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However, the raw numbers in the US are underwhelming and I seriously doubt we will see the day any time soon that Piaggio, or any other scooter manufacturer will make model designs based on the American market.
I completely agree. And Piaggio has certainly been disappointed by the US sales of some of their more popular models when they have brought them here - the Typhoon, Fly 50/150, the BV250/350/500 and the MP3s all appear to have undersold Piaggio's expectations.
I would suggest being thankful Piaggio (as well as others) is willing to bring what they do to the US.
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Aviator47 wrote:
However, the raw numbers in the US are underwhelming and I seriously doubt we will see the day any time soon that Piaggio, or any other scooter manufacturer will make model designs based on the American market.
I completely agree. And Piaggio has certainly been disappointed by the US sales of some of their more popular models when they have brought them here - the Typhoon, Fly 50/150, the BV250/350/500 and the MP3s all appear to have undersold Piaggio's expectations.
Fly 150 is a GREAT seller; we have sold over 30 of them since June of last year when they first came out.
I have sold more BV350 in this past year than I have the 3 years before that with the BV 250/300/500.
Typhoon 50cc are selling pretty well around the country.
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Fly 150 is a GREAT seller; we have sold over 30 of them since June of last year when they first came out.
Okay, define great. About how many 125/150cc scooters has your shop sold since last June? In other words, how does that 30 scooters fit into comparable sales? My local dealer (largest volume scooter dealer in the state), has sold two. He was quite disappointed in both the Typhoon and the Fly as he thought they were well made scooters at a low enough price to take on some of the competition from Genuine, Kymco, Sym, and the like. Didn't happen for him.
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Fly 150 is a GREAT seller; we have sold over 30 of them since June of last year when they first came out.
Okay, define great. About how many 125/150cc scooters has your shop sold since last June? In other words, how does that 30 scooters fit into comparable sales? My local dealer (largest volume scooter dealer in the state), has sold two. He was quite disappointed in both the Typhoon and the Fly as he thought they were well made scooters at a low enough price to take on some of the competition from Genuine, Kymco, Sym, and the like. Didn't happen for him.
"Great" is what works for a given firm's business model within a given market.

Texans and Oregonians have different tastes. Hell, Dallasites and Fort Worthians also have different tastes, even though they are only 34 miles apart. ("Ft Worth is where the West begins. Dallas is where the East peters out.") In short, regional differences in consumer behavior are in no way unusual. As wearers of panty hose learned years ago, "One size fits all" is horse-puckey.
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Fly 150 is a GREAT seller; we have sold over 30 of them since June of last year when they first came out.
Okay, define great. About how many 125/150cc scooters has your shop sold since last June? In other words, how does that 30 scooters fit into comparable sales? My local dealer (largest volume scooter dealer in the state), has sold two. He was quite disappointed in both the Typhoon and the Fly as he thought they were well made scooters at a low enough price to take on some of the competition from Genuine, Kymco, Sym, and the like. Didn't happen for him.
Sold about 30 Fly 150, roughly 60 LX 150i.e, about a dozen S150 i.e, 25 LXV 150i.e.
The Fly 150 has hurt our Genuine Buddy 125 sales pretty bad.
Typhoon 125 are the ones we sell the least at about a dozen or so.
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Sold about 30 Fly 150, roughly 60 LX 150i.e, about a dozen S150 i.e, 25 LXV 150i.e. The Fly 150 has hurt our Genuine Buddy 125 sales pretty bad.
Interesting. Thanks. Looks like the LX150 and it's variants are your "great" seller, and the Fly is a "good" seller . Hope you do as well (or better) with the Primavera and Sprint as you have with the LX/S. The big difference here seems to be that the Fly has not had much success cutting into Buddy sales. (though I'm not really sure why, the Fly seems like a good machine at a good price to me)
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Sold about 30 Fly 150, roughly 60 LX 150i.e, about a dozen S150 i.e, 25 LXV 150i.e. The Fly 150 has hurt our Genuine Buddy 125 sales pretty bad.
Interesting. Thanks. Looks like the LX150 and it's variants are your "great" seller, and the Fly is a "good" seller . Hope you do as well (or better) with the Primavera and Sprint as you have with the LX/S. The big difference here seems to be that the Fly has not had much success cutting into Buddy sales. (though I'm not really sure why, the Fly seems like a good machine at a good price to me)
A lot of men buy the Fly because they fit on it, while they get almost the same price tag as the Buddy. Most men can't fit on the Buddy as they find it too small. A lot of couples also go for the Fly as they find it more comfortable than the Buddy for 2 up.
We sold also about 25 or so BV 350 and we did have a "killer" year on the GTS/ GTV last year. We never sold so many.
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.......and we did have a "killer" year on the GTS/ GTV last year. We never sold so many.
Out of curiosity (and getting back more to the subject of the thread - always a good thing), how did your GTS/GTV/super sales compare to your LX/LXV/S sales. My dealer actually sells more 250/300s than 150 Vespas. I believe, nationwide, the 150 is the bigger seller.
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.......and we did have a "killer" year on the GTS/ GTV last year. We never sold so many.
Out of curiosity (and getting back more to the subject of the thread - always a good thing), how did your GTS/GTV/super sales compare to your LX/LXV/S sales. My dealer actually sells more 250/300s than 150 Vespas. I believe, nationwide, the 150 is the bigger seller.
We still sell more of the 150 compared to the 300, although last summer, we did sell more GTS/ GTV than LXs. First time this ever happen to us!
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If you look at the changes Piaggio made when going from the LX to the Primavera, it appears the focus right now is on growing the Asian markets. As Asian consumers get more disposable income, prestige brands like Vespa are more obtainable. What would Piaggio gain in terms of the bottom line by making a GTS with a bigger engine, vs. what would they gain by developing Vespas for China, Vietnam and other emerging economies? That's why I think the seat height dropped on the Primavera..
I'd agree with that, and the Piaggio video on this thread certainly supports the focus on the growing far eastern market -> Piaggio commercial
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