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It's right. ...... at least I'm getting it sorted. .... miss a good ride
keep the spirit Brother Jim, i know how it feel to have a good ride.. As today i force my smallie to run despite it have some problems, yes i put a new homemade muffler again
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Welp....my second BGM 177 ate itself tonight after about a month. CHT was 280f, I was doing 8,500 RPM's in third gear after accelerating hard from a light, was about to shift to 4th when it cut out.

I pushed it home and pulled the head off. The barrel is trashed above the exhaust port.

What are people liking for a torque-y, cast iron 177 these days?
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Welp....my second BGM 177 ate itself tonight after about a month.
Oh no!! I'll bet some words were said! I feel bad for you Chandlerman, a month is at least 3 years too soon...


Just looking at the photo again, is it worth cleaning it up with some acid? Hard to see any gouges in there, it looks like it's mostly smeared piston. But you'd have a little bit better view from where you stand.
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Welp....my second BGM 177 ate itself tonight after about a month. CHT was 280f, I was doing 8,500 RPM's in third gear after accelerating hard from a light, was about to shift to 4th when it cut out.

I pushed it home and pulled the head off. The barrel is trashed above the exhaust port.

What are people liking for a torque-y, cast iron 177 these days?
can those barrel be bore up? Sorry to hear about ur new kit mate
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Fercrissakes. That kit's not even broken in yet.

What's the piston-to-bore measurement?

If you're looking for a torque-y 177 cast iron kit, I've got two words for you: Po Lini
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Agree on the cast iron Polini, if you mess up - clean up the piston, hone & fresh rings if you got off it in time and didn't chew it up. If you did, a new piston & an oversize bore will cost less than a new kit.

Today I decided just to get a halogen bulb and not go for one of these because it's probably more than I have in the damn bike. Plus it needs a battery, don't got that.
VERY cool and great lighting, but it's a little north of $750 Wha? emoticon
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Finally got the tool box installed on VNB. Wished I had help, probably like you and your shock. It means reaching inside the toolbox while also reaching up in the frame by the tire or down the hole under the gas tank at the same time and trying to keep little 7mm socket & box end wrench on & straight. Then endlessly tightening and keeping the damn rubber strip on the tool box edge all around.

Just getting all the screws, washers & nuts in place is cramp inducing and you can't see what you're doing. Mostly laying on the floor or on my knees, there's no 'good' position. Next time I'll wait for help. My left hip DOES feel bruised inside, but my shoulder is merely sore as hell and thankfully my knees are not bad. Getting old is not for wussies.
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After all that rolling about on the floor yesterday to no avail I'm feeling it today ...... my hip n shoulder feel bruised inside 😡
my thumb is worn fot rubbing my pipe so we do share the agony but it all worth it as we can feel alive
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Fercrissakes. That kit's not even broken in yet.

What's the piston-to-bore measurement?

If you're looking for a torque-y 177 cast iron kit, I've got two words for you: Po Lini
Yeah, the Polini is already ordered. Back to cast iron and everyone I've known who had one swore by it for pulling like a tractor and being basically indestructible.

Once that's back stable again, I may even swap the Malossi on the VBB back to one of my pimped out DR's just because I like the wide power band.
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That's a cool little scoot
thanks Broter Jim, but urs is way to cool 8)
Have a nice day in The Yorks and cheer
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Agree on the cast iron Polini, if you mess up - clean up the piston, hone & fresh rings if you got off it in time and didn't chew it up. If you did, a new piston & an oversize bore will cost less than a new kit.

Today I decided just to get a halogen bulb and not go for one of these because it's probably more than I have in the damn bike. Plus it needs a battery, don't got that.
VERY cool and great lighting, but it's a little north of $750 Wha? emoticon
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why dont u try to build it from a home led lamp Brother T, i think it will just need a dioda mods.. I want one too but i am still looking for a magnifice glass to boost the light
Good luck with the lamp and cheer Brother T
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Fercrissakes. That kit's not even broken in yet.

What's the piston-to-bore measurement?

If you're looking for a torque-y 177 cast iron kit, I've got two words for you: Po Lini
Yeah, the Polini is already ordered. Back to cast iron and everyone I've known who had one swore by it for pulling like a tractor and being basically indestructible.

Once that's back stable again, I may even swap the Malossi on the VBB back to one of my pimped out DR's just because I like the wide power band.
does that mean u cannot bore up the barrel?
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Welp....my second BGM 177 ate itself tonight after about a month.
Oh no!! I'll bet some words were said! I feel bad for you Chandlerman, a month is at least 3 years too soon...


