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Any (serious) rumors that Vespa will put the 350 mill from the BV in the GTS in upcoming models ?.
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Re: 2017 GTS 300 or 350cc ?.
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Any (serious) rumors that Vespa will put the 350 mill from the BV in the GTS in upcoming models ?.
No, actually the blog Scooterfile posted not long ago they'd heard the GTS will never have the Bev engine.
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It's never going to happen people need to move on, people have been talking about the same thing for years now

The idea of having the Bev350 lump or any other bigger lump in the GTS is a nice idea but as it stands the GTS300 is a great all round
machine which sells by the bucket load so piaggio no doubt just see that side of things.

Don't get me wrong i'd myself love a bigger lump but I cant see it ever going to happen as if it was going to happen it would have happened by now.
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I'm sure that eventually there'll be a GTS with an equivalent <300cc motor and transmission as the BV. Not just yet methinks. 2017? Possibly.
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Any (serious) rumors that Vespa will put the 350 mill from the BV in the GTS in upcoming models ?.
No
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When you compare the horsepower to capacity ratio of the BV and the GTS, 350cc with 32 hp and 300 cc with 22 hp, you see that there is much room for improvement in the GTS engine without increasing the capacity.

So the GTS doesn't need a larger displacement, just a more efficient engine.

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And...
Piaggio needs to sell a 2016-7 DRAGON RED GTS 300 in the North American market.
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The market for the GTS isn't performance or fuel economy driven, so until the present engine has trouble meeting emission standards in Europe, there probably isn't much impetus on the part of Piaggio to fix something that they don't think is broken.
What's surprising is that they haven't put the 350 in an MP3 yet.
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Kawzak, yes there will a considerable change to the GTS engine in the next 12 months or so. What the changes are we will have to wait and see but it will almost certainly involve a bigger engine, and it will probably produce more power.

The reason for this is due to new EU legislation coming into force on 1st January 2016. The main piece of this relates to emissions control for bike engines. Currently, bikes only have to meet Euro 3 regulations. This changes to Euro 4 from 1st January 2016, for completely new bikes being released. It's pretty tough stuff too and I'm sure the current 278cc engine won't meet it without huge performance loss. However, existing models coming off the production line of the GTS won't have to comply until 1st Jan 2017. To maintain sales of the GTS it was important for Vespa/Piaggio to release the current new updated model which gives it a 3 year life span before being replaced by the new engined version. It may of course be released before the full 3 years is up. So next summer we could see the new model being wheeled out or get more information about it. It's not just Vespa's engines of course that will need a good going over, but all bikes.

Here's more information about the legislation:

http://www.bennetts.co.uk/bikesocial/news-and-views/news/2012/2015/august/interpreting-the-new-motorbike-legislation---what-does-it-mean-for-you/
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I don't see the point in putting a more powerful engine in the GTS. What for?
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I don't see the point in putting a more powerful engine in the GTS. What for?
To go faster, or the same speeds more easily.
Anyway, it won't happen. The GTS will never get more power.

The GTS's long overdue replacement, whenever that might arrive, probably will.
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I doubt a re-worked engine for the GTS would have much more power than the current model unless the frame was significantly stiffened and even more work was done to the front suspension.
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More Models for the USA
Stromrider,

Thanks for that referenced article on changes that will
be mandated in Europe. There are many models that are
not available in the USA due to (a) much smaller two wheeled
market place, and (b) tougher emission standards.

Would you predict that more models would be available in the
USA due to the changes?

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Bob, I suspect in the future you will get more new models of just about every new bike that is Euro 4 compliant.

Micheal B. The reason the GTS, like many other engines in other makes of bike will need to be a bit bigger and more powerful, is to make it easier to comply with the new Euro 4 emission standards. There are some other reasons also which I mention below and a lot that I don't mention.

