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I think that my issue with Cafe Racers and Bobbers is that it's a bike that you make and modify yourself not buy off the shelf.

Lets face it it gives the designers a day off doesn't it ?

Bobber style you say ? coming right up !

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And by stripping stuff off won't that save em a few pennies? .... yet they sell it for more as it's a "jinlun special" 😂
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The Django is sold here and it's horrifically bad. By all reports they are breaking down and having all sorts of issues with the electrics.
Stay away from Peugeot/Mahindra.
I think you have to cite some basic facts before saying something like that. Where in the world are you? what sort of problems? I tried google to look for standard issues but nothing major came up. That's not to say I trust french manufacturers, I had a Renault Scenic and it was just one electrical problem after another, but you have to give some basic info otherwise it just sounds like personal bias.
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mickfitz76 wrote:
The Django is sold here and it's horrifically bad. By all reports they are breaking down and having all sorts of issues with the electrics.
Stay away from Peugeot/Mahindra.
I think you have to cite some basic facts before saying something like that. Where in the world are you? what sort of problems? I tried google to look for standard issues but nothing major came up. That's not to say I trust french manufacturers, I had a Renault Scenic and it was just one electrical problem after another, but you have to give some basic info otherwise it just sounds like personal bias.
I'm based in Thailand.
These are imported from India since August this year.
The newly established dealer is ready to throw in the towel as the support from the factory is pathetic. He has bikes sitting and waiting for parts. Faulty dash is a major one. The ancient combi brake setup is horrid.

I have no personal biased whatsoever. I was ready to buy one myself until I saw what others had wrong with their bikes.
You can research my post history. I buy bikes, use them and sell them once I'm bored. I've been through a good 30 bikes in the last 5 years so I know what I'm talking about.
Google doesn't give you a clear picture of faults unless you speak to a Peugeot dealer, even he is hesitant to bad mouth it due to what he has invested.
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I can vouch for Renault electrics being awful.

You see for me built in China still says built cheap to me.

And yet I have every faith in the Taiwanese.

Strange.

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mickfitz76 : thanks for the background info.

Bill : I bumped into a guy at the top of my road putting sticky tape around the top of his front window on his Renault so I gave him my top tip for holding the windows up when the electrics fail. We soon started trading stories about all the things that went wrong on the damn things. It amazes me anyone buys them. Oddly enough, I'm in France at the moment, and you see Renault everywhere - I guess they must be blindly loyal out here.
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It is finally here. Genuine motorcycle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRgQvwqsZIQ
I really appreciated the video and the bike. It was really interesting. Nice of them to take the time to video and post it.

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Here is a review of the CSC Motorcycles SG250 San Gabriel. Seems like a nice little bike, and, a good objective review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro_651jxsPg
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I know there has been some recent discussion on Royal Enfield's new 650cc bikes, but here is a review of the Interceptor 650. At $5800 USD, it seems like it could be a real bargain.

https://www.cycleworld.com/2019-royal-enfield-int650-first-ride
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I saw the following review of the Royal Enfield 650 twin by our very own Mr Fish. He appears to like it!
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I saw the new Kawasaki W800 first time live today, in a motorcycle show.

It's a cool bike, more retro than e.g. the latest retro Triumphs.
Especially handlebars are interesting - the angle and shape are like in the old bikes.... would be really interesting to ride one!
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Here is a review of the CSC Motorcycles SG250 San Gabriel. Seems like a nice little bike, and, a good objective review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro_651jxsPg
these look fun...
https://www.cscmotorcycles.com/New-Inventory-2019-CSC-Motorcycles-Motorcycle-Scooter-City-Slicker-Azusa--5652551
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Kevin Harrell wrote:
Here is a review of the CSC Motorcycles SG250 San Gabriel. Seems like a nice little bike, and, a good objective review.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ro_651jxsPg
these look fun...
https://www.cscmotorcycles.com/New-Inventory-2019-CSC-Motorcycles-Motorcycle-Scooter-City-Slicker-Azusa--5652551
Not with that range

Range: 37 miles at 37 mph
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Not with that range

