Yeesh!
Hope it cleans up decently. Seriously, why do folks use scooter parts in their gardening projects?
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chocolate92 wrote: Last weekend I opened the engine of my new project, a Serveta 150 Special … seems to have spent some time in a swamp |
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I managed to remove every internals with more or less ease, but the piston is welded in the cylinder … I need to buy a torch. Last option will be the angle grinder !
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Rust removal and sheet metal work can be a long detour, but I think I've turned the corner, 50 miles of welding wire later.
For my next project, I am going to sculpt an entire Vespa out of welding wire one tack weld at a time.
Replaced metal under sliding door track.
Fitting up inner rocker sections.
Inner rocker channel, C-pillar
More careful fitting of stuff no one ever sees.
Also welded in an O2 sensor bung for an AFR gauge that's been on the shelf for 10 years.
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As is often the case for me, I went out to the workshop to have a look at fixing the Lammy's speedo sensor and wound up doing some jetting work on the VBB and GL.
The Lammy wasn't a complete failure. I remounted the sensor and was waiting for the glue to dry when I picked up some jetting changes on the VBB and GL. They were both way too rich (I hadn't finished setting up either), so I walked them both down a little and I'm finished with the VBB for now. The GL woke up a lot with a leaner main, but it's not done yet. It still wound out to 75 MPH on the highway with more to go when I caught up with traffic, so that's positive. And I tore into the Lammy motor a little bit more. That clutch was thrashed before whatever Bad Thing happened to it. Burned steels, hammered spider, pretty much the gamut of things you don't want to see in your clutch. |
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I scooted over to the supermarket for a few bits last night. On the way, somehow, I managed to forget to use the clutch when changing from first to second. Primmy didn't particularly complain at the time, but she got her revenge later.
Arriving home, I thought she was in neutral, let the clutch out and she flipped her front end in the air. No damage to the bike, but it pulled my left bicep! Ouch! |
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Glad to hear the bike is okay. You'll heal.
In all seriousness, though, getting in the habit of making sure you're in neutral by testing with the clutch when stopping before you just let it out is a really good habit to be in. |
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chandlerman wrote: Glad to hear the bike is okay. You'll heal. In all seriousness, though, getting in the habit of making sure you're in neutral by testing with the clutch when stopping before you just let it out is a really good habit to be in. |
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Swapped my slide in Bluey. A #7 slide was recommended by Jack and I ordered it months ago. Been way too cold out there so it sat. Went quickly and I was surprised to see a #15 come out of my carb. Dunno anything about slides though so I don't even know if I should have a thought about that at all. Lol
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Very stoked this morning. And it's all about a glovebox.
I know gloveboxes can be point on contention on NSM scoots (sign of a bodge) or a point of pride (Bajaj has a huge trunk for junk). The '83-'87 Riva 80 that was delivered to the US market...frankly, it's crap. The overly complicated startup system, the weak electricals and the nerfed engine were shared with all customers, but Stateside, we got ugly turn/tail lighting and worthless storage to really dial up the suck. There is a plastic slot that attaches to the inner legshield. It is hinged from the top inexplicably; I would hazard that feature was included to aid in cleaning debris out of the slot and to allow access to the VIN cover, which is located behind the slot. It's stupid and brittle, but it's the only included storage on the scoot unless you count the rear rack. There was a glovebox offered for the rest of the world. It's not huge like a Bajaj, but it's a vast improvement over the stupid slot. I finally found a NOS glovebox. Wrong color, but beggars can't be choosers. Arrived this morning from Caracas, Venezuela. That was one of the two big broken pieces on the scoot's bodywork and now I have replacements for both. Woohoo! Maybe lightning will strike twice and I can find a set of the good looking blinkers and a non-US taillight...
Dumb and broken storage slot on broken inner legshield.
The new-old-stock hotness.
