Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:12 am

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Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:12 am linkquote
New long range tank and vacuum fuel pump going in my PX this week down at Mike Phoenix scooter, Manchester.
Also had him fit a set of new BGM Pro shocks. Pick it up next week when I get back from Saudi......



Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:23 am

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Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:23 am linkquote
Fuck me. Good thing you have the pump lad. Good Jaysis that thing is huge
Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:31 am

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Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:31 am linkquote
hahaa, yeah. Just shy of 12ltr.
Fitted it because fuel was struggling to gravity feed when under quarter tank, due to the height of the big carb. Under quarter tank and not enough weight in the tank to push the fuel up hill. Cut out a few times so didn't want any damage. Also not good only being able to go to quarter tank before stopping and carrying a jerry can everywhere.
Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:51 am

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Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:51 am linkquote
Aye, that'll get you to the moon and back for sure
Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:54 am

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Fri Jul 11, 2014 7:54 am linkquote
Not with his setup it won't....
Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:22 am

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Fri Jul 11, 2014 8:22 am linkquote
desperados
thatll now equate to a standard vespa @ tank per miles
Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:56 pm

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Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:56 pm linkquote
I've been considering filling up th whole void by using a flexi tank
Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:49 pm

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Sat Jul 12, 2014 8:49 pm linkquote
Re: Thats big innit!!!
daz9tt wrote:
New long range tank and vacuum fuel pump going in my PX this week down at Mike Phoenix scooter, Manchester.
Nice tank!! Is there a fuel tap? Got any other photos?
Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:01 pm

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Sat Jul 12, 2014 9:01 pm linkquote
I didn't know they where about I was even thinking of making some


who is making them
Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:14 am

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Sun Jul 13, 2014 1:14 am linkquote
joshzingzing wrote:
I didn't know they where about I was even thinking of making some


who is making them
There are plans on the GSF for a similar thing. It had a separate chamber below the existing one with a tube feeding the top section from the bottom.
Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:07 am

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Mon Jul 14, 2014 8:07 am linkquote
Big tank innit............
Photo of the tank.
Quote:
Nice tank!! Is there a fuel tap?
The fuel tap is removed along with the oil tank and sight glass, so no more auto lube either. I was premixing anyway on instruction of PM Tuning @ 3% after their engine rebuild.

I believe the vacuum line is tapped into either the crank case, or carb manifold. I think mine is on the manifold but I'll check and post a picture when I get it home. Speaking to one of the scooter racers at Croft circuit a while ago, he showed me his set up. Similar to mine and works really well, his was tapped into his big carb manifold.
So as soon as the engine is kicked over, the fuel starts feeding via the pump. And obviously stops when shut off. The speed of the fuel feed goes with the crank / revs.

Some tinkering with the fuel sender is also needed. I'm told the plastic locating pin is 'shaved', the sender turned around and fitted with a longer wire for an accurate reading.
Quote:
who is making them
The tank is made by a guy called Dave. email at: scootertrumps@hotmail.co.uk

I contacted him direct but didn't get much info from him. Mike Phoenix gets the tank from him anyway for any which he fits, so I guess either could supply and ship to you. Worth asking if you're interested.



Hope this all helps........ cheers.





Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:07 pm

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Mon Jul 14, 2014 2:07 pm linkquote
Very useful info, thanks Daz!
Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:09 am

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Tue Jul 15, 2014 2:09 am linkquote
I found the GSF drawing and scaled off the lid section to get these other dimensions. Somebody may find it useful... it's something I'd like to try building but wondering if my welding skills are up to it...



Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:09 am

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Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:09 am linkquote
I'll lend you a welder, or 3
Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:26 am

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Tue Jul 15, 2014 3:26 am linkquote
Can I borrow some skills too?
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Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:33 pm

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Wed Sep 18, 2019 6:33 pm linkquote
Multi-year bump...

Rather than starting another thread, I figure it might be best to piggyback on this one.

I've been very interested in a long range tank for my PX for many, many years. I know Scooter Trumps (Dave Hampson) makes (or made) one. I'm wondering if anyone here had had first hand experience with the tank?

I've been PM'ing with Ginch some about the tanks, and he gave me some good info (thanks Ginch!). I'm having thoughts on fabbing up my own, but all the R and D that it takes to get it just right is going to take some doing. If the Scooter Trumps tanks aren't too expensive, it would probably easier just to buy new.

I guess Dave sells his tanks on his Facebook page (and I don't have Facebook). Does anyone know if he still makes them, and if so, how much they cost, the turnaround time for him to make, and shipping to the US (hopefully no import fees)?

https://scooterlab.uk/scooter-trumps-vespa-fuel-pump-bracket-news/

Thanks in advance!
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Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:41 pm

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Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:41 pm linkquote
Another multi-year bump...

Does anyone know if Dave is still making his PX long range fuel tanks? I don’t have face book, so I’m unable to contact through that route. I did send him an email last week, but I haven’t gotten a reply yet.
Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:06 pm

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Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:06 pm linkquote
whodatschrome wrote:
Another multi-year bump...

