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Disappointed I missed the grand finale on CaliJ's "Overprescribed on Ritalin While Scooter Shopping" thread. Thinking of the PilotWings 64 sound for the human cannonball game as mods bailed out of that one.

Can't help snickering about the idea that some lazy techbros are gonna scrape that to train their AIs.

Greasy has A Beautiful Mind.

Had some dope quesabirria for lunch while hanging out with my fellow scooter dorks. Will patronize that establishment again.

Used my inspection cam to win a bet. HPE CVT was fine. Should've specified the quality of ham, though.

I gotta say it was a good day.
I missed it too. At least I know what to cook for you when you're out this way! My wife loves it by the bowl. Says it's better than her grandmother's. 😋
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Celebrating the Orthodox Easter. Roasting homemade traditional Kokoretsi…

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Should've specified the quality of ham, though.
Always… or you end up deviled.

You guys are making me hungry!
Sunday plans are to search out some barbacoa tacos and if the weather clears paints some rims and finish the eT3 headset finally.
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Got the new motor for the mint green Stella going this morning. Lotta motor building going on in my workshop this week. More spark issues, but nothing a random P200 flywheel couldn't fix.

I had a little quality control issue, but nothing that will surprise anyone.

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Got the new motor for the mint green Stella going this morning. Lotta motor building going on in my workshop this week. More spark issues, but nothing a random P200 flywheel couldn't fix.

I had a little quality control issue, but nothing that will surprise anyone.

Thanks Chandler, you just made my day! That exhaust refused to comply. You always have the best videos!
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Thanks Chandler, you just made my day! That exhaust refused to comply. You always have the best videos!
Me and exhausts falling off go way back. Razz emoticon
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Celebrating the Orthodox Easter. Roasting homemade traditional Kokoretsi…
Ditto
Ditto
AND lamb too, but the kokoretsi is my favorite
AND lamb too, but the kokoretsi is my favorite
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Me and exhausts falling off go way back. Razz emoticon
After reviewing your video again, I'm keen on the KTM style gloves your wearing. Got my first KTM so I'm noticing stuff!
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After reviewing your video again, I'm keen on the KTM style gloves your wearing. Got my first KTM so I'm noticing stuff!
Which gloves are those? I'm just wearing Nitrile gloves in today's video.
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Which gloves are those? I'm just wearing Nitrile gloves in today's video.
Orange gloves of course!
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After reviewing your video again, I'm keen on the KTM style gloves your wearing.
I said the exact same thing to myself
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Firm believer now in, once you go orange, you never go back!
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Reminds me of Chitlins. Good old Southern food.
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So today...I managed to set a motor on fire. again. Not for long, and no damage done, but...yeah...again...

I was welding a bracket onto my pipe stand to hold the fuel tank. In the past, I had just tied it on with zip ties or a strap or whatever was handy, but that wasn't working, so I decided to fix it properly. Without removing the motor that was in the stand.

Soo...spark...gasoline on the outside of the motor...small fire. It just burned off the cases, but the CDI looked a lot the worse for wear. Cleaned it up, though, and no harm done.

Then, immediately after my victorious First Start Video, the kickstart on the new Stella motor decided to quit kicking. Just clicking and the kickstart gear quit engaging, so I tore into the motor to see what was up and...wow.

I didn't do the initial build. I bought it off a friend about 80% complete and knowing it was a bitsa motor ("some bitsa this motor, some bitsa that motor"). I split the cases found a broken tooth on the kickstart gear. Oof.

Then, I noticed some clutch cork stuck to the inside of the case, so I took a look over there and the clutch circlip had popped loose, which meant I got to pull the clutch and reassesmble it. Luckily, no damage to the parts, so just time and effort there.

The next time someone says, "My bike quite working and just makes a bunch of noise when I try to kick it over," ask them if it sounds like this:

What's most amazing to me is that two extremely rare failures decided to happen literally at the exact same time (fixing the clutch by itself didn't fix the kickstart). They have to be related, but wow. What're the odds? (In my case, I'm pretty sure they're 10x whatever they are for the rest of the univierse)

I fit the cases with a new kickstart gear (yay, dragon parts hoard!) to test and it's still slipping. Looked more closely at the primary and the kickstart teeth on it were clapped out, too. Luckily, I had a spare Stella primary in the pile. Actually, still in a set of cracked Stella cases, but close enough.