Euro 4 if applied to a Euro 3 engine will stifle performance somewhat lowering power outputs. It will affect economy too and ride-ability. The changes needed to comply with Euro 4 are substantial. So to get that power back, the engines need to be more advanced and a little bit bigger. But, they will be more economical and much much cleaner than their Euro 3 counterparts. Engines will last longer too. As an ex-engine designer, this was my very field. I specialised in electronic engine management, and induction and exhaust management. This included piston, cylinder, cylinder head, cams and valve design. It's was a vast area. Vespa/Piaggio will take the opportunity to produce an engine with a bit more power to keep the GTS where is should be. It will probably be producing around 24ps and 25nm of torque. Just enough to give a true 85mph on the flat and general performance boost alround. Remember, bikes and cars continually improve, advance and go faster and further as time goes by. In addition, the fuels we all use are changing more and more meaning lower power outputs (but cleaner emissions). This again can be countered to a point, by the use of slightly bigger engines (for normally aspirated units) and more flexible engine designs that cater for different fuels and allow the performance to be liberated more easily.

Kymco and Sym are already doing it with the Downtown 300cc engines which are now 320cc, and Sym GTS 300's, up from 264cc to 278cc. Increasing the engine sizes, increasing torque but keeping power output only slightly more than the previous engine unit. This makes them faster. This is all to comply with Euro 4 which comes in next month. All manufacturers are going the same way. Triumph Bonnevilles for example are another example of how the bike needed to be upgraded with a completely new engine. Gone are the air cooled motors, and in has gone the two new liquid cooled units with bigger engine capacities to cope with Euro 4. Yet they remain very economical and very very clean engines compared to the old units.

Concerning the GTS. I'd not be surprised to see a completely new engine to supersede the Quasar, by-passing the Bev 330cc unit, which will also probably be expanded to a full 350cc to aid compliance with Euro 4. But the GTS engine will probably only be a 299cc unit with a slightly longer transmission option to increase the wheelbase by about 20mm to assist higher speed stability, but not detract from the bikes easy manoeuvrability. It won't add much to the weight of the bike either. It will have an alloy cylinder (as opposed to the current cast iron unit) to avoid gaining too much weight.

The current Vespa GTS300 engine is near it's maximum crankcase stress limit and has reached it's maximum bore size. So doing the above is really the only option, I'm suggesting. Very interesting subject.
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Looks like Europe is getting evaporative canisters too.
The 20000 KM test is particularly daunting, especially for small displacement bikes.
How is this going to impact the 50cc market? Will it mean the end of the two stroke in Europe?
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Eu brings out Euro 4 for motorcycles...

And then there's me proudly running an Akrapovic without a CAT or baffle not giving a monkeys about the climate.

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Mmm, this tickles the taste buds.

These new emissions could very well lead us to a whole new line up of scoots and the final farewell of the px.

Wondering if the newer 3v engines comply?
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Bob, I suspect in the future you will get more new models of just about every new bike that is Euro 4 compliant.

Micheal B. The reason the GTS, like many other engines in other makes of bike will need to be a bit bigger and more powerful, is to make it easier to comply with the new Euro 4 emission standards. There are some other reasons also which I mention below and a lot that I don't mention.

Euro 4 if applied to a Euro 3 engine will stifle performance somewhat lowering power outputs. It will affect economy too and ride-ability. The changes needed to comply with Euro 4 are substantial. So to get that power back, the engines need to be more advanced and a little bit bigger. But, they will be more economical and much much cleaner than their Euro 3 counterparts. Engines will last longer too. As an ex-engine designer, this was my very field. I specialised in electronic engine management, and induction and exhaust management. This included piston, cylinder, cylinder head, cams and valve design. It's was a vast area. Vespa/Piaggio will take the opportunity to produce an engine with a bit more power to keep the GTS where is should be. It will probably be producing around 24ps and 25nm of torque. Just enough to give a true 85mph on the flat and general performance boost alround. Remember, bikes and cars continually improve, advance and go faster and further as time goes by. In addition, the fuels we all use are changing more and more meaning lower power outputs (but cleaner emissions). This again can be countered to a point, by the use of slightly bigger engines (for normally aspirated units) and more flexible engine designs that cater for different fuels and allow the performance to be liberated more easily.

Kymco and Sym are already doing it with the Downtown 300cc engines which are now 320cc, and Sym GTS 300's, up from 264cc to 278cc. Increasing the engine sizes, increasing torque but keeping power output only slightly more than the previous engine unit. This makes them faster. This is all to comply with Euro 4 which comes in next month. All manufacturers are going the same way. Triumph Bonnevilles for example are another example of how the bike needed to be upgraded with a completely new engine. Gone are the air cooled motors, and in has gone the two new liquid cooled units with bigger engine capacities to cope with Euro 4. Yet they remain very economical and very very clean engines compared to the old units.