Range: 37 miles at 37 mph
But it's not aimed at those in the great outdoors. I live around 8 miles from the city centre. I could just plug it in overnight and I'd get free commuting - no idea what you pay for road tax, insurance etc but I guess servicing costs are low as is purchase price. Definitely not retro though.
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Not with that range

Range: 37 miles at 37 mph
But it's not aimed at those in the great outdoors. I live around 8 miles from the city centre. I could just plug it in overnight and I'd get free commuting - no idea what you pay for road tax, insurance etc but I guess servicing costs are low as is purchase price. Definitely not retro though.
i agree...for city/short commutes it's fine but not useful for much else...but there is no electric bike out right now that i would buyif you want to go farther away where do you plug in vs gas station on every corner...i'll stick to gas for now...harley is releasing an electric motorcycle as well...range is 110 miles...

https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/motorcycles/future-vehicles/livewire.html
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Rode the Husqvarna Svartpilen 401 first time today!
It was only in an indoor test tract, but I did get some feelings:

-it sure is flickable! At the first slow, tight curve, I almost got scared that the front wheel dives under me. A guy from the importer later told me, that this is because of the combination of steering geometry and the tyres. But once you got used to it, it did not seem to have any limits on how it's thrown into corners.

-even if the Vitpilen is supposed to be the cafe racer, Svartpilen has also quite forward leaning riding position. Too much of so for me - OK for a short test ride, but my physics would need a more upright riding position for longer rides.

-mainly because of the riding position, it's hard to see this bike as a scrambler. It's a street/city bike.

-the engine is quite nice, that's how a sub-400cc engine should be made 8)

-the bike it's light, very easy to handle.
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Rode the Husqvarna Svartpilen 401 first time today!
It was only in an indoor test tract, but I did get some feelings:
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I'm still considering one of those. Thanks for the first-hand report!
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Rode the Husqvarna Svartpilen 401 first time today!
It was only in an indoor test tract, but I did get some feelings:
...
I'm still considering one of those. Thanks for the first-hand report!
If you're OK with the sporty riding position, it's definitely a bike worth checking out. I forgot to mention, that clutch was easy, light and natural to use - it's always a good sign when you don't need to pay attention to it.

The same with gears - the test track was quite short and max speed was only 40 mph... they had radars and you got kicked out for speeding...so I used only 3 first gears (mostly the 2nd) and tested the 4th, but gears were easy too, no false neutrals or anything like that.

I've read from somewhere that you'll have to be carefull with Svartpilen's clutch at start as they don't have much torq at low revs. I didn't see any signs of this. I have to move the bike around a bit before going to the track and after coming from there and again, I did not pay any specific sttention to the clutch nor did I notice anything wrong with the low rev grunt... and my own bike is the Triumphs 900cc with especially strong low rev torque
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Ural upgrades for 2019.

Which is why I am not taking the 2018 the dealer has in stock even though it's a good deal. I can order a 2019 in March so probably wont get it until the summer considering the custom paint and accessories. The reviews of the 2019 models are good and apparently the acceleration improvement is quite noticeable.

https://www.cycleworld.com/ural-upgrades-its-engines-for-2019

One dominating story of EICMA 2018 is how manufacturers are evolving and adapting to tougher emissions standards. It's a landscape-shifting requirement that no one can get around, even if you're selling heritage-focused adventure motorcycles that can trace their origins to before WWII.
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Most of the changes to the 2019 Ural are to the top end of the engine.
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For 2019, Ural announced technical evolutions to keep the personality of its motorcycles the same while aiding refinement and meeting these emissions requirements. The result is the same Ural, but with a slew of all-new components. Most of the changes revolve around the top end of the engine. From what we've seen, the bottom end is a carryover.