Remove the old primary, which was missing a needle bearing, and then install the new primary. Button it back up and I'm in business. Finished the reassembly and it's time for a test start.

So a build, a fire, and a complete unplanned rebuild, but I'm pretty much back on track to get the green Stella ready to roll again.

And you'd think I'd have noticed when I cut myself enough to have blood running down my leg, but nope...had no idea until I saw it in the video.
Kentucky kickstart gear
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Things you never want to see
Things you never want to see
Smoked, but still working fine
Smoked, but still working fine
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I see you trying to downplay the fire.
*Points 2 fingers at eyes/Then in the general direction of Tennessee *

May have to call for a vote on the explosion clock.
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May have to call for a vote on the explosion clock.

I vote for resetting the clock
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I second restarting the clock. Fire, explosion, is there really a difference?
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Looking at the spec's, the Quattrini really doesn't put out more power or torque than the Mugella and pretty much demands a tuned pipe rather than a box
14hp VS 24hp, they are not playing in the same league.

I had a Li3 125 with a Quattrini engine, Keihin PWK 28 carb and Sip clubman with Andy Francis silencer, it was a real beast !
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14hp VS 24hp, they are not playing in the same league.

I had a Li3 125 with a Quattrini engine, Keihin PWK 28 carb and Sip clubman with Andy Francis silencer, it was a real beast !
Hmm....interesting...any more details on the Mugella's setup?

I haven't pulled the trigger on the parts order yet, but was planning on doing it this week, so now is the time for me to sort this out.

I rode a clubmate's Mugella after we finished the resbuild a week ago with a PHBH 30 and the SIP clubman. It's definitely in the 22-24 HP range.

I saw where the Mugella was re-worked to improve performance in the past couple years.

How long ago did you do your comparison?
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You know what I love about you most Chandler? You always share the good AND the bad! As long as you don't get hurt (minor flesh wound doesn't count) and or burn the house down, I'm all in with you. On the fence about the clock reset cause the cdi still works!🤣 Keep at it.
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You know what I love about you most Chandler? You always share the good AND the bad! As long as you don't get hurt (minor flesh wound doesn't count) and or burn the house down, I'm all in with you. On the fence about the clock reset cause the cdi still works!🤣 Keep at it.
Oh, trust me...I share when I get hurt, too... Ride safe, everyone (gruesome pic warning). 🤣

I think it's important to show the bad with the good for a few reasons:

First, so people can learn vicariously from my mistakes (to quote a former co-worker, "There's a dead body under every page of the railroad safety manual");

Second, so people who might be struggling or questioning if they'll ever "get there" with their projects can see that these projects inevitably involve setbacks, so they should keep the faith;

Third, so people will realize that just because it seems low risk ("Imma just weld this bracket on my engine stand real quick...") doesn't mean it *is* low risk.

And Fourth, because it's funny when people do stupid things and get hurt. Sorry (not sorry), but it is. Razz emoticon
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May have to call for a vote on the explosion clock.
oopsclunkthud wrote:
I vote for resetting the clock
Agreed. I've reset the explosion clock for chandlerman.
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Hmm....interesting...any more details on the Mugella's setup?

I haven't pulled the trigger on the parts order yet, but was planning on doing it this week, so now is the time for me to sort this out.

I rode a clubmate's Mugella after we finished the resbuild a week ago with a PHBH 30 and the SIP clubman. It's definitely in the 22-24 HP range.

I saw where the Mugella was re-worked to improve performance in the past couple years.

How long ago did you do your comparison?
I have never ridden a Mugello engine, but if you are speaking about the 198cc version, it's given for 16hp but I rarely saw those figures on dyno graphs you can find online, unless you modify the port timings, add reed valve …

I may be wrong, but P&P it's not comparable
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Agreed. I've reset the explosion clock for chandlerman.
*giggles*
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I have never ridden a Mugello engine, but if you are speaking about the 198cc version, it's given for 16hp but I rarely saw those figures on dyno graphs you can find online, unless you modify the port timings, add reed valve …

I may be wrong, but P&P it's not comparable
Good point.

