Modern Vespa

Hello

I'm planning to spend 700-800 dollar.

And planning to install
-Cylinder set
-Carburattor and manifold
-Open air filter
-reinforced clucth
-sparg plug
-transmission

I would like to ask which brands and models are good for me?Best budget to performace (Top speed and acceleration for street use)

Thank you.

this is quite conflicting in that top speed and acceleration do not necessarily go hand in hand. especially in terms of street use.

that being said, i'd recommend a 22T clutch, 24/24 carb with a T5 air filter, port the intake and air box for match and flow. add a cast iron polini kit with some mild port work and matching on the case and round it all out with a BGM or SIP big box style pipe. if you have additional money you can cut & flow the crank as well for additional gains. however, it's not 100% necessary.

personally with that type of set up i'd opt for the grand sport piston and do the crank as well as lightening the flywheel a bit; but all that may be out of your budget.

figure on doing a lot of the work yourself at that price point, too.

however, that setup will net a decent in town bike that can tackle long range if necessary as well.

don't go hog wild on bling, spend some loot wisely and be prepared to get hands on and you can make it happen.

best,
-g

Forgot to say sip road 2 almost installed.

Thank your for your explanation but ı need quıck way to solve

Somebody (who experienced px modification) do it mod list and give me the links sip or vespatime.com please haha.

i basically spoon fed you the information that you were looking for and you want more?

awesome.

so, kick down james brown and i'll give you a recipe list and you can send me a check.

look, you're leaving out A LOT of information.

acceleration- what do you mean by that? you want 2nd & 3rd gear power wheelies or you want something quick?

top speed- what top speed are you looking for? 80mph? more?

budget to performance- do you mean bang for the buck? because that's not how a performance build works.

here's how a performance build works: you get your budget settled, choose a performance goal within said budget and then select components that work together as a system-- all of the various bits complimenting each other.

so, what are you actually looking to accomplish with this bike? because slapping on a kit and big ass carb sounds like the direction you want to go. and i'll tell you straight up that you'll be disappointed.

sit back. do some research. don't jump the gun. ask questions but don't expect to be spoon fed the answers when there are so many unknowns.

-g

Quattrini, CNC clutch & upgrade the springs on your primary, any cash left then Pinasco Flytech. But to be honest this topic is covered every second day or so.

Good to know which PX it's all about, too.

And yep, you're asking others to do your homework.

Nah, spend some more time on the net and make your own decisions so you won't have to blame someone else afterwards. Unless that's what you're after, of course.

Good luck!

Nitrous could be an option, best budget to performance ?
and instead of the shed on the back with a smaller engine a hamster house would probably do
george

+1

dont forget the carb slide
george

His profile says PX200

so it is

Sip do a tuning kit for the px200 well under your budget at £410

malossi 210 kit,exhaust,clutch etc

Thank you

Yes bike is px200 and already sip road 2 installed.

What do you think of this setup?

You'll need to dremel ports in your carter for that (or mostly any 200+) kit to work correctly: are you willing/able to do that?

Hi

Actually no planing to do that but if need ı can do.Could ypu pls give me some details?

Remove cotter pins to save weight.
Note: that was a joke. Do not do that.

http://www.sip-scootershop.com/en/products/racing+cylinder+malossi+mhr+_31155670
Right column: 'Download Information'

Or search this site and Google on Malossi installation...

IMHO: You better check a local shop to get this setup done for you, for you'll have to do quite a bit of homework if you were not aware cutting the carters was going to be part of the job - and homework is not your best asset, thus far.

Thank you

Am ı need to buy head also? Is ıt huge difference between head and w/o head?

what are cotter pins
george

the malossi 210 sport does not require matching the case. It's plug and play. You will get the most out of it if done - but he can bolt on.

Is it just bolt on and hope for the best or does he need to measure his ports,squish etc?

The Sport you can just bolt on and upjet. In fact my very first Malossi 210 back in 1988 I bolted on the same way. Then as I went on I tuned. Ported, matched cases, carb chamber etc. Like I said - of course ported and tuned you will get the most out of it.

Here is someone who bolted on a Sport
Installed a new malossi 210cc with their newest head


The Malossi website says for the Sport -

Art. 3115618
Cylinder kit Ø 68,5 aluminium CVF2 pin Ø 16: tourism use
This version offers a better performance compared to the previous one. It can be fit together with completely original or slightly modified crankcases, original carburettor or carburettor with 30mm diameter and Malossi Power Exhaust Art. 3213843.
SPORT cylinder Art. 3115619 can be fit with original head.


http://www.malossistore.us/en/products/ALUMIN-CYL-KIT-%C3%98-68-5-CVF2-pin-%C3%98-16-VESPA-200_3115618?M=293&MM=MO%2FVEPX200&FG=G.TER&Type=M

Thank you this is very helpful

If you want the cheapest way to more performance. The Malossi 210 Sport, upjet the 24mm carb and run either a chamber or BGM or SIP exhaust. Then an upgrade to the clutch would be a good idea.

Yes it sounds very good thank you for your quick help

This is what happens when someone ask this question, one person says bolt on, another says port the casings & the manufacturer says both, they would because you are buying there product.

If you buy the malossi kit, put the gasket on the face and see if it matches. If it doesn't match, why would you want to fit the barrel, to me this just doesn't make sense. The casings must be match to the barrel along with the rest of the porting, carb opening, exhaust port. It all has to be matched, otherwise you are wasting your time & money.

If you want my advice on carb, forget the Venturi kit, buy a manifold & Delortto PHBH 28mm carburettor, fit a CNC clutch and upgrade the springs on your Primary.

You can ask 10 guys with a P2 factory spec & each one will tell you it does this & that, & by the time you ask the 10th guy its now doing 85mph.

I get your point though, you don't want to waste money on a product thats a piece of shite, but if its fitted properly & RUN IN PROPERLY it will be a dream to ride. If you have never ported casings before, get someone who has & knows what they are doing, it will make all the difference. In the UK the tuning shops normally charge £50/60 an hour and it generally takes 2 hours.

most people here are getting confused with case porting or flowing and opening the cylinder ports compared to checking your port timings,overlaps,deck height,squish etc to fit your kit correctly

just fitting a base packer under the cylinder when you 'bolt' it on could gain you a few bhp,run better and save on wear and tear....if you know how to measure/check your ports,squish and timing

Guys sorry but ı didnt understand what you explain the porting

We have alot of porting shop in istanbul.If you send me the picture's, which parts should port, ı can do it

You mean Constantinople.

This is the old version of the Malossi 210.
With the old version and the new Sport its not mandatory to match the cases. But you will get the most out of it if you do. The Sport they made adjustments to it so its more of a plug and play. You will probably still want to check the squish and of course adjust timing. You wont have to worry about modifications to the original head as it comes with one.

Here is an install guide
http://www.scooterhelp.com/tuning/vespa.malossi210.install.html

here is matching the cases
http://www.scooterhelp.com/tuning/vespa.malossi210.porting.html

and of course these kits are designed for tuners to make huge improvements porting the cylinder.

Haha yes