Just looking at the photo again, is it worth cleaning it up with some acid? Hard to see any gouges in there, it looks like it's mostly smeared piston. But you'd have a little bit better view from where you stand.
So sad. I think you got away with it. Piston colour says it was weak. Looks ok to me too. That will clean up and live again.
Maybe a new piston ring and a full re-jet from zero. Atomiser is probably too small. The CHT is too slow for acceleration. Keep the new iron barrel on the shelf for now.
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So sad. I think you got away with it. Piston colour says it was weak. Looks ok to me too. That will clean up and live again.
Maybe a new piston ring and a full re-jet from zero. Atomiser is probably too small. The CHT is too slow for acceleration. Keep the new iron barrel on the shelf for now.
I'll have a go at it with some acid and see how it cleans up. I have an exhaust bung. Maybe it's time to pick up an EGT to go with the CHT.
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Just looking at the photo again, is it worth looking at cleaning it up with some acid? Hard to see any gouges in there, it looks like it's mostly smeared piston. But you'd have a little bit better view from where you stand.
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Just looking at it, is it worth some acid? Just acid. Just looking at cleaning it up but it's like little bit better view of a gouge smeared piston on acid
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Just get the Polini & carry sandpaper plus a pick everywhere & all will be good.
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Polini arrived this evening. Didn't have a chance to do more than pull it out of the box, say "yep, that's a Polini kit," and go from there.

We'll see how it does and I'll see if the BGM can be saved, in which case the Polini can go on the VBB and that should be a really fun little bike.

The 6mm base spacer from SIP is ported larger than the jug, but probably pretty close to what I have with the BGM, so I'll have to get that matched up or fill things in with JBWeld. More likely, a little of both: the Polini will get matched up to the new packer, then I'll fill in any voids in the cases to match.

That should keep me out of trouble over the weekend.
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Well me scoot is ready .... just need to get it now ..... turns out the clutch had exploded but I couldn't get in there as the nut was round .... n the indicator switch had come apart

It's weird not repairing my own vespa😦😦
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Got me scoot back 😀 he forgot to take tank out n unkink the fuel pipe ..... so that sorted n a bloody good clean it's ready to go ....... found out the kickstart is a px one 😡 the last one was powder coated black so we just thought it was a t5 .... never looked closely at it .... n they're shaped different too 😂 this one's shiney n annoying

Any tips on how to clean rubber grips .... mine are supposed to be light grey but came back black 😯 I've scrubbed n washed with brake cleaner but that stuff eats rubber ..... theyre mid grey at the moment but wouldn't mind a bit cleaner
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Is it grease on the grips? I use caustic soda to degrease and it works pretty well. Gloves and glasses though, it's pretty nasty stuff.
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Or maybe you could use this... it'll cure all your ills!

My son bought this for me as a late birthday present. I don't know how I've survived without it until now...
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In 1944, Piaggio engineers Renzo Spolti and Vittorio Casini designed a motorcycle with bodywork fully enclosing the drivetrain and forming a tall splash guard at the front. In addition to the bodywork, the design included handlebar-mounted controls, forced air cooling, wheels of small diameter, and a tall central section that had to be straddled. Officially known as the MP5 ("Moto Piaggio no. 5"), the prototype was nicknamed "Paperino" (either "duckling" or "Donald Duck" in Italian). Piaggio was displeased with the MP5, especially the tall central section. He contracted aeronautical engineer Corradino D'Ascanio, to redesign the scooter. D'Ascanio, who had earlier been consulted by Ferdinando Innocenti about scooter design and manufacture, made it immediately known that he hated motorcycles, believing them to be bulky, dirty, and unreliable.

D'Ascanio's MP6 prototype had its engine mounted beside the rear wheel. The wheel was driven directly from the transmission, eliminating the drive chain and the oil and dirt associated with it. The prototype had a unit spar frame with stress-bearing steel outer panels. These changes allowed the MP6 to have a step-through design without a centre section like that of the MP5 Paperino. The MP6 design also included a single sided front suspension, interchangeable front and rear wheels mounted on stub axles, and a spare wheel. Other features of the MP6 were similar to those on the Paperino, including the handlebar-mounted controls and the enclosed bodywork with the tall front splash guard.

Upon seeing the MP6 for the first time, Enrico Piaggio exclaimed: "Sembra una vespa!" ("It resembles a wasp!") Piaggio effectively named his new scooter on the spot.
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In April 1946, this amazing new, functional and innovative mode of transport was presented to the general public for the first time in a Golf Club in Rome. The shield was embossed with a new logo which replaced the previous Piaggio Aircraft emblem. Vespa was an immediate success and gained extensive media interest as well as public curiosity, surprise and even skepticism. The first sales of Vespa were managed through a small dealer network and the price of the standard model was 55,000 lire, while the deluxe version was sold for 66,000 lire.

