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We have a big one out here. It serves four roads. It's huge and i go like a bat out of hell around it. Laughing emoticon

Most times i going to the last exit so i take the inside slot and go for it. key thing is to own a spot and don't stop where it says yeild (if you don't have to). There's a really small one near Honolulu and that one slows ME down to about 5mph because it's so small. I hate to take a Hummer thru it. Very dangerous IMHO. I've seen Bigger cars,trucks etc go on the curb to get around it. I think they did it on purpose to slow traffic down. After the roundabout it's a straight shot thru a residential neighborhood. If it wasn't there people would speed. They were talking about putting some in in my beloved Haliewa town. We shot that down in a nano second. NY (around Albany) has a million of them. Supposed to save on gas and ease traffic. A real PIA if you ask me.

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I have a pet theory that the roundabout construction cartel brought down the Spanish economy -- freakin' things are every ten meters!

Swear to gawd, out in the middle of nowhere on a rural highway, some dirt-track farm road enters...can't give them a simple stop sign while highway traffic continues unabated, oh no no! Roundabout! wtf?

Having said that, there's all of one in town, on my rural Vespa route, and I have been known to go around around around it more than necessary. Laughing emoticon

Also, well marked ones (France, Spain...) make lots of sense for out of towners: you can keep going around until you read the right exit.

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using the inner lane for straight is a bad idea as if the car in the left is going straight you cut it up on the exit

I'm not sure which car you mean. If we use your diagram then I'd be the blue car entering the roundabout. The little green car entering alongside wouldn't be there because I said I'd only do this "if I have a choice of lanes" ie if both lanes were free. The little blue car just passing the first exit would be passed immediately I move to the inner lane. Because I'm travelling in almost a straight line to my exit I'd be travelling a lot quicker than the vehicle going round the outside. My exit in that particular picture would be the outer lane of the exit because there's already another blue car in the inner lane. I'd be signalling I'm exiting as I pass the first exit which would allow the little white car to move ahead. If the little blue car leaving the picture on the left wasn't there then yes I'd take the inner lane as the exit but I'd be well past any cars already on the roundabout. If the blue car passing the first exit was further ahead then I probably slow down just take sure he didn't suddenly change his mind about exiting and drive across my path.
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Any thing that causes confusion for drivers is not a good thing.

Agreed. It's not necessarily about badly trained drivers. It's just that, unless you're used to roundabouts, they can be confusing. Let's face it, how many drivers are going to go online and view instructions or a 10 minute video explanation (on how simple they are) of roundabouts on the off-chance that they might come across one.

Just follow the signs...as in...

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That's rather true of any road never traveled. If you're in a new place, pay attention.

I don't think that's a valid comparison. I can drive/ride all around the nation with little problem by following the signs. But the rules about how to behave and proceed through an intersection are, for the most part, very consistent and have been so for a long time.

I'd liken it to coming across a road construction restriction. Yes, you can (and had better) follow the signs, but if the signs are routing you in unconventional ways, it's still gonna cause problems.

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using the inner lane for straight is a bad idea as if the car in the left is going straight you cut it up on the exit

Is the car in the outside lane required to turn at the first exit or can it stay in the outside lane until it gets to the 3rd exit? The only multi lane roundabouts I've been on you are supposed to merge to the outside lane before exiting. The inside lane has arrows indicating it is not for use to approaching the exit. The outside lane has arrows which give you the option of turning at the next exit or continuing around the roundabout.

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Is the car in the outside lane required to turn at the first exit or can it stay in the outside lane until it gets to the 3rd exit?

If it's in the outside lane then most drivers will expect it to turn at the first exit though some drivers will continue on to the second exit. A small percentage will then realise at this point that they don't want that exit and just continue round the roundabout, usually still with their indicators still flashing and usually to a chorus of car horns. I don't overtake vehicles in this position for just this reason, I time it so they're fully committed before going past.

