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13" wheels are not a new concept for the Vespa GTS, GTV, and GT60. In fact, people have already been running 13" wheels on their Vespas for some time now. Myself included. I have been trying to design and manufacture a 13" wheel for the Vespa for years now. The biggest problem I seem to come up with is the cost of manufacturing. With much fighting, searching, and luck, I will be coming out with at 13" wheel soon. I know there are some options out there already, however, I am looking to make my own style. I will be staying true to the vintage and elegance of the Vespa in my designs. Working on creating timeless pieces to enhance the ride, quality, and esthetics of the modern Vespa.

This thread is being created to showcase my 13" wheels. Stay tuned for photos, comments, and the creation of the NB Scooting wheels.
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The concept of a 13" wheel drove me to resource out some outer rim halves. The idea would then allow for me to make the center to look as I wanted. I used a Vespa LX 11" wheel as the center design and the 13" rim half to show what it might look like when it is finished.
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Then the measuring comes into play. I have access to a CMM machine. This probe touches off and gives points in space. These points are measured to determine critical offsets, bore sizes and more.
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Next I take some last measurements and modify the design for the 3 piece wheel.
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Material for the centers are ordered to size and ready to cut.
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What models Vespas are you designing for? I have a GTS - ABS.

Also, if these fir the GTS, what size / brand tires are available that will fit front/rear?

Any idea of cost range?
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Any chance on something for the LX's?
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Hello gregbenner,

Yes, these wheels will work for the GTS with ABS. I can not tell you the full cost yet. Once I get everything worked out and tested, I will have a better idea.

I have tested a few tire manufacturers. Avon, Michelin, and the Shinko.
There are more brands like Pirelli as well. There are more scooters around the world with 13" wheels than 12" believe it or not. So there are more options than the 12"
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Hello duane1,

I have not designed for the smaller LX, S, and ET's yet. However, as I did start my company manufacturing seats for the LX, I can not just leave them out of the picture. After I sell and recoup some cost of the wheels I am making, I hope to work on LX,S,ET along with Primavera, and Sprint.
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Thanks to some friends of mine I now have a prototype 3 piece 13" wheel. I have not yet cut a pattern into the wheel yet. I am waiting until I am ready to go into manufacturing and selling. Right now I am just prototyping and making sure I get all the kinks worked out.

Unfortunately, the 3 piece wheel gets in the way of the brake caliper in the rear. This is due to the web diameter needed to bolt all 3 pieces together. As I have been wanting to make a one piece wheel anyways, this is not a terrible problem. I can design around that with a one piece 13" wheel.

In the motorcycle industry, there are limits to the size wheel you can use due to many factors. Clearance and Trail Number are usually the determining factor. Some Harley's can get away with replacing the front 16", 18", and 19" wheel for a 21" wheel with out changing the geometry of the motorcycle. Basically, the axle height does not change enough to change the ride of the bike. With this being said, I have one 13" wheel that will fit the front and not the rear. So, I mounted the 13" wheel and tire on the front of the Vespa. I left the 12" wheel and tire on the back. I took it for a test ride, knowing there is going to be someone out there that says, "well, you can not see the rear wheel that well behind the drive terrain and exhaust." Unfortunately, the steering becomes heavy. It falls into turns easy but is tough to pull out of turns. Again, this is not a terrible thing. I discovered that you should not put a 13" wheel on the front and not on the back. I also learned, on the front, there is plenty of room for the 13" wheel and tire. Now, I just need to some how get a 13" wheel on the rear of the bike to test it.
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Knowing that other people have used the Yorban 13" wheels on the Vespa GTS, I figured I'd pick one up. In all the information that you can read up on, it says modifications need to be made to allow for proper fitment in the rear.