Concerning the GTS. I'd not be surprised to see a completely new engine to supersede the Quasar, by-passing the Bev 330cc unit, which will also probably be expanded to a full 350cc to aid compliance with Euro 4. But the GTS engine will probably only be a 299cc unit with a slightly longer transmission option to increase the wheelbase by about 20mm to assist higher speed stability, but not detract from the bikes easy manoeuvrability. It won't add much to the weight of the bike either. It will have an alloy cylinder (as opposed to the current cast iron unit) to avoid gaining too much weight.

The current Vespa GTS300 engine is near it's maximum crankcase stress limit and has reached it's maximum bore size. So doing the above is really the only option, I'm suggesting. Very interesting subject.
Thanks for this. It's about the most plausible explanation I've read on the matter thus far.
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Bob, I suspect in the future you will get more new models of just about every new bike that is Euro 4 compliant.

Micheal B. The reason the GTS, like many other engines in other makes of bike will need to be a bit bigger and more powerful, is to make it easier to comply with the new Euro 4 emission standards. There are some other reasons also which I mention below and a lot that I don't mention.

Euro 4 if applied to a Euro 3 engine will stifle performance somewhat lowering power outputs. It will affect economy too and ride-ability. The changes needed to comply with Euro 4 are substantial. So to get that power back, the engines need to be more advanced and a little bit bigger. But, they will be more economical and much much cleaner than their Euro 3 counterparts. Engines will last longer too. As an ex-engine designer, this was my very field. I specialised in electronic engine management, and induction and exhaust management. This included piston, cylinder, cylinder head, cams and valve design. It's was a vast area. Vespa/Piaggio will take the opportunity to produce an engine with a bit more power to keep the GTS where is should be. It will probably be producing around 24ps and 25nm of torque. Just enough to give a true 85mph on the flat and general performance boost alround. Remember, bikes and cars continually improve, advance and go faster and further as time goes by. In addition, the fuels we all use are changing more and more meaning lower power outputs (but cleaner emissions). This again can be countered to a point, by the use of slightly bigger engines (for normally aspirated units) and more flexible engine designs that cater for different fuels and allow the performance to be liberated more easily.

Kymco and Sym are already doing it with the Downtown 300cc engines which are now 320cc, and Sym GTS 300's, up from 264cc to 278cc. Increasing the engine sizes, increasing torque but keeping power output only slightly more than the previous engine unit. This makes them faster. This is all to comply with Euro 4 which comes in next month. All manufacturers are going the same way. Triumph Bonnevilles for example are another example of how the bike needed to be upgraded with a completely new engine. Gone are the air cooled motors, and in has gone the two new liquid cooled units with bigger engine capacities to cope with Euro 4. Yet they remain very economical and very very clean engines compared to the old units.

Concerning the GTS. I'd not be surprised to see a completely new engine to supersede the Quasar, by-passing the Bev 330cc unit, which will also probably be expanded to a full 350cc to aid compliance with Euro 4. But the GTS engine will probably only be a 299cc unit with a slightly longer transmission option to increase the wheelbase by about 20mm to assist higher speed stability, but not detract from the bikes easy manoeuvrability. It won't add much to the weight of the bike either. It will have an alloy cylinder (as opposed to the current cast iron unit) to avoid gaining too much weight.

The current Vespa GTS300 engine is near it's maximum crankcase stress limit and has reached it's maximum bore size. So doing the above is really the only option, I'm suggesting. Very interesting subject.
Brilliant. Thank you.
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Re: And...
Clinteastwood wrote:
Piaggio needs to sell a 2016-7 DRAGON RED GTS 300 in the North American market.
YES!
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Just had this topic pop up (again...again) on one of the FB forums, to which I commented there probably won't be a 350 motor in the GTS for all the good reasons Stormrider pointed out. A guy I know agreed with me, saying 'there will not be a new GTS350 at all, only a new revised 300cc motor for the GTS. I work for Piaggio Austria and usually know what is for release as I'm always hassling our marketing/sales department for info!'