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Or maybe you could use this... it'll cure all your ills!

My son bought this for me as a late birthday present. I don't know how I've survived without it until now...
This is terrible news... looks like this is genetic.
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Finally got a new lid. Been using the same one for 10 years, which is about 5 years too long . Popped for a Shoei, with pin-lock visor to hopefully end all fogging issues in the winter months. Hope it was worth it, it's not so cheap but then again what can you do without your head???
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Finally got a new lid. Been using the same one for 10 years, which is about 5 years too long . Popped for a Shoei, with pin-lock visor to hopefully end all fogging issues in the winter months. Hope it was worth it, it's not so cheap but then again what can you do without your head???
I bought a pin lock inner visor a couple years ago and it made a huge difference with visor fogging, especially in the winter months.

Not that you Southern California peeps have these problems, but I used to have serious issues with fog turning to frost on the inside of the visor during the serious winter months.

Yesterday was boat work day, but today will be tuning the carb on the Stella for the Polini, and ordering a new speedo cable for the VBB. The last time I tried to deal with this, the threaded stub on the re-pop speedo that's in it was too small for a standard VBB cable, but I need to go back and re-measure for sure. Maybe I ordered a 2.7 and needed a 1.9. I just can't remember. Instead, I've been riding around with no speedo and just keeping up with traffic.
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Not today but yeserday as i have the wifi now so i share.. Help a friends work on their vespa, the blue one is Alif and we change his piston ring and push hin to clean his engine so Brother Vader will happy up there knowing i spreas hia wisdom about its better to work when its clean Razz emoticon the green one is a neighbour sprint that we open half and change the kickstart gear.. I know its not a proper garage but its better then nothing as long we have the tools and a strong mits Laughing emoticon
Have a nice day to you all and cheer
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koenig blues wrote:
Not today but yeserday as i have the wifi now so i share.. Help a friends work on their vespa, the blue one is Alif and we change his piston ring and push hin to clean his engine so Brother Vader will happy up there knowing i spreas hia wisdom about its better to work when its clean Razz emoticon the green one is a neighbour sprint that we open half and change the kickstart gear.. I know its not a proper garage but its better then nothing as long we have the tools and a strong mits Laughing emoticon
Have a nice day to you all and cheer
I really enjoy reading your stories, Always interesting, Keep them coming !
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I know its not a proper garage
Looks like it's not raining.... BEST garage ever! Keep up the good work doing the best you can with what you got, Mr Indo Vespa .
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The garage is wherever you find it. This was my garage for a few years before I moved into my current place. I had cement, but had to sweep away pine needles before any job.

I even had to bring my own cat.
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Ordered a new Piston for the BGM (looks like it's just smeared aluminum on closer inspection) along with a couple of shorter base gaskets this morning. I want to up the port timing a few degrees.

I also ordered both a 1.9 and 2.7mm speedo cables for the VBB because I figure one of them will fit and the cost of the cable is the same as the cost of shipping if I ordered the wrong one.

Sunday, I spent time getting the Polini dialed in on the Stella. I'm still on the stock needle (Pinasco N68E, but that needs to change, as it's too lean at 1/4 throttle) and doesn't return cleanly to idle.

But the power is good, temps have yet to break 280, Air:Fuel meter looks good other than the 1/4 throttle, so I figure it will get me through Slaughterhouse if nothing else.

I just got back in town from celebrating my anniversary (19 years. Yay, us!), so tomorrow afternoon or this weekend, I'll be able to finish tuning the Stella for Slaughterhouse.
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I now have a working speedo on the VBB. I still don't know what cable would fit the speedo that was in it (my father-in-law put it in before I got the bike), but the one he'd pulled out prior to that is now installed and working.

It's in Kilometers and mayor may not be totally inaccurate, but at least I've got something.

I also finally swapped away from the N68E needle that came in my PWK 34 to a JJH so I could begin tuning the mid-range properly. Naturally, things got hard to shift and it felt like the clutch was dragging about this same time, so I got to spend some time fighting with that.

Pulled the clutch cover off and it looks like the plates on the Superstrong are at least a little bit chewed up. Of course, this happened a week after I ordered a new piston for the BGM from scooter-speed, so now I need to place another order, hopefully not all the way from Germany this time.

Along those same lines, anyone know which is the correct plate set for the superstrong? Is it these?
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Well done on the 19 years Cman.... me n our lass never fid it but we've been together the thick end of 31 years 😮😊

I miss working on me scoots but reading what others do helps a bit ...... keep em coming

Cheerz 😉
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Along those same lines, anyone know which is the correct plate set for the superstrong? Is it these?
You should measure the inside diameter of the clutch basket. BGM started with the 108mm plates/basket and then they silently moved/upgraded to the 110mm...

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