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I'm not sure of value but for the right price I'd be I interested.
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Pictures help..
Does it have all the hardware?
Windshield?
Axle?
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I see you give your location as Hawaii same as the sidecar?

Picture would really help, but at the least a brand name and condition is needed to give a value... I like others would be interested if I can hide it from she who must be obeyed.
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It's all there, but no windsheild. It has a vespa wheel, of which the fender flips up. Anyway, it is what I'm saying it is. It looks exactly like a vespa museum side car from the 50's
I guess it's a Vespa Brand Sidecar.

Got a picture for the forum, maybe loaded it, don't know?

Edit, it has Meyers wheel that I mistook for a vespa wheel.
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I'm in the Great Pacific Northwest as is the scoot, I sent in a photo, not seeing it.
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I'm in the Great Pacific Northwest as is the scoot, I sent in a photo, not seeing it.
When you click reply, down below the message box that you type in, is a "Filename" button. Note that the file will not upload if it exceeds sizes detailed in the little link "Allowed Extensions and Sizes" above the Filename heading. It is likely you will need to shrink your picture, as few phones or cameras are set to take pictures that small.
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I'm in the Great Pacific Northwest as is the scoot, I sent in a photo, not seeing it.
When you click reply, down below the message box that you type in, is a "Filename" button. Note that the file will not upload if it exceeds sizes detailed in the little link "Allowed Extensions and Sizes" above the Filename heading. It is likely you will need to shrink your picture, as few phones or cameras are set to take pictures that small.
Thanks, I've posted it here
http://eugene.craigslist.org/wan/5300936901.html

That's the bike as of yesterday, it's about a 1958 VB1 with original period sidecar, the unit was litterally a display in a resturant here in eugene for 50 years.
I guess it's lucky?? That I sold some of the parts I could have used to put this back together?? Anyway. Ya, I just got this yesterday from that little ad.
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RE: the unit was litterally a display in a resturant here in eugene for 50 years

It looks fairly rough for a display, looks like it's had real
use. Obviously still very desirable.




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RE: the unit was litterally a display in a resturant here in eugene for 50 years

It looks fairly rough for a display, looks like it's had real
use. Obviously still very desirable.




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It was a display kids could play on for 50 or so years.
I just pulled it out of storage yesterday, bike never saw the road afaik. No tank, harness, power plant, cables, grease, oil or fuel stains.
It looks like a bare body was used. Who knows? How hard is it to find a seat?
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Last try, resized photo. I'm not going to keep trying, I've got a scoot to work for.
I'll leave it posted on craigslisp for awhile.
Photo is there.
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It works! Thanks for the help!
It is unwashed, fender has been modified, never had foot strips, no holes from rivits, never had tail light, no polyester filler. Zero RUST.
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It looks like a VBA. More pics of the scooter side would help. Yes you can easily get a seat for it.

Value is very questionable based on location and other crap that's been discussed a million times here. In other words, its worth what someone will pay for it. Since it's a bare frame and sidecar $800 to $1k could be the range for this set-up. Definitely would take some cash to get rolling again.
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It looks like a VBA. More pics of the scooter side would help. Yes you can easily get a seat for it.

Value is very questionable based on location and other crap that's been discussed a million times here. In other words, its worth what someone will pay for it. Since it's a bare frame and sidecar $800 to $1k could be the range for this set-up. Definitely would take some cash to get rolling again.
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It's a VB1T with period piagio sidecar. Have a pint stranger, get your beer googles on!😜
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more pics will determine... remember a bodge 'piagio' sidecar is worth Scrap Metal Value, possibly a good trade for some Jousting Sticks.

not a great deal of chance you would get $7k+ for it, unless its been stored in a shed since new & never been fitted!
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Sidecar alone: $1,000-1,500 USD

