarc's link to the tests proves interesting.

http://www.scooter-center.com/product/BGM3030/Fuel+tap+BGM+PRO+Faster+Flow+Vespa+PX+T5+125cc+Vespa+Rally180+VSD1T+Vespa+Rally200+VSE1T+Sprint150+VLB1T+TS125+VNL3T+GT125+VNL2

The following contains some very crude math, very rounded numbers with no calculator used, and some crude physics. Just for basic concepts.

The original tap flowed about 4.5 gallons per hour. SIP, 6gal. BGM, 13 gal.

A basic rule of thumb for 2 stroke fuel consumption is about 1 gallon per hour per 10 HP. It would seem from the test that the original tap could feed a 40 HP engine and the BGM a real monster.

It can't, the test is not valid for typical Vespa installations. The test rig uses open at the bottom fuel lines that hang down MUCH lower than the banjo fitting on an SI carb. The distance from the tank's fuel level to the banjo fitting determines fuel pressure seen at the banjo. The greater distance and completely open fuel line with NO restriction at the end does not simulate actual conditions. That test ONLY shows the taps' maximum unrestricted flows and that is influenced by the presence of the vent tube. The BGM has no vent tube.

Fuel bubbles can be seen in the video. Not many from the BGM. It goes back to scootermarc's mention of the bubbles when testing. Vent lines are used on gravity feed systems (water drains, sewage systems, etc.) to avoid air entrapment, vapor lock, prevent pressure hammering and other reasons.

There will be no bubbles in non-BGM vented taps with the fuel line at the banjo fitting level. Bubbles will start to appear when the flow through the line exceeds what the little holes in the selector can provide, and enough vacuum is developed at the tap to suck air through the vent tube. In use, there is always something connected to the fuel line to restrict flow and bubbling should not occur.

The vacuum developed is due to full line flow allowed by the completely open ends. Full line flow is interrupted by admittance of air through the vent tube. The BGM has no vent line (tube) so full line flow assists in a seemingly much better flow rate. Partanen's observation of the outlet and hole positions, allowing for downhill flow with no elbow should also help with max unrestricted flow.

A better test would be to curve the fuel lines up to installed levels, install restrictions (banjo fittings, float assembles, orifice tubes, or whatever), then compare flows from full to empty tank.

This is not to discourage users happy with the product and is no reflection on the BGM as an improved device. I just wouldn't want to be the salesperson hawking my wares to industrial engineers while playing that video.
Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:06 am

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Tue Jan 28, 2014 7:06 am linkquote
jimmyb865 wrote:
HeheheehheEe

He doesn't know that I have my PM turned off... Ha
I almost spit up what I was eating when I read this - what a crack up!
Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:34 am

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Fri Jan 31, 2014 4:34 am linkquote
Cabin Fever

When empty, the fuel in the bottom of the tank is only about 3 inches above the banjo fitting. Minimum flow condition. Sideways tank pictures.

25 inches of fuel line, routed somewhat like largeframe install. Original type tap and carb top hat/float assembly. Top hat about same distance down from tank as installed.

Tests were with 1 quart in the tank, flowing into a 1 pint container.

Line hanging straight down, the original tap flowed about 5 gallons per hour as shown in the video a few posts above.

With float assembly installed three inches below, the flow rate slowed to 1 pint in about 5 minutes. Approximately 1.5 gallons per hour. Using the 1gal/hr/hp rate shows the float can possibly supply up to a 15 hp engine. A P200 is supposedly 12. Running a stock P200 wide-ass open with a nearly empty tank is pushing it.

With the float assembly removed, the open line at the same level flowed at a slightly higher rate. It seems the original tap can flow more than the orifice sizes in the float assembly will allow to pass. I removed the tophat filter, same results. Removed the float and needle, same results. I suspect the hole from just above the mesh filter through the needle seat below is the culprit in flow restriction.