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This is the biggest intersection on Sanibel Island (SW Florida). It is right where the causeway comes onto the island and everybody has to go through it several times a day. In the summer the island has a population of 6,000. In the winter, high season, the population is 30,000. That extra 24,000 is from all over the US and the world, and none of them are conversant in any known traffic laws or customs. Now it is a four way stop, and badly needs fixing. Now during heavy traffic periods there are traffic director officers standing there to wave you through; some are OK, some don't have a clue. Traffic lights are against the law on the island (as are street lights, etc, it's very dark after the sun sets). What you can't see very well is the network of bike/pedestrian paths woven through that mess.

It is being promoted to build a traffic circle here. The land values here are astronomical so they won't build it big enough. The users will fail in all possible ways. There will be little or no light at night. And it won't be big enough for the large trucks that regularly use the intersection to make the circle.

It's going to be a gigantic cluster f***!

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(Well hell, it didn't work. Fried Okra and Terry Van Man have seen it and know what a mess it is.)

Is this your intersection?

Yeah, that's the one, thanks. You can see one of our glove wavers in the middle. Sometimes they will will wave you forward into a left turn while standing right where you need to drive. You'd think we would lose more than we do.

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No one directs traffic in Baton Rouge. About two weeks ago there was a line down in the road and a state police car in the intersection under a non working traffic light. My daughter and I were trying to exit a side street and people kept running through the intersection as if they had a green light. The rule is a non working traffic signal is a stop sign. We couldn't buy an opening but the SP just sat there watching. I finally just got out and walked into the intersection with my hands out and stopped the clueless drivers. I was pissed. I called state police troop headquarters and complained but I doubt they bothered to call and get the trooper off his butt. That is typical in this parish. They think stopping their cruisers and turning on the lights is traffic control. The hapless drivers have to fend for themselves.

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trespassersw Enthusiast Piaggio BV 350 Joined: UTC Posts: 94	UTC quote One of the things I love about London is that they simply painted a circle in what would normally be an intersection, and Presto! It's a roundabout! And this one is the most fun, southwest of London. I've actually been on it, but thank God, not driving: In Massachusetts, where I lived for some time, the right of way went to those ENTERING the roundabout. Fun at rush hour!

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Not exactly commonplace, but they're here and there throughout New England. The Greater Boston area has its fair share. We call them rotaries.

I like them, and would like to see more.

The magic roundabout explained below. I know some find it perilous, but in theory it should work just fine. Have any of you been through Swindon?

Yep, I've been through that a few times, and the one in Hemel Hempstead. It's no problem at all, and you can actually go clockwise or anticlockwise around the junction as a whole depending on whether you take the inner or outer route.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Roundabout_(Swindon)

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In Massachusetts, where I lived for some time, the right of way went to those ENTERING the roundabout. Fun at rush hour!

So you're the one! Laughing emoticon

Are you sure about that? Having learned to drive there in the 70s, the one IN the rotary had right of way, and that's still the rule. Living and working just north of Boston in the 80s and 90s, I frequented rotaries in Revere to Logan and East Boston, Cambridge heading out toward Belmont/Arlington, and the Concord rotary by the prison, with plenty of others here and there.

There's definitely a knack to them.

Someone mentioned the French ones earlier. When I was driving through Brittany with my wife, we often made two or three circuits before deciding where to turn out. It didn't help that signs were in Breton and French. Too much reading in a short time. At least each language was a different font, and that helped us, a little, focus on the French.

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andyscooter Molto Verboso Vespa gt200 Joined: UTC Posts: 1713 Location: United Kingdom	UTC quote Benelli Boy wrote: Skunkhome wrote: Problem with that strategy is that you are turning left out of the right lane. In my neck of the woods such a maneuver would be considered "illegal lane usage". And over here, where we have roundabouts, it's generally an acceptable and legal strategy. not really you would fail a driving test doing it unless you where going onto a dual carriage way

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When a roundabout has two lanes it inevitable that any vehicle on the lane nearest the centre will eventually change lanes in order to exit from the roundabout. This is something that all road users need to be vigilant about. Signalling is of some help but the big differences in the size of vehicles and the lack of all round visibility means that other drivers may not have seen you or your indicators. In addition many HGVs cannot possibly negotiate roundabouts using only one lane so you never want to be alongside unless you are certain that you can get ahead almost immediately.