Or post if for sale across the pond and deal with shipping.
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I want thank you guys for taking the time to post your opinions. I didn't want to reveal too much until I had it the bag. I've got thirty full years experience of fine restoration work. Look for the build thread coming up.
My plans are as follows, I'm going to be putting my Veloce engine in that VB1 and all the accessories and accoutrements needed to make it a daily rider with sidecar. I'm really liking the seat present, so would have to build a special fuel tank for it. Not sure what I'm going to do with wheel size yet. Probably start with 8" on all corners and ultimately upgrade to 10" for summer trips.
Keeping the 8" stuff for prosperity. I guess time will tell.
Note, when a bloke is asking value, sometimes it may be just a motivator to get off his arse and get a awesome score no matter how much extra work is required in day to day life. Again thanks very much.
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8" then 10" tires?
I would try to find VBA/VBB parts and keep it at least time period correct.
Find an original seat/gas tank.. I wouldn't Frankenscoot it.
It's going to be slow, but if you're doing in town rides, it'll be fun.
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8" then 10" tires?
I would try to find VBA/VBB parts and keep it at least time period correct.
Find an original seat/gas tank.. I wouldn't Frankenscoot it.
It's going to be slow, but if you're doing in town rides, it'll be fun.
That four speed is going to wind right up with 8", Ya!
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I believe you have a Meyers side car.
Here is a picture of my early Meyers sidecar attached to my '58 VNA1T
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I believe you have a Meyers side car.
Here is a picture of my early Meyers sidecar attached to my '58 VNA1T
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If that's what yours is, mine looks just like it, even the torsion suspension, but your rim is different than mine.
Thanks
Btw, I just opened the fuel door and the ID numbers show VB1T
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Yeah the PO installed a trailer rim, I'm currently in the process of adapting an 8in Vespa rim.
Here's an article on the sidecar.
http://scooterlounge.com/blog/2012/06/sidecar-geek-alert-2-versions-of-vintage-meyers-aircraft-sidecars-compared.html
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Yeah the PO installed a trailer rim, I'm currently in the process of adapting an 8in Vespa rim.
Here's an article on the sidecar.
http://scooterlounge.com/blog/2012/06/sidecar-geek-alert-2-versions-of-vintage-meyers-aircraft-sidecars-compared.html
Thanks, nice article. I've the flip fender.
The trailer wheel could be made to look Original.
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So an update on the resturant bodge I bought,
It has a GS head set, (4 speed) with GS speedo hole.
It's going to take some serious patience on my part to undo the tack welded body panels free. I cut the carb door open yesterday to reveal the ID numbers after 50 years. Next is the tool- glove box. Need a better dremel for that. Little resturant time capsule I'm thinking.
My intentions were to get a standard low mile scoot to just do some quick cheap repairs and ride to my now local TDI club events, but this thing requires time and $$$ for inmediate gratification.
Of which I spent all of my scoot funds to buy, and my Triumph Daytona funds are also depleted. My wife needs to get a job, so I can afford this habit.
ya, I'm a sick man.
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Here is a link to the folder of pictures I have of mine. If you ever need any specific pictures let me know. I had a hard time finding choke lever pictures when I was hooking mine up.
http://s179.photobucket.com/user/curtwarren2/library/Vespa%20and%20Allstate/1958%20VNA1T%20with%20Sidecar?sort=6&page=1
My body is a '58 the motor is a P200.
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Thanks, for the links, nice knowing what it actually is. The purchase and not knowing what kind o can worms I was getting into was a bit much at the time. Still not sure which route I'll be taking with this project. All I can afford for now is labor. No sense even thinking about it now, still burned up that I sold my crate of early vespa parts before my move. I had everything except for the "custom engine bracket" to put this thing together.
What did you use to put that P-200 in it? If someone has plans for that little wonder I could build it far cheaper than 140$ plus shipping. Out of steel of course.
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Mine was a an easy swap, same swingarm and shock mount. But the 10inch hub on the P200 had to be changed to an 8inch.
My Buddy Benny who knows these things much better then I. Said in order to install a P or Veloce motor in a VB1 you will need a swingarm adapter and you must cut the body for the carb.
Good luck with your project, I love driving mine!
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So, I've got engine cowl off and it's nice.
Dumped about three dollars in change out of the tool box cowl, along with crayons, menus from said burger restaurant and a decoder ring.
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So, I've got engine cowl off and it's nice.
Dumped about three dollars in change out of the tool box cowl, along with crayons, menus from said burger restaurant and a decoder ring.
Did you call American Pickers? You're sitting on a goldmine.
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Imagined?
Are there any pics of it?
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So, I've got engine cowl off and it's nice.
Dumped about three dollars in change out of the tool box cowl, along with crayons, menus from said burger restaurant and a decoder ring.
Did you call American Pickers? You're sitting on a goldmine.
I did call, Mike says the true value is in parting it all out and using the funds to build a period derby racer out of the sidecar body.
I guess those things fetch good coin.?
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Are there any pics of it?
I"lol post some more next data cycle.
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so, I guess this is going to slowly turn into a build thread,,
my first hurdle is finding a cheaper alternative to this,, http://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/tank+sip+for+vespa+125+vn2t_75207200
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Mine was a an easy swap, same swingarm and shock mount. But the 10inch hub on the P200 had to be changed to an 8inch.
My Buddy Benny who knows these things much better then I. Said in order to install a P or Veloce motor in a VB1 you will need a swingarm adapter and you must cut the body for the carb.
Good luck with your project, I love driving mine!
I really appreciate your links to your side car photos, mine mounts differently to the scooter. Next time I have it out ill shoot some pictures of it. I've collected a matching 8" wheel for the bike. Finding a cheap fuel tank appears to be a challenge. Do you have any pictures of the frame cuts? I'd love to see the cuts and make a template before I cut so I can give a gusset to it in the process. I want to try and make it look as original as possible.
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