So, I have taken measurements off the Yorban and figured all the modifications necessary. From there, I chucked it up in the lathe and went to town.
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Then I test fitted the rear wheel on the spindle and mounted it to the hub. Made sure it had adequate clearance and proper alignment.
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Sorry, here is the photo.
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Next mounting the tire and reinstalling the wheel. Now its ready for a test ride.
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Nice pics. Very interested as to how the Yourban's ride.
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In all the information that you can read up on, it says modifications need to be made to allow for proper fitment in the rear.... I chucked it up in the lathe and went to town.
What'd you cut? These threads say no mods necessary:

Got the Yourban 13" front wheel on my GTS

Rolling on 13"s... the Yourban wheel conversion is comp
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So, I have officially ridden over 300 miles this past weekend on the 13" front 13" rear. The ride is great. First run, I got on the highway and rode over 65miles at 85+ mph. Basically I was pegging out my Vespa GTV250. The speedo seems to be much more accurate. But most importantly the handling capabilities.

First, I will say, yes the bike handles differently. That is kind of the point right? At low speeds: the bike seems to lean very easily. Not heavy in any manner. The steering is very comparable to the factory 12" front and rear. I can see how the shorter rider might struggle a little more when coming to a stop. The axle height is taller both front and rear. While riding, this is not a bad thing. In fact, I like it sooooooooo much more. This brings me to the next bit of information.

Average riding: This is where I will classify anything from about 35-60mph. Wow, what a difference. First of all, some of the back roads near me are pretty rough. Plenty of pot holes, gravel, cracks... list goes on. Because the tire is bigger than the 12", it seems to take to the rougher roads and rugged terrain much better. I have even run the set up about 3 miles on gravel roads. The "meat" of the rubber just allows for a smoother and better handling capabilities. Leaning at average riding speeds is not a problem. The tire selection and fitment still allows for a nice domed shape contour to the outer profile of the tire.

High speed riding: Again, not a problem. The bike handles as it should. In fact, I noticed that I did not get blown around as bad. Lets face it, No wind screen on a light bike with all the weight in the back at 80+ mph can be a bit of a rough ride. Any of you daring enough to ride your scooter like you stole it will know, the Vespa is no BMW adventure bike. But it really did seem as though the wind, passing cars and semi trucks was not as brutal.

Now you are going to ask, "well how about stopping?" excellent question. Many of you already experience the break shimmy the Vespa gets under deceleration. There is still a slight shimmy at about 30mph when the weight transitions back towards the front wheel. Don't kid yourself though, I am super picky about ever detail. Most of the riders will probably not even feel the slight shimmy I am talking about. I tried the set up on my dad's GTS 250, and his shimmy was actually better with the 13" wheels. My Vespa does not have a bad shimmy to begin with. My dad's bike and the 12" wheels, it was pretty rough. With the 13" wheels, it is much less of a shimmy. So, where I feel it, it actually tends to be better under breaking and or letting off the throttle than the factory set up. Crazy right?

Being that I live in North Ga. I am young, and have a touch of crazy in me, I took the Vespa for a joy ride through the North Georgia Mountains and into North Carolina. My suspension and brakes are stock. I have an Akrapovic exhaust that I drag when leaning hard right. When leaning hard left, I drag the center stand. Since the axle height is now taller, the lean angle on the Vespa is much greater than before. I did accidently scrap my exhaust again, however, not in the typical manner. I actually found the full limitations of street tires and suspension and laid the bike down . Keep in mind, I am passing crotch rockets in the mountains and when I stop people are asking me how in the hell is that possible? This is very extreme riding that I was doing and the bike handles so nicely banking through the hairpins. And yes, I am ordering a set of racing slicks to test this further. No more scraping exhaust and center stands for you crazy riders.