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I did read that vespa will have a 350 engine not using the Beverly engine but redesigning a smaller housing to fit into the existing frame very possible example fiat 500 1400cc that is the same platform for the alfa 4c capable of 0 to 60 in five seconds gotta love what the Italians do with small engines one word abarth
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I did read that vespa will have a 350 engine not using the Beverly engine but redesigning a smaller housing to fit into the existing frame very possible example fiat 500 1400cc that is the same platform for the alfa 4c capable of 0 to 60 in five seconds gotta love what the Italians do with small engines one word abarth
Think that's what Stormrider said in the fifth paragraph of his helpful post above
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Anything new on this subject?
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A Vespa is a scooter Ideal for commuting and some long haul trips. The Vespa will never be much quicker than it is now. If you want more speed buy a Larger cc motorcyle or a BV350 type machine. Has stated in an earlier post it would take major work to the frame, suspension and engine. Why would Piaggio spend vast amounts of money when they have a machine which does this? Just enjoy the GTS its a great "SCOOTER"
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Not to mention that the BV350 has ~33HP and the GTS/GTV 300 has ~22HP. The large increase in power would require a complete rethink of the Vespa to use ~50% more power. Heavier. Will 12" wheels work with the increased performance? Etc.
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Not to mention that the BV350 has ~33HP and the GTS/GTV 300 has ~22HP. The large increase in power would require a complete rethink of the Vespa to use ~50% more power. Heavier. Will 12" wheels work with the increased performance? Etc.
Exactly. A scooter with the suspension, frame rigidity, weight, wheel base, braking, etc to handle that kind of a power increase would not be much like a GTS. Those who want a maxi-scooter should go for a maxi-scooter. The rest of us will continue to enjoy the GTS.
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I'm just wondering what if anything will be changed on the 2017. Even if the engine is the same size maybe it will have slightly better engine.
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The 2017 will be Euro 4 compliant this side of the pond, it has to be by law. That means if they keep the current engine until the new engine is ready then it may be a bit different to ride due to the compliance rules. We'll just have to wait I guess as there are so many things Vespa may do. Will the new bike and engine come out this year in the fall, or will it be later next year? Just not sure as there is almost no info out there! Just speculation. It's the top selling scooter here in the UK so Vespa won't want to upset that.
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The 2017 will be Euro 4 compliant this side of the pond, it has to be by law.
True, but as we speak our Brexit team is working on returning to "British Standards" like the good old Titanic for example.
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I don't see the point in putting a more powerful engine in the GTS. What for?
That has been said all the way from 1946. With modern technology eg disk brakes, improvement in tyre technology, ABS, traction control and monocoque construction I believe the BHP of a Vespa will continue beyond 22. When I was young the idea of a 1300cc Motorcycle would have been insane. Now paramedics use them as standard in the UK. So keep an open mind. The thought of a gts performance back in `71 when I had a state of the art GP200 @ 12BHP, would have let to some saying that would be unsafe. They would have been wrong. So chill.
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Stromrider wrote:
The 2017 will be Euro 4 compliant this side of the pond, it has to be by law.
True, but as we speak our Brexit team is working on returning to "British Standards" like the good old Titanic for example.
Looking forward to all future British products using Lucas electronics.
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Stromrider wrote:
The 2017 will be Euro 4 compliant this side of the pond, it has to be by law. That means if they keep the current engine until the new engine is ready then it may be a bit different to ride due to the compliance rules. We'll just have to wait I guess as there are so many things Vespa may do. Will the new bike and engine come out this year in the fall, or will it be later next year? Just not sure as there is almost no info out there! Just speculation. It's the top selling scooter here in the UK so Vespa won't want to upset that.
As you are saying - Piaggio have to do changes to the engine to comply with EURO4. I am thinking of buying a GTS as a second bike but don't dare before the changes for 2017 will be. Could be just that the are making the muffler bigger and some other no-big-deal-tweaks but could also be bigger changes. Maybe Piaggio is hiding some kind of surprise really well. I know what Scooterfiles wrote, but don't remember the sources (if there were any?). Any other information we can base any kind of guess on?
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