First, cylinder manufacturing has been modified for more precise honing. Ural claims these changes will make the break-in process faster with more consistent sealing of the rings, allowing for better oil retention and a longer cylinder life.
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Better break-in with better ring sealing and longer wear are all claimed for the new cylinder honing process on the 2019 Ural models.
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For the cylinder heads, intake- and exhaust-port geometry is revised and Ural is claiming improved flow of gases. To decrease operating temperature and improve cooling, the exhaust port of the cylinder head is reduced in length, and the cooling fins on the cylinder and cylinder head have been increased in size.
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The exhaust port is now shorter to reduce operating temps.
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The pistons are all new. From a manufacturing standpoint, they're now gravity cast from NASA 388, an aluminum/silicon alloy, for improved heat resistance. In addition, there are Teflon-inlaid skirts to reduce friction, a hard-anodized crown and top ring groove for temperature resistance, a phosphate-coated piston pin, and optimized piston ring groove tolerances.
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New pistons in the 2019 Ural engines feature Teflon skirt inlays and a hard-anodized crown.
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The fuel-injection system is also all new. Keihin throttle bodies are utilized and feature a TPMS and electronic idle speed control. These changes are aimed to improve throttle response, improve "start ability," and provide a more stable idle. It is now a closed-loop system, with a new fuel injector, new fuel injector location, new self-priming, in-tank fuel pump with integrated filter and pressure relief, and new catalysts, all with the aim to reduce emissions without reducing power. If all this sounds a bit too modern, have no fear, Ural enthusiasts, because it still has a kickstart.


Rounding out the changes are an improved oil pickup design, and redesigned oil sump to increase oil capacity to 2.6 liters without reducing ground clearance. No power increases are claimed with these changes. Ural states that horsepower and torque are still 41 hp at 5,500 rpm and 42 pound-feet at 4,300 rpm, respectively.
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Oil capacity is increased to 2.6 liters without reducing ground clearance form the deeper sump.
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In addition, all three wheels (and spare) are now fully interchangeable with one another; and now share the same hub. The rims are from a new vendor and made from different aluminum alloy and are claimed to have more strength and a more refined finish.
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Ural states the goals of all these changes clearly, "Our goal was to improve performance and reliability while meeting or exceeding ever-tightening emission control requirements." With a fair amount of ingenuity and an adherence to what makes Ural unique, these changes sound like a win-win. Who doesn't like a cooler-running motor, that's more reliable and cleaner, all while retaining its unique character? We're excited to test these changes soon. The 2019 models hit dealerships in January, and pricing starts at $16,999.
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And Now, For Something Kinda-Sorta Different:
Had to scoot to the train to meet Le Wife in Gotham (art show opening, which she's a part of), but had just enough time to scurry off to my dealer to get a one-day-only advance-peek at Indian's upcoming FTR 1200...and, man, it's a stunner (and, scarier-still, it's the comfiest Indian I've ever been astride): they had a rock-stock version, and a tricked-out version (the one I'm sitting on) with Akropovic slip-ons and lots of carbon-fiber bits. They will have trouble keeping up with demand for this little number.
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Still like this
Can never argue with that.
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Had to scoot to the train to meet Le Wife in Gotham (art show opening, which she's a part of), but had just enough time to scurry off to my dealer to get a one-day-only advance-peek at Indian's upcoming FTR 1200...and, man, it's a stunner (and, scarier-still, it's the comfiest Indian I've ever been astride): they had a rock-stock version, and a tricked-out version (the one I'm sitting on) with Akropovic slip-ons and lots of carbon-fiber bits. They will have trouble keeping up with demand for this little number
It's a nice looking bike. I see quite a lot of the new Honda CB1000R there, although Honda has chosen an angular design and a more agressive, street fighter stance.

....no flip-flops with the FTR's header pipes!
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amateriat wrote:
Had to scoot to the train to meet Le Wife in Gotham (art show opening, which she's a part of), but had just enough time to scurry off to my dealer to get a one-day-only advance-peek at Indian's upcoming FTR 1200...and, man, it's a stunner (and, scarier-still, it's the comfiest Indian I've ever been astride): they had a rock-stock version, and a tricked-out version (the one I'm sitting on) with Akropovic slip-ons and lots of carbon-fiber bits. They will have trouble keeping up with demand for this little number
It's a nice looking bike. I see quite a lot of the new Honda CB1000R there, although Honda has chosen an angular design and a more agressive, street fighter stance.