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Spent the day helping my buddy clean out his shed for his new tenant. It was surprisingly nostalgic ( we played a lot of "Remember this damn <widget>? ) and annoying, as we found parts for projects that were thought to be forever lost. Plenty of new stock parts that had been replaced as well. That's some bollocks there!
There was much more crap than we bargained for. We took four loads of tools and parts to his new house; the fifth load is going to the dump tomorrow (it's truly trash stuff). Here are some highlights:
Carlos, remember this thing? A Simonini pipe that departed a scoot at speed and somehow wound up in the shed. John swears it was yours.
Special "shorty" Hot Wing can that Paulo made made for Bald John, because he snapped off the normal ones when trying to wheelie his Stella.
My sketchy old '71 Ciao. It's the bare-bones, no suspension, bike-caliper front brake, 30kph model. It's just as haggard as I remember it. Tank smells *lovely*, but isn't rusty.
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az_slynch wrote: Spent the day helping my buddy clean out his shed for his new tenant. It was surprisingly nostalgic ( we played a lot of "Remember this damn <widget>? ) and annoying, as we found parts for projects that were thought to be forever lost. Plenty of new stock parts that had been replaced as well. That's some bollocks there! There was much more crap than we bargained for. We took four loads of tools and parts to his new house; the fifth load is going to the dump tomorrow (it's truly trash stuff). Here are some highlights: My T5 has a 226 pipe on it. One of the rules for myself is no wheelies on it, for that exact same reason that i don't grind down the end can. |
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The LML that I posted last year, running on angry kittens, is finally here for a full overhaul. Apart from the crap on the cases, it's not too bad after covering 62k Kms. Amazingly, it's even on its stock clutch plates. Owner is a really calm guy and rides it daily commuting to work and around town...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdgVcz9oRmI
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Definitely looks used, but with the mileage considered, clearly not abused.
Stock refresh, or are they opting for a bit more spice? |
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Stock refresh, only problem is the no oversize piston availability, so we'll probably go for a new LML kit since it's cheap at 114€...
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That's pretty impressive for the mileage.
Meanwhile, I got sick of messing with the SIP speedo and did a quick GPS Speedo retrofit before we rode on Saturday. Only 66 miles on the new clock, but I knew how fast I was going the whole time for a change.
It may not be real pretty, but it works great
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The gauges in the picture reminded me - I wanted to ask you chandlerman if you use an adaptor for the AFR sensor with your setup?
https://kosonorthamerica.com/product/o2-sensor-adaptor-for-2-stroke-engines/ |
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Ginch wrote: The gauges in the picture reminded me - I wanted to ask you chandlerman if you use an adaptor for the AFR sensor with your setup? https://kosonorthamerica.com/product/o2-sensor-adaptor-for-2-stroke-engines/ |
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chandlerman wrote: Yep. It seems to be reasonably accurate and has held up indefinitely. |
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chandlerman wrote: That's pretty impressive for the mileage. Meanwhile, I got sick of messing with the SIP speedo and did a quick GPS Speedo retrofit before we rode on Saturday. Only 66 miles on the new clock, but I knew how fast I was going the whole time for a change. |
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whodatschrome wrote: i'm betting it's 10x more accurate and 11x more reliable than a SIP speedo. That could be entirely true and you still wouldn't be saying much. |
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chandlerman wrote: That's pretty impressive for the mileage. Meanwhile, I got sick of messing with the SIP speedo and did a quick GPS Speedo retrofit before we rode on Saturday. Only 66 miles on the new clock, but I knew how fast I was going the whole time for a change. |
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orwell84 wrote: Always good to do a temporary installation to make sure it all works before making it pretty. Except a lot of temporary stuff ends up permanent. |
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WFH day, so I decided to use my lunch break for good. I'd bought a pair of discounted Vespa LX tumblers from ScooterPartsCo; Geo had received some incomplete sets (master key only, no slaves) so he was offering a decent deal for them. The plan was to gut one of the new tumblers and set it up to accept the original keys.