If I had a higher than 12 HP engine, I would not trust the original SI or tap. IIRC, SIP has a float assembly with a larger needle, and it has been also been suggested/done to enlarge the hole from the float chamber to the jet wells in an SI carb. Installation of a pump would give greater pressure, greater flow.

Fluid flow is determined by the smallest orifice size in the system at a given pressure. The water saver orifice in a shower head does just that, no matter the size of the piping attached to it and how much water that plumbing is able to dump with unrestricted flow.

It's very boring to watch and time those slight flows. Like watching paint dry or snow melt. No vintage shop chairs were harmed, but a piece of cardboard was contaminated.









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Fri Jan 31, 2014 6:01 am linkquote
blackbart wrote:
Cabin Fever


It's very boring to watch and time those slight flows. Like watching paint dry or snow melt. No vintage shop chairs were harmed, but a piece of cardboard was contaminated.
If my dad were alive he would commend you on your "i'll do it myself" effort.

I'm now your fan-of-the-day.
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Sat Feb 01, 2014 4:18 am linkquote
Thanks "blackbart". I was about to do my own tests but now I don't need to do. "Problem" is that Malossi kit should give close to 20hp quite easily. Maybe we need fuel pump as well.
Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:37 am

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Sat Feb 01, 2014 6:37 am linkquote
Partanen wrote:
. Maybe we need fuel pump as well.
I don't know anyone running a pump.

I know off hand one bike at 30plus hp and no pump.


Don't over think it and spend the 25 bucks for the tap.


But don't make the mistake of getting restricting fuel hose, ive seen it before.
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Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:16 am linkquote
Where do you get restricting fuel hose?
Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:34 am

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Sat Feb 01, 2014 7:34 am linkquote
scootermarc69 wrote:
Where do you get restricting fuel hose?
Wrong type hose.

Using vacuum lines or fishtank hose.......you'd be surprised what ive seen some bikes have.

I make sure my fuel hose has an ID that is the same or bigger than the ID of the banjo stub....but not so big that I have to you a stoopid hose clamp.

Motion pro is awesome. I recently found some braided at my local Culver hardware. Its the cats meow.
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Sat Feb 01, 2014 9:11 am linkquote
"Don't over think" surely is not my way to do things. I rather think many times, time after time.
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Sat Feb 01, 2014 11:45 pm linkquote
1 gallon an hour equates to riding at a constant 100kph (for US gallon) on my 25km's per litre Malossi 166. So if a standard tap can flow 4 and half times this amount, I think I'll be alright with a standard tap. Once my gas mileage is down to 6km's per litre or I am travelling at 450kph on my Vespa constantly I'll look into getting a fast flow tap.
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Sun Feb 02, 2014 3:29 am linkquote
One solution is to keep tank at least half full. It gives more fuel pressure.

But adding simple fuel pump can't be big effort.
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Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:14 am linkquote
Partanen wrote:
One solution is to keep tank at least half full. It gives more fuel pressure.

But adding simple fuel pump can't be big effort.
Not enough for any of us rocket scientist to notice.............and yes I think you should add a pump.... two pumps.

One for fuel and the other for more air.
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Sun Feb 02, 2014 6:59 am linkquote
hahahaha
will this affects the petrol intake?
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Sun Feb 02, 2014 7:16 am linkquote
jimmyb865 wrote:
Not enough for any of us rocket scientist to notice.............and yes I think you should add a pump.... two pumps.

One for fuel and the other for more air.
Do you understand anything what "blackbart" wrote? Or do you even read what others write?
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Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:29 am linkquote
Partanen wrote:
Do you understand anything what "blackbart" wrote? Or do you even read what others write?
NO





I don't read anybodys post who I feel is smarter than I...and Blackbart is one of them.


And for the record, in general, I do not read what others write.

Studies have found that reading is overrated.