Does anyone know if Dave is still making his PX long range fuel tanks? I don’t have face book, so I’m unable to contact through that route. I did send him an email last week, but I haven’t gotten a reply yet.
According to his FB page, he was still doing them 10 weeks ago.
Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:04 am

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Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:04 am linkquote
Ginch wrote:
According to his FB page, he was still doing them 10 weeks ago.
Thanks for looking Ginch. My buddy has a facebook account, so he's (we're) now waiting to be accepted to the scooter trumps facebook. I didn't realize that there's a wait time to look at a private facebook. Seems like a business would have an easier time advertising and selling their goods if the whole free world was able to actually shop at the said business?
Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:09 pm

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Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:09 pm linkquote
whodatschrome wrote:
Thanks for looking Ginch. My buddy has a facebook account, so he's (we're) now waiting to be accepted to the scooter trumps facebook. I didn't realize that there's a wait time to look at a private facebook. Seems like a business would have an easier time advertising and selling their goods if the whole free world was able to actually shop at the said business?
I get the feeling he doesn't spend much time on FB so may take a while... mostly he seems to run stalls at the bigger rallies in the UK and probably doesn't really need the additional business from FB.
Anyway this might help you get in touch by phone.



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Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:28 am

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Mon Jul 11, 2022 9:28 am linkquote
Ginch wrote:
I found the GSF drawing and scaled off the lid section to get these other dimensions. Somebody may find it useful... it's something I'd like to try building but wondering if my welding skills are up to it...
This is what I was looking for, I did contact him also.
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Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:12 pm

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Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:12 pm linkquote
I've been on the lookout for a thrashed P or a Stella frame for quite a few years. The free P that I got from the tow company I think will fit the bill quite nicely. The frame is creased a little bit, but I just keep that in mind when it comes to fitting a larger fuel tank. Larger fuel tank?!...yup, I'm planning on using this frame to mock up and weld my own long range fuel tank. Splitting the frame right down the center will (should?) make it fairly straightforward for making measurements and initial fabrication and mock ups. I'm in no rush to start the project, but I wanted to at least make a game plan for when I do start on it. Scooter Trump's tanks are 11.5 liters. I'd like to be able to make mine at least the same size. I might even try at some point to maybe fabricate a second PX fuel tank in a "six days" style. If so, maybe I could make it to hold closer to 4 gallons of fuel? I'd have to use a single saddle seat though, and that seat might look peculiar on a PX.

Anyhow enjoy the pics. If anything, it's interesting to see the side profile of a P frame.











Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:57 pm

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Thu Sep 22, 2022 9:57 pm linkquote
Pretty cool to see the shape of the inside that clear.

Amazing that it looks like there's actually not too much extra space…
Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:05 pm

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Thu Sep 22, 2022 10:05 pm linkquote
108 wrote:
Pretty cool to see the shape of the inside that clear.

Amazing that it looks like there's actually not too much extra space…
No doubt it's a tight fit. For kicks, I should slip the oil reservoir back on the tank and take a few pics of as well.
Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:03 pm

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Thu Sep 22, 2022 11:03 pm linkquote
nice! I love it.

fwiw, ages and ages ago I got a price for one of the scooter trumps tanks and I wanna say it was about 4~450 US
Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:56 am

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Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:56 am linkquote
Very cool. Should make tank making relatively easy. Or at least easier!

What did you cut it with? Looks very smooth.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:53 am

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Fri Sep 23, 2022 1:53 am linkquote
Ginch wrote:
Very cool. Should make tank making relatively easy. Or at least easier!

What did you cut it with? Looks very smooth.
Super good question, nosey to know too!
Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:13 am

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Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:13 am linkquote
Ginch wrote:
Very cool. Should make tank making relatively easy. Or at least easier!

What did you cut it with? Looks very smooth.
I'm guessing jigsaw with a fine-tooth metal cutting blade, but also curious to know for sure.

That's a super-cool way to do the design. Helps to have a frame you don't mind cutting up lying around, too.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:33 am

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Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:33 am linkquote
assuming if you go real low.. as far to the bottom of the tunnel as you can, then you'll need a fuel pump cause the tap will be below the carb banjo?

You planning on putting a pump inside the frame or on the outside near the carb?

I wish I had your fabrication skills!
Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:36 am

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Fri Sep 23, 2022 5:36 am linkquote
Wow! That's a Paris-Dakar kind of tank.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:30 am

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Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:30 am linkquote
orwell84 wrote:
Wow! That's a Paris-Dakar kind of tank.
YES! And it just so happens that i know a few american guys who are planning on racing their rally bikes at this next upcoming Dakar in 2023 (january 1st). And i'll be traveling to Mexico next month for the Sonora Rally. I can't navigate and race very well at the same time, so i'll be there as a volunteer. Plus rally racing is an insainly expensive sport. Eating tacos and volunteering is about my pay grade.
Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:39 am

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Fri Sep 23, 2022 10:39 am linkquote
whodatschrome wrote:
Plus rally racing is an insainly expensive sport. Eating tacos and volunteering is about my pay grade.
Any hobby that starts with "ship multiple ISO containers to someplace far from deepwater ports" is going to get expensive before you even start breaking the contents of those containers.
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