Still they are a much better way of maintaining traffic flow than lights. It is usually safer to maintain the same speed as other vehicles when actually on the roundabout even though we all like to use our greater manoeuvrability to get ahead.

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andyscooter wrote:

Benelli Boy wrote:

Skunkhome wrote:

Problem with that strategy is that you are turning left out of the right lane. In my neck of the woods such a maneuver would be considered "illegal lane usage".

And over here, where we have roundabouts, it's generally an acceptable and legal strategy.

not really

you would fail a driving test doing it unless you where going onto a dual carriage way

Don't know that you necessarily would. Probably very likely to fail if there was other traffic on your outside and it was a single carriageway exit, but not (as was the original point raised) if there wasn't traffic outside you, and you signalled correctly for the exit and didn't impede any other traffic.

Arrows at junctions and on roundabouts are advisory, not mandatory.

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Robin, do you have an aerial view of what that thing is controlling?

It's a sculpture that used to be in the docklands business area. All the lights work and come on at random times. When it was first installed cars would just freeze on the entrance to the roundabout - you could sense the driver going WTF?? and it always made me laugh. It would be interesting to know how many accidents were caused by it.

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you would fail a driving test doing it unless you where going onto a dual carriage way

I don't know about on a driving test, it's quite some time since I did mine. I'm pretty sure if you were on an advanced test then they'd question you why you took the outer lane when it exposes you to more turns that are also sharper turns and on a worse surface. You've also got more risk of cars pulling out in front of you from that 1st exit. And finally it's a slower route to take. I'm not saying that taking the outer lane is wrong, it's not, but if you're the type of rider that likes to overtake then roundabouts are an excellent place to make a bit of progress. YMMV

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Here in Colorado we have several and more coming everyday. One put in a couple of years ago was claimed to "slow down" traffic as it went in on a secondary side street but was at a grade school that ppl were flying by so it seems to be able to serve 2 purposes depending on the need. I love'm and they don't bother me at all to use but many here do treat them as a 4 way stop. And if there are multi lanes, wow, a lot of ppl will avoid them completely and about as many should. The motorcycle community here see them as a challenge, they play the ricky racer game and have known a few that have lost. I do think they are a great idea for keeping traffic moving.

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Dr Zoidberg wrote:

EN82pg wrote:

robinm wrote:

Sometimes it helps when they add traffic lights, sometimes it doesn't...
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traffic light tree in the docklands

Robin, do you have an aerial view of what that thing is controlling?

It's not actually controlling anything.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_Light_Tree

Well, thank goodness. We do have at last one multi lane intersection that the lights are not lined up over the lanes they are supposed to be controlling. I am always on the alert to being run out of my lane by someone taking cue from the wrong light.

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you would fail a driving test doing it unless you where going onto a dual carriage way

I overtake quite a bit but the one place I wouldn't is on a roundabout

people changing lanes without thinking as they miss the turn they want or realise the are in the wrong lane

the picture I used is a bit awkward as it had two lanes coming off the second turn so in theory you could use that middle lane but if it was a single road coming off you wouldn't get away with it as you would cut traffic up

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I overtake quite a bit but the one place I wouldn't is on a roundabout

It would be boring if we were all the same but I personally find it's quite safe overtaking at this point because I'm travelling in pretty much a straight line which means I can go faster (and stop quicker if I need to). They're also taking a longer route and tend to be bunched together which means they're easy pickings.

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people changing lanes without thinking as they miss the turn they want or realise the are in the wrong lane

I already mentioned that I don't overtake folk at the exit points unless they're fully committed to the exit. In any overtake you need to be aware what a driver may or may not do.

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the picture I used is a bit awkward as it had two lanes coming off the second turn so in theory you could use that middle lane but if it was a single road coming off you wouldn't get away with it as you would cut traffic up

I overtake vehicles on normal single lane roads so what's the difference overtaking on a single lane exit? they're usually travelling slowly and the cars tend to be bunched up which makes overtaking a bunch of vehicles at once very simple. I certainly don't need to cut them up as I'd just stay out there outside the traffic in one long overtake.

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