Seeing how the LXV was running and still reading the two blue keys, I figured I'd save myself some time and money on replacing both lock tumblers, sending the throttle body/ECU off to be re-virginized (that's a thing) and then having to make one or more blue keys up. The project was a bit fiddler than expected. The retaining clip was bound due to someone peening the lip of the clip slot over on it. When I finally pulled the lock out, the seal between the lock tumbler and the lock body was inflexible, making separation of the two parts tricky. Removing the tumbler required care, as the lock wafers weren't constrained by the retaining bar (it was destroyed by the thieves and I had to extricate it as part of freeing up the tumbler). Once I had the old lock broken down, I documented the seven usable wafers. The other two were chewed and screwed by the drilling attempt, so I figured I'd borrow some wafers from the donor lock to fix that. Reassembly went as smoothly as it can when a crapload of tiny springs are involved. I used the old lock body backwards to improvise a follower tool and installed the seven known wafers and their springs. Fortunately, the sacrificial lock had two suitable wafers to complete the tumbler. Biggest pain was refitting the key slot shutter and the lock cap. Surgery was a success. Both keys now will lock the steering, unlock it, power up the scoot and clear the ECU immobilizer check. Now I can put the bodywork back on, do the deferred maintenance, try popping the cowl dents and clean the thing up.
The problem.
Extricating the lock.
Pulled the wafers and laid them out in order.
Checking the wafer position with the key inserted. This might just work...
The lock shutter bit is a right PITA.
Achievement Locked! And Unlocked! And Started!
w00t!
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Well I needed a better rack to carry my spare gas can for my upcoming Baja trip. The factory rack had a weird bend to it that made strapping the tank a PITA. My bender did another nice job on the tubing. Next time I'm only going to tig the hoop joint and mig the rest. This 1/2 tubing likes to pull when not in a jig. It was good practice before building some cool Vespa racks. I'll be getting the round tubing dies after scrounging up some extra loot.
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Razzafrazzin' failed tub seal. Crud blocked the drains in the bearing housing. Got the rear bearing out with heat and a 4lb masonry hammer. The front bearing just exploded it's guts all over the tub when I tried to tap it out. Taking it to the machinist to run a bead on the outer bearing race in the AM.
It's 25 years old (not-so-modern appliance), and this is the second bearing replacement. Otherwise, I've replaced the drain pump twice, the belt once, the wax motor for the door lock once and replaced a resistor on the control board.
Disassembling it to pull the wash drum.
Drive pulley is very dirty.
Rear bearing was bad
Front bearing was smoked.
Took the spinny bit and it's housing to the pay 'n spray.
Now I gotta clean the mud out of the bottom 🤢
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Olde Rider wrote: Wow! What brand of machine, please? If you get a service quote for the bearings, it's about $1200. The bearing and seal kit is about $70. Worth my time to fix it. ⚠️ Last edited by az_slynch on UTC; edited 1 time
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Ginch wrote: Nice work Rob!! What does that fit on to? |
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BajaRob wrote: Thanks! It fits on my Harley Dyna. It's more useful flat instead of bent up. Don't know why Harley did that. |
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While waiting for the parts, I cleaned up the cases. Lots of kerosene, oven degreaser, my trusty power washer and a change of clothes...
The before... ![]() Some of the crap... ![]() ![]() The after... ![]()
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az_slynch wrote: Razzafrazzin' failed tub seal. Crud blocked the drains in the bearing housing. Got the rear bearing out with heat and a 4lb masonry hammer. The front bearing just exploded it's guts all over the tub when I tried to tap it out. Taking it to the machinist to run a bead on the outer bearing race in the AM. It's 25 years old (not-so-modern appliance), and this is the second bearing replacement. Otherwise, I've replaced the drain pump twice, the belt once, the wax motor for the door lock once and replaced a resistor on the control board.
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