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Anyone have these on their vintage scooter?

http://[redacted].com/results.cfm?t=02&q=tubeless

How bad is it when you get a blowout on a tubed tire at speed?
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Anyone have these on their vintage scooter?

http://[redacted].com/results.cfm?t=02&q=tubeless

How bad is it when you get a blowout on a tubed tire at speed?
Not sure on the tubeless as I don't currently run them but I can tell you a blow out at speed with tubes isn't much fun. Lost my back at about 45 mph and things got sketchy really fast. I was able to keep it rubber side down but don't suggest it for a weekend of fun.

In all fairness considering I hit a one inch thick piece of metal I really can't think it'd be a whole lot better on tubeless but it wasn't much fun at the time.
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I had one rear blowout on the freeway with a passenger.. we were just getting off the 78 freeway so we were going about 40.. just like Nigel said, it wasn't fun, but we didn't go down.. I actually think having a person on the back helped.. it just kind of went flat and got all wobbly an we coasted to a stop.. I was definitely pooping a little bit though.

I haven't had those sco ot rs wheels, but I've had SIP tubeless.. I din't like them for 3 reasons. 1.. the rims I got at the time were the 2.5" version and they have an offset which I hated... 2... I didn't like the nuts they came with.. and 3... fitting good quality stiff tires is a bitch! period..

I'm running split rims now, but definitely have my eye on the new Pinasco Split / Tubeless rims.. they're lighter than the SIP rims and the split part will make mounting good tires a non issue..

I can't compare a blowout on split vs tubeless as I've only had the one experience.. But I've READ that tubeless will deflate slower allowing you time to get it together.. (Just what I've READ.. true or not? I don't know)
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I've always used split rims for two reasons first I like to be able to fit and remove tyres and tubes myself also tubeless is pretty much a new thing on the classic scooter scene.

on a tour of the sw someone had a front valve blowout doing 100km on a bend with tubeless rims . very nice lammy smashed and broken bone


a lot of people have used RSVP rims and havnt been happy same with f a
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My opinion; one of the many joys of the vespa is its simplicity. Changing a tyre or tube on split rims can be done relatively easy, even on the side of the road.
Tubeless however...... I don't even want to think about it!

*you could always use 'Goop' - a green slimy puncture preventative.
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As an emergency repair, you can always shove a tube inside a tubeless tire.

What about balancing. Do scooter wheels fit in a standard wheel balancer?
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As an emergency repair, you can always shove a tube inside a tubeless tire.

What about balancing. Do scooter wheels fit in a standard wheel balancer?
Ive never had tubeless rims so plz forgive my ignorance. .. If it was a road side emergency would it actually be possible to add a tube inside a tubeless tire with your toolkit?
People bitch big time about how difficult the tyres are to get on/off.
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maybe baby
bloody expensive n nowhere here can squeeze tyres on ...... I know lads tht cant get tyres fitn where they can they mess up the finish
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100% safer in a flat tyre situation
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I had tubeless on my ET2 and had a bitch of a time finding a place that could mount new ones.
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As an emergency repair, you can always shove a tube inside a tubeless tire.

What about balancing. Do scooter wheels fit in a standard wheel balancer?
Ive never had tubeless rims so plz forgive my ignorance. .. If it was a road side emergency would it actually be possible to add a tube inside a tubeless tire with your toolkit?
People bitch big time about how difficult the tyres are to get on/off.
If you can you get enough room between the rim and the bead of the tire to fit a deflated tube inside, then yes. In Ireland, I took a flat in a rental car and the local garage used a couple of big flat screwdrivers to open up the tire and forced a tube in there. Scratched the shit out of the rim but hey, it was a rental.
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I have a set of FA Italia tubeless rims on my P200 and a set of Pinasco tubeless rims on the hot rod. I used a buddy's tire changer to install S1's on the FA Italia, and they were easy, very strong rims, and the tire/rim combo was 6 pounds lighter than the stock rims w/tubes and tires. The Pinasco rims are really nice. I had a time installing the first tire, but the next 2 were very easy. These rims weigh an additional pound over the FA Italia rims, probably due to the additional hardware for securing the rims together. They are well made, you'll never bend one a live to tell the tale and they look awesome. The Pinasco rims were a bit more difficult to source, but well worth the $$
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Re: What is the forum opinion on tubeless rims?
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Anyone have these on their vintage scooter?

http://[redacted].com/results.cfm?t=02&q=tubeless

How bad is it when you get a blowout on a tubed tire at speed?
I have a set of the SIP tubeless on my P and my smallframe. Love em. Not only do they look damn good, but the ride feels truer and more solid. Changing a flat however, is now no longer a road side job.
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+1 on green slime.

got two rear flats on the same day once.
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Re: What is the forum opinion on tubeless rims?
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snowrider wrote:
Anyone have these on their vintage scooter?

http://[redacted].com/results.cfm?t=02&q=tubeless

How bad is it when you get a blowout on a tubed tire at speed?
I have a set of the SIP tubeless on my P and my smallframe. Love em. Not only do they look damn good, but the ride feels truer and more solid. Changing a flat however, is now no longer a road side job.
Unless you carry a spare...
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bloody expensive n nowhere here can squeeze tyres on ...... I know lads tht cant get tyres fitn where they can they mess up the finish
Hey Bitza. I was in my local ATS yesterday and asked if they could fit tubeless tyres on 10" [Vespa] rims - apparently - "Yes. No problem. They're the same as wheelbarrows aren't they"?!
Cheeky git.
"And Minis" ?
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Looks like i'm a little late here, but...

I'm with Nigel on this one. Took a rear flat @ 45mph. Yeah, sketchy is the word. I didn't wreck either, but I thought I was gonna. Felt like my rear wheel was coming off and trying to high side at the same time.

Recent interstate riding has me thinking on tubeless as well. Looks like there's no free lunch there, though.
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Here's 3 burly Russian guys TRYING to mount a fat tire on a SIP wide rim.. needles to say it wasn't a "Show" wheel when they were done... It was mangled... ended up loosing air because they tweaked it so bad.. their machine wouldn't do it..
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Willie B wrote:
I have a set of FA Italia tubeless rims on my P200 and a set of Pinasco tubeless rims on the hot rod. I used a buddy's tire changer to install S1's on the FA Italia, and they were easy, very strong rims, and the tire/rim combo was 6 pounds lighter than the stock rims w/tubes and tires.
So you would recommend the FA Italias? They are closer to my price range than the Pinascos by a long shot.
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+1 on green slime.

got two rear flats on the same day once.
I've never used the slime and don't know anything about it... it obviously works. Can you leave it in for say, a month without issue? Or does it need replacing?
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As for the slime. Ive left it in for the past 3 years.
Im not sure if its luck or coincidence but i ve never had a puncture since. Before that i had a few punctures.
Cheap n easy!
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@ gincho. the fa look good but a couple of mates complained about quality




I'd give them a try but


also they won't fit under the panel. not a prob for you though eh
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As a spare under the side panel you mean? Probably not.

What sort of quality problems did they have?
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They will fit under the side panel with an expansion nut and a small piece of M8X1.25 all thread. This can be sourced at most hardware stores. I am carrying a spare with my FA Italia and Pinasco rims. Anyone needing specifics, email for particulars.
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