(more cowbell)
Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:48 am

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Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:48 am linkquote
It could be helpful to the performance riders with SI carbs if someone could perform a flow test with one of the performance fuel taps connected to this Spaco larger diameter needle/seat float assembly from SIP. It would be like enlarging the hole in your 2gph water saver shower head orifice to flow more water.

http://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/float+chamber+cover+dellorto+_12832540

It seems odd to spend lots of time and money to make horsepower, and then just shove fuel line on the barbs without knowing what the fuel system can deliver.
Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:07 am

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Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:07 am linkquote
jimmyb865 wrote:
scootermarc69 wrote:
Where do you get restricting fuel hose?
Wrong type hose.

Using vacuum lines or fishtank hose.......you'd be surprised what ive seen some bikes have.
Once used the tubing from a douche bag as an "emergency fix" for my beloved 62 VNB. That was the only thing I could think to get hold of at 6:30 PM on a Saturday, and the corpsman at the base clinic nearly choked when I told him what I wanted it for. Worked just fine.
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Mon Feb 03, 2014 3:16 am linkquote
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It seems odd to spend lots of time and money to make horsepower, and then just shove fuel line on the barbs without knowing what the fuel system can deliver.
It seems equally odd to spend time and money on a "fast flow tap" when the carb, not the tap, is the limiting component in the system, and the max flow rate of the carb has not been determined to be effected by tap flow rate.
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Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:23 am linkquote
Aviator47 wrote:
Once used the tubing from a douche bag as an "emergency fix" for my beloved 62 VNB. ........... Worked just fine.
That's cause douches were bigger back then....
Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:09 pm

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Mon Feb 03, 2014 4:09 pm linkquote
Aviator47 wrote:
blackbart wrote:
It seems odd to spend lots of time and money to make horsepower, and then just shove fuel line on the barbs without knowing what the fuel system can deliver.
It seems equally odd to spend time and money on a "fast flow tap" when the carb, not the tap, is the limiting component in the system, and the max flow rate of the carb has not been determined to be effected by tap flow rate.
What color was the elephant? I was beginning to think nobody could see it or would say it.
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Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:53 pm linkquote
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What color was the elephant? I was beginning to think nobody could see it or would say it.
As long as it's made in Germany I don't care... just tell me where to click.
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Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:46 pm linkquote
blackbart wrote:
Aviator47 wrote:
blackbart wrote:
It seems odd to spend lots of time and money to make horsepower, and then just shove fuel line on the barbs without knowing what the fuel system can deliver.
It seems equally odd to spend time and money on a "fast flow tap" when the carb, not the tap, is the limiting component in the system, and the max flow rate of the carb has not been determined to be effected by tap flow rate.
What color was the elephant? I was beginning to think nobody could see it or would say it.
I get a bit self conscious about posting blinding flashes of the obvious.
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Tue Feb 04, 2014 5:26 am linkquote
I just got my first BGM tap. Had been using the SIP fast flow taps but everyone of the SIP taps leaked when closed. I hope to be riding in a few days as I have a few other mods to finish up but I'm excited to see the results of the new tap as my P200 is a fuel hog! Hot Rod Scooters Alpha kit with Vortex carb and Boom Stick.
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Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:36 pm linkquote
JoeP wrote:
... been using the SIP fast flow taps but everyone of the SIP taps leaked when closed.
Ya I found out my SIP tap was leaking in the closed position the first time I removed the tank. I thought the vent tube became loose so I used JB weld to secure it back to the tap, still leaked. It turned out to be the rubber fuel washer got chewed up, the SIP washer is a tad different vs the stock type.

So I picked a BGM tap,no more leaks...problem solved.
Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:30 pm

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Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:30 pm linkquote
I am a little more than disappointed in the SIP tap. It's not the first one to fail on me. I generally like the quality of SIP made products hence my "more than disappointment" in it's quality. I've been using other BGM electronic parts (stator/voltage regulator) and am very satisfied with the quality.
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Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:35 pm linkquote
mr.j wrote:
JoeP wrote:
... been using the SIP fast flow taps but everyone of the SIP taps leaked when closed.
Ya I found out my SIP tap was leaking in the closed position the first time I removed the tank.
Mine leaks as well. Very disapointing
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