Now that I think about what's involved to do the reed, I'm thinking the Quattrini Razz emoticon

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You know what I love about you most Chandler? You always share the good AND the bad! As long as you don't get hurt (minor flesh wound doesn't count) and or burn the house down, I'm all in with you. On the fence about the clock reset cause the cdi still works!🤣 Keep at it.
^^^ Exactly this. And you don't sit on your hands and moan (like I have done in the past). I have learned so much from you over the years. Good man. Side question - you do have a fire extinguisher handy, right? Just askin'.... Razz emoticon
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*giggles*
While it's not quite at his "go big or go home" standard, I'd been watching the days roll by and the statistical likelihood of the counter achieving a big number grow ever smaller. You could feel it comin' in the air.

For Chandler, avoiding an explosion isn't a Herculean task, it's a Sisyphean task. And I salute him for getting right back behind that boulder.
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^^^ Exactly this. And you don't sit on your hands and moan (like I have done in the past). I have learned so much from you over the years. Good man. Side question - you do have a fire extinguisher handy, right? Just askin'.... Razz emoticon
He does, but...
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^^^ Exactly this. And you don't sit on your hands and moan (like I have done in the past). I have learned so much from you over the years. Good man. Side question - you do have a fire extinguisher handy, right? Just askin'.... Razz emoticon
I do, but it'd have to be a pretty damn big fire before I'd douse the whole place in dry chemical. That stuff is a nightmare to clean up and kills all the electronics it comes in contact with.
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or Chandler, avoiding an explosion isn't a Herculean task, it's a Sisyphean task. And I salute him for getting right back behind that boulder.
While I generally don't exactly repeat my explosive mistakes, some of them might be variations on a theme. I've also accepted that I'm never going to quit innovating in the field, either.
az_slynch wrote:
He does, but...
How'd you sneak a camera into my workshop? ROFL emoticon

(And I *LOVE* me some IT Crowd)
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If you go down that road don't hesitate to contact me, it will be a pleasure to share my experience
Thanks! I'll probably do a little mini-build thread since most of what I'll be doing will be pretty much the same things I'd do for a Vespa--port timing, pressure testing, jetting, etc. I'm looking forward to the build and getting familiar with another family of motors.
Maybe something like this?
Maybe something like this?
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That show was so good! Might have to watch the series again.....
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Reminds me of Chitlins. Good old Southern food.
Nice! Learnt something new. We have something similar, again a traditional Easter dish, called Magiritsa...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magiritsa
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He does, but...
I hope he called 0118 999 881 999 119 725 3 ROFL emoticon ROFL emoticon ROFL emoticon
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On the East Coast for a vendor conference this week.

This place is friggin ridiculous.
The main hotel.
The main hotel.
Waterfall in the lobby.
Waterfall in the lobby.
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Good point.

Now that I think about what's involved to do the reed, I'm thinking the Quattrini Razz emoticon

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Finally cracked the code on this. Uses the same big end bearing as a Honda PCX/SH150i.
Bonus data, in case a 4T Stella with a bad crank ever darkens your doorstep.

Rod bearing is a match. Taiwanese quality shows, clearly more f**ks were included in the manufacturing process.

PCX-150 conrod would work in a pinch. Rod length is .4mm shorter, but the rest of the dimensions work and while you'd lose a pinch of compression, a dash of displacement and add 10 grams of mass (135gr vs 125gr stock), its heat treated and likely to last longer.

The crank pin is not suitable for substitution. Aside from oil gallery location, the pin is at least 5mm shorter.
LML rod on left, Taiwanese PCX rod on right.
LML rod on left, Taiwanese PCX rod on right.
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And... small piece of the scooter puzzle is ciphered and recorded.
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Those guinea fowl make great watch dogs! Loud as f when they get alarmed.
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Those guinea fowl make great watch dogs! Loud as f when they get alarmed.
Peacocks are much the same. They screech load enough to wake the dead.

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