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Kit of dreams... definitely in the top 3 dream cylinders.

Port layout looks great.

Surprised he didnt go for a 30mm carb and the barone exhaust that matches...

Wonder what the thinking behind that was.

And paper gasket looks on the thin side… I'd expect a aluminium gasket in there…
No idea what or why any of this. I'm just the installer. Maybe the emails weren't translated correctly? I was expecting the Barone exhaust too and was surprised with the Polini box.
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Very nice MJ - are you doing just the engine, or any other mechanical, and/or body work?
Nothing too interesting. Just the basic rust-oration and engine install. I'll tidy things up as I go and swap hubs with a new Hot Rod Al design.
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As a a touring kit for under a grand (plus the machining work) I'm guessing it's not to bad. I would welcome a kit that is more designed for torque than speed. But the thin area on the cylinder looks to me like it would maybe need to be built up? Hence the suggestion for using aftermarket cases?
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As a a touring kit for under a grand (plus the machining work) I'm guessing it's not to bad. I would welcome a kit that is more designed for torque than speed.
VMC244 is exactly that. Wide, relatively flat power band for Torque. Torque. Torque.

I still want to get one to try it out. Probably after I finish up the Smallstate.
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Good man, C. Which machine would you install it on? Or would you be picking a P200 for the build?
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Good man, C. Which machine would you install it on? Or would you be picking a P200 for the build?
I'd swap it with the Malossi 210 that's in my Sprint, probably throw a 60mm crank in the pile so I could play with port timings better.

If I decide I want something with a P frame, I'll pull my motor-less Stella out of mothballs and get it back on the road.
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I'd swap it with the Malossi 210 that's in my Sprint, probably throw a 60mm crank in the pile so I could play with port timings better.

If I decide I want something with a P frame, I'll pull my motor-less Stella out of mothballs and get it back on the road.
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No idea what or why any of this. I'm just the installer. Maybe the emails weren't translated correctly? I was expecting the Barone exhaust too and was surprised with the Polini box.
No worries, seems a bit of a funny one…

Mirroring CM's thoughts… probably would've looked at a vmc…

Wonder if the Polini will have overheating problems… the 3 exhaust ports are significant on the Barone.
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Was wondering where Greasy was…

Apparently he's traveling in the far east:

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I don't know about you, but I hate it when I get pulled over just for wearing a giant frog costume while riding in traffic. I'm always like, "Riding while amphibian is not a crime, bro!"

Which reminds me...Friday, we got a break in the rain, snow, ice, more rain, and just generally crappy weather, with sun and 60's. I pulled the Sprint out to run errands. Bike hadn't run for at least a month. Fuel on. Choke on. Kicked it twice, nothing. Realized I had the ignition turned off, turned it on, kicked it again and it started on that third kick and ran like I'd just parked it.

Something so satisfying about a bike that starts like that, especially when you don't really expect it to.
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Something so satisfying about a bike that starts like that, especially when you don't really expect it to.
That's great…

I remember I parked the malossi 221 px for 2 months, started 1st kick… it's good to get reliability.

Granted the weather was pretty much the same during that period…

Unfortunately that was the first calling for me to sell it.
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Something so satisfying about a bike that starts like that, especially when you don't really expect it to.
And more so when it gets you back home. Razz emoticon
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And more so when it gets you back home. Razz emoticon
Definitely an added bonus.

The Sprint is maybe my slowest bike, despite the 210, but it just runs and runs. The CHT never got above 190, not that I was really able to thrash it that much on surface streets, but it was good just to be on two wheels.
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Finally, the time has come!!! Last day of the 2019 Yaris HSD. Getting the new one in the morning…
Are you going to keep the freshly re-covered steering wheel? Razz emoticon
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I've been working on getting a Arizona bonded title for quarter-century old Taiwanese scooter that was titled in a different state, but never registered.

Made several calls and e-mails to the originating state with no response. Sent a letter in requesting guidance, but never got a response.

Went through a bunch of grief to get ze appropriate paperz for the original state in order to request records data for my bond application. Read the form carefully, followed the instructions, got a postal money order and sent it all with delivery confirmation and a signature required.

Two weeks later, I got a form letter back, stating that I failed to include information not specified in the instructions or in any form field.