....no flip-flops with the FTR's header pipes!
Cut-offs not rec'd either!
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it's a stunner (and, scarier-still, it's the comfiest Indian I've ever been astride): they had a rock-stock version, and a tricked-out version (the one I'm sitting on) with Akropovic slip-ons and lots of carbon-fiber bits. They will have trouble keeping up with demand for this little number.
Strange choice of tires for a sport bike?
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amateriat wrote:
it's a stunner (and, scarier-still, it's the comfiest Indian I've ever been astride): they had a rock-stock version, and a tricked-out version (the one I'm sitting on) with Akropovic slip-ons and lots of carbon-fiber bits. They will have trouble keeping up with demand for this little number.
Strange choice of tires for a sport bike?
That's the retro part - nod towards flat track races...so a bit like a street bike for flat dirt
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waspmike wrote:
amateriat wrote:
it's a stunner (and, scarier-still, it's the comfiest Indian I've ever been astride): they had a rock-stock version, and a tricked-out version (the one I'm sitting on) with Akropovic slip-ons and lots of carbon-fiber bits. They will have trouble keeping up with demand for this little number.
Strange choice of tires for a sport bike?
That's the retro part - nod towards flat track races...so a bit like a street bike for flat dirt
...and out of interest: in Europe, it's the Australian originated speedway that dominated dirt ovals. Looks a bit similar, but is a completely different sport for riders and bikes: Speedway bikes are NOT allowed to have breaks and they have only 1 gear, and no rear suspension. Methanol is the only allowed fuel

There are still speedway races here and there, but the popularity has been going down.
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.. and of course, mainly Nordic countries and Russia have another oval sport: ice tracks. Those bikes are in principle motorcross/enduro bikes with studded tyres.
.. and of course, mainly Nordic countries and Russia have another oval sport: ice tracks. Those bikes are in principle motorcross/enduro bikes with studded tyres.
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http://www.francis-barnett.org/
Well they're certainly retro! I assume they're Chinese and then badged in Coventry. The fact that most of the models don't have a price or an engine size suggests that they exist only as a concept at the moment. I can understand people wanting a bike with "Indian" on the side even if it looks nothing like the originals but Francis Barnett???
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http://www.francis-barnett.org/
Well they're certainly retro! I assume they're Chinese and then badged in Coventry. The fact that most of the models don't have a price or an engine size suggests that they exist only as a concept at the moment. I can understand people wanting a bike with "Indian" on the side even if it looks nothing like the originals but Francis Barnett???
There's reference to Sinnis (engines), and they are partnered with Zongshen and Jinan Qinqgi.... both Chinese, but big players.

But yeah, truly retro. I quite like the electric bike too..
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I used to have a Sinnis Trackstar 125cc park next to me at a place I worked. It was a lovely looking thing and the guy who rode it, loved it even after 2 years of ownership. I think he said the engines were a straight copy of a Suzuki GS 125
engine. The Sinnis Trackstar cost about £1500 while this is quite a bit more than that.
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Also check out his MP3: http://www.randygrubb.com/decopod-tri-pod/

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The One Motorcycle Show took place in Portland, Oregon this past weekend. This is the tenth year of the event and there were 200 custom motorcycles on show.

I made a 5 minute video, picking out what I thought were the most interesting bikes. There was even Vespa P200 this year.

https://youtu.be/JXK9Dd1oA2Y
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Here you go -- not your run of the mill MP3:

http://www.randygrubb.com/decopod-tri-pod/

The tri-pods are...something in the territory of cool and/or scary. Can't decide which.

... but, the name immediately brought me back to these tri-pods... if any of you remember either the book or the "cult" movie... and TV-series...that followed.
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The One Motorcycle Show took place in Portland, Oregon this past weekend. This is the tenth year of the event and there were 200 custom motorcycles on show.

I made a 5 minute video, picking out what I thought were the most interesting bikes. There was even Vespa P200 this year.

https://youtu.be/JXK9Dd1oA2Y
Many nice ones, thanks for posting!
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The One Motorcycle Show took place in Portland, Oregon this past weekend. This is the tenth year of the event and there were 200 custom motorcycles on show.

I made a 5 minute video, picking out what I thought were the most interesting bikes. There was even Vespa P200 this year.

https://youtu.be/JXK9Dd1oA2Y
Thanks for posting, really sad that I didn't make it out there. Looks like it was a great show.
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