With all that being said, I am moving forward to manufacturing my own wheels. I personally feel as though this is how Vespa should be setting up their scooters to begin with. Being that I feel this avid on the fact, I already have my machine shop making one piece wheels to fit front and rear. Direct bolt on application.
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Here is another shot of the set up. I really like how the wheel and tire fill out in the finder too.
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The ones pictured are the style you are planning to sell?
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Yourban wheel is on the rear of the bike. I made two (3 piece) 13" wheels. The wheel on the front is a 3 piece wheel that I made. The 3 piece wheel will not clear the caliper and rotor in the back. So, before I go into dumping a ton of money into developing a (1 piece) 13" direct bolt on wheel, I must know how it rides. So, I purchased and modified the Yourban wheel just for testing purposes. The 13" wheel rides great. So I made the call on Friday to go ahead and start production of my own 13" wheels. I will not show my designs of my wheels yet, so all you are looking at is a 3 piece "Smoothie" prototype. There is no coating on this wheel, it is a plane solid wheel.

To answer the question about modifications... I had to modify the Yourban wheel to fit my spindle and be directly centered on the bike.
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Thx for the clarification. Any idea of timing? I am pretty interested in 13" wheels, but personally like the Yourban style much better than the smoothie. If the ultimate style is likely to be different from the smoothie, I will wait to see it first. Thx for the writeup BTW, it is informative.
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I am expecting to get the new 1 piece wheels with in a couple of weeks. These will show up with absolutely no finish to them. I will take photos, mount tires, test ride and take more photos mounted on the bike. Then I will have to take the tires back off the weels, clean them up, and send them out to be coated. My first set will be a 3 stage chrome wheel. This means, the wheel will be polished, then copper plated, then nickel plated, then chrome plated. I will offer a couple of different coatings as well. I will offer a black powder coated wheel, and a limited edition of a dark gold.

I will start by offering 2 different style wheels. The "Smoothie" and the "M8". The M8 is a timeless retro look that many old European racecars used to have. I will keep with the true nature and styling of Vespa. I do think you will like the look of the M8. When it is here, I will post quality photos for you to see.
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After calling in the work. I already am on my way to having the wheels machined. This is the back side of the wheel after it was turned.
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Here is another shot. Still not complete.
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Here is the top side with a little more progress.
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Nice! I can't wait to see what the final design looks like.
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So, I have some photos sent in from the guy cutting the wheels. Wow these wheels are gorgeous! I am not sure I want to show them yet. I think I will wait until I get them in my hands for some better photos. They should be coming in with in a week or so. I am getting very excited.
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I say that, but I am excited to show them. If someone really twists my arm, I might just show the wheels as they sit in the machine shop.
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Haha, alright Killo!

I will show them, but first I have to show my first creation of the wheel. Everyone has seen the 3 piece smoothie now, but not everyone has seen the 3 piece M8. I had designed the 3 piece M8 3 years ago and finally made them a year later. I then took it to Amerivespa in NOLA. I set up as a vendor there showing off my products, creations, and work. You can see the seats I make, the Grips I make, and of course the 3 piece wheels.
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Here is another photo I took 2 years ago.

There is the limited edition gold grips I also manufactured.
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OMG! I love those! Having said that, I likely can't afford a set of them. Nice work.
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Thank you. It might not be too bad. I honestly do not know the over all cost of the wheels yet. I imagine they will be comparable to some other manufactures that make 13" wheels for the Vespa. All other manufactures are over seas. So their manufacturing is cheaper, but I am sure shipping and importation tax might make the wheels a bit more expensive here. So, these are made here in the United States. More expensive manufacturing with excellent quality, but less expensive shipping and taxation.

And don't worry, I am not here to destroy peoples pocket books. I charge a fair price to keep me in business and keep all my customers happy.
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Nice. Different from everything else out there. And with 3 piece rear could be wider?
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Unfortunately the 3 piece wheel will not work for the rear at all. The clamping section of the rim is too small of a diameter to fit around the center mounted brake caliper and rotor. If it did work, I would have been selling these wheels 2 years ago. However, I am not giving up. That is why I went back to the drawing board and started designing a 1 piece wheel. I will post pictures of it soon.

For now, I am going to show some more photos of the 3 piece wheel photo'd 2 years ago.

Here it is on my dad's GTS.
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