Trying again tomorrow. Bureaucracies stink.
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Was wondering where Greasy was…

Apparently he's traveling in the far east:

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I'm back now. there was almost a real Midnight Express moment there, but I had those sweet moves in my back pocket....
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Installed American style headlight trim on my 180 Rally. Also noticed an anomaly on the motor side cowl. Don't know what it was for, I don't think it's original.
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Installed American style headlight trim on my 180 Rally. Also noticed an anomaly on the motor side cowl. Don't know what it was for, I don't think it's original.
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Yes, those are very original and very sought after!
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Barone 230 motor is being a pain. Malossi cases are missing everything and the thread chasing is shit!

Why I don't know, but I pressure tested the motor and found an air leak at the reed block. No sealer on anything. Waiting for the owners approval to goop everything!
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Got the ok. Here we goop!
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release the schmoo!
They gooped the cases and did the exhaust manifold, but skipped the reed block and cylinder base? Am I missing something or did our Italian builder just say fuck it?
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They gooped the cases and did the exhaust manifold, but skipped the reed block and cylinder base? Am I missing something or did our Italian builder just say fuck it?
finished the bottle of red and had to run out for another and just forgot?
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Barone 230 motor is being a pain. Malossi cases are missing everything and the thread chasing is shit!

Why I don't know, but I pressure tested the motor and found an air leak at the reed block. No sealer on anything. Waiting for the owners approval to goop everything!
I don't think the owner has much choice.
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I don't think the owner has much choice.
He has a choice. He can say "no," then once it seizes from the air leak, he can say "yes" when MJ installs the replacment top end.
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He has a choice. He can say "no," then once it seizes from the air leak, he can say "yes" when MJ installs the replacment top end.
I don't think he'll be replacing that one… lol
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Thankfully the owner was prompt and gave me the thumbs up. Spent the rest of the night fighting the Malossi cases and putting together parts list #3.
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Barone 230 motor is being a pain. Malossi cases are missing everything and the thread chasing is shit!

Why I don't know, but I pressure tested the motor and found an air leak at the reed block. No sealer on anything. Waiting for the owners approval to goop everything!
In my experience with those Malossi reed blocks they all leak like screen doors on battle ships unless some honda bond or whatever is used. The design always seemed over complicated to me with way too many gaskets and parts for a simple reed block.
I always had success applying a thin layer of goop, letting it set up for half an hour then slap it all together.
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For Greasy...

Took the Scarabeo apart again to replace the accelerator pump plunger with the correct part, fine-tune the throttle position where the pump actuates, re-tune the mixture to the 38 pilot and fit a check valve the fuel tank evap line so it stops stinking of gas fumes when I come to a stop.

Seems the Chinese made Italian scooter likes parts for a Taiwanese scooter. Runs much better in the lower rev range and I got most of the lethargy out of roll-on acceleration.
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^^^
The Lords work.

Today was cables and frontend boogaloo.
(And some taillight work.)
The grunt work.
The grunt work.
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Pull the cables and remove those top hats.
They'll snug much better without them.

If your bike is like my Poor Man's ET3, the brake cable needs the top hat to seat.
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This is more an observation on the benefit of dry builds. Engine is a PGO 2T that I recently built, and more recently tore down after my buddy blew it up.

While inspecting everything, I noticed some unpleasant wear on the CVT end of the crankshaft. Previously, when swapping the variator, I'd observed aggressive spline wear on the fixed pulley half. I chalked it up to tasking it with delivering 4-6 times the horsepower it'd been designed for and ordered a couple of spares. This time, I found damage to the splines down by the starter gear. I suspected the ramp plate had shifted and started wearing the splines.

The crank and variator are performance parts capable of handling this sort of power, discounting my hypothesis that the fixed pulley was just too soft for the job. I was worried that I'd miscalculated when I fitted a Polini Ruckus/Zoomer variator and that the opening in the ramp plate was bigger than that of a PGO/Dio (spoiler alert, it wasn't).

Since the crank was out, I decided to stack everything up, torque the nut and check everything without a drive belt putting tension on it. I found that there is a tiny amount of slop which allows stuff to shift. Crap.

The plan is to create a small relief in the ramp plate to keep it located against the boss and to find a thicker washer to fit between the retaining nut and the kickstart boss.

I don't want to replace the crank since it's not my scoot (though I paid for the bike and the build, for the experience) and the owner is neither sensitive to the machine nor astute enough to identify a problem until it explodes; he just wants to be the fastest and show off. Since I'm sure it'll be back sooner than later, I think it's good enough for now.

The takeaway is to check everything before committing to the buildup, as the time invested is well worth avoiding buying performance parts again.
Wear from Fixed Pulley.
Wear from Fixed Pulley.
Wear from Ramp Plate.
Wear from Ramp Plate.
The Stack Up.
